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roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-03 11:02:07
June 03 2007 10:56 GMT
#21
On June 03 2007 19:30 bErAtEd- wrote:


Do you just feel the need to be a fuckin asshole or to put people down who are genuinely trying to do something for the community.



There's no doubt he's contributing, he's just doing a very sloppy job of it. There's some obvious faults to his style of commentating. Given the pace of his improvement, don't expect everyone on TL to be so patient or go the extra mile and sugercoat their criticism.




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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 03 2007 11:03 GMT
#22
I don't NEED you to sugercoat your criticism. I WANT your criticism, as long as it's constructive. Criticism like, "you suck, go kill urself and stop making vods" helps me a lot. I enjoy it when people think I suck and start making their own VODs, because I know that what I do is actually contributing to the community even more... but if you have no constructive criticism or positive feedback, don't type in "l0l j00 5uck n0ewb 5uck ur 0wn d1ck!!!!"
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berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-03 11:09:40
June 03 2007 11:04 GMT
#23
On June 03 2007 19:56 roadrunner_sc wrote:
There's no doubt he's contributing, he's just doing a very sloppy job of it. There's some obvious faults to his style of commentating. Given the pace of his improvement, don't expect everyone on TL to go the extra mile and sugercoat their criticism.


I don't expect people to sugarcoat it, or to not propose ideas. However just because you make a suggestion doesn't mean that you have to be bm about it. For example, Superiorwolf, I don't think you are providing enough insight that really makes us want to listen to yours over klaz . I mean someone could say that and it would get there point across, it would still show their dislike of what he is providing but do it in a way that is respectful.

This isn't about going an extra mile, its about not being a dick for absolutely no reason.

What would even make you want to semi-stick up for what that guy did? Did you not read anything that he said? There was nothing to provoke him to say it, just the fact that he randomly felt like responding like that.

More importantly

On June 03 2007 03:31 Sr18 wrote:
I appreciate the comments on the quality of the commentaries but if this thread is to stay alive for longer than one week, we need to keep the flaming down the a minimum. Thank you.


Now I realize that I flamed that guy back, but honestly I can't figure out why he would post something like that, or why anyone feels the need to do something like that. There is a huge difference between criticism and being a dick.

Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 04 2007 04:38 GMT
#24
Stork vs Anytime from today's proleague match

Stork vs Anytime Part 1/2
Stork vs Anytime Part 2/2

Thanks to everyone who tuned in to the shoutcast today, I had a lot of fun doing it. I'll be casting again on Thursday 18:30 KOR time. The server address is the same and I will try to provide a concurrent ventrilo cast for those with synchronisation problems. The vent server address will be pasted in the sc2.org chat on the day. At the moment we are just experimenting with a public vent server, so I don't know what the capacity of that will be.

thanks.
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
June 04 2007 06:19 GMT
#25
Nice work klaz.

I've updated the commentaries and the live commentary information. I couldn't be there today but I think I might have time on thursday to check your live commentary out. :-)
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
June 04 2007 07:14 GMT
#26
Luxury vs Kal from STX vs OGN proleague match

Luxury vs Kal Part 1/2
Luxury vs Kal Part 2/2

Enjoy!
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 04 2007 07:19 GMT
#27
Man, you're just pumping these out, Klazart! GJ :D
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 04 2007 08:00 GMT
#28
BestGod vs Sea.Leta Part 1
BestGod vs Sea.Leta Part 2
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
June 04 2007 08:32 GMT
#29
to preface, i don't really listen to commentaries that often, but since Klaz was getting a lot of positive feedback i decided to check out his (savior vs stork)

it's hard to find someone who is articulate enough to sound genuinely excited and not have too many bad vocal habits (umm, you know, like, etc), enough vocabulary/style to convey what's going on, AND a good amount of insight to the game to understand and notice things that the audience doesn't

i think it helped a lot that he was a fan of saviors, to know his playstyle and contribute a few things.

a few notes though, savior has gone without spire a few times vs protoss now, the game on nemesis in proleague is the only one i remember recently, i think his "mini slump" if we can even call it that was a result of him altering his style a bit to be more unpredictable. he's in fine form for the rest of the leagues though.

one interesting thing i think savior is capable of is that he does save builds for when they matter. for example, in last year's OSL, he played midas in the group stage on Hitch Hiker but lost in a long classic game where he cleared the neutrals and went normal lurker/ling into defiler hive tech.

later on in the deciding game 3 in the ro16, he used a muta-->guardian build that i believe he had right from the start but purposely didn't use in groups. i mean if others (DJetter being one) can see right away that a guardian build would be effective on HH, wouldn't the zerg proteams?

thus i think that while savior was trying, he wasn't revealing anything new to Bisu in the WWI or even "race wars." we'll see what adjustments savior truly made against Bisu's style when they play in the OSL bracket or the MSL final.

anyway great job and i'll probably listen to a few more. keep them coming!
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
June 04 2007 08:37 GMT
#30
superiorwolf i did listen to one or two of yours, and my advice is this:

--you need to brush up on your tone and vocab and the manner of speaking, for now it's too simplistic and filled with little tics that don't sound smooth. this is really really hard to change, as many people take public speaking courses to make themselves more articulate.

--gain more insight into the game, as some others have pointed out, what you're saying really isn't anything that someone who isn't new to starcraft would want to know. in the OSL the koreans have three guys doing the commentating, and the person providing insight is usually the guy who is a former progamer or coach or whatever. so if you are trying to be both roles, you really have to know something the audience doesn't and put forth that knowledge in a clean, smooth, articulate way.

i'm sure youv'e listened to nony or day's double commentary on the MSL final, that's a really good model to follow.
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-04 11:36:52
June 04 2007 09:20 GMT
#31
The Central Audio Commentary Thread
Vote: Featured Thread.

up keeping them is a pain.. but well worth it for everyone. thanks ~

(klazart owns: http://www.sc2.org/Blogs/tabid/64/Default.aspx)
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
June 04 2007 09:34 GMT
#32
Klaz, great great job on the Stork vs AnyTime video... Very good insights into the game... You sure have a talent for shoutcasting =)
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
June 04 2007 09:47 GMT
#33
sr18, ur commenatary vods are boring. be more like Klaz, but speak slower and less stuttering
SNSD fan
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 04 2007 10:00 GMT
#34
Klax, great job on the Stork vs Anytime game. :D

One little comment though, I don't think Stork's initial rush was as stupid as you said it was, as it did give him the tech lead, while not terribly hampering his economy. By proxying in Anytime's main, he forced Anytime to waste mining time to kill the gate, as well as create a zealot. Meanwhile, Stork doesn't lag too far back in economy because he had more probes mining, plus he put down the cybercore before his proxy gate was destroyed.
However, I think the mistake that cost him the game was that he didn't capitalize on his tech lead by going DT or Reavers, instead he essentially wasted it by 1) showing Anytime that he was probably going to get massed goons with range (Anytimes scouting probe could see the spinning cybercore), and 2) he didn't execute his dragoon attack well at all.
Essentially, his initial rush put him in a good position to win, but his follow-through was less than ideal.
GoOdJo
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States205 Posts
June 04 2007 10:31 GMT
#35
thats what i said in the post game analysis video the me and superiorwolf did
macro ftw
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
June 04 2007 10:55 GMT
#36
Keep it up Klaz.. love the work.
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
June 04 2007 14:02 GMT
#37
i think superior wolf did a good job =)
555, kthxbai
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-05 02:14:29
June 04 2007 14:28 GMT
#38
Hey Guys, i finished my first audio commentary. Give me Harsh feedback please. Thanks.

I just did Nada vs. Bisu on Longinus from WWI

Nada vs. Bisu WWI Longinus Part 1

Nada Vs. Bisu WWI Longinus Part 2

I got another one done today. (these take a long time)

SoO[S.SiR] < Nemesis > n.Die_Chalrenge

Soo vs. Chalrenge Part 1

Soo vs. Chalrenge Part 2

Soo vs. Chalrenge Part 3



Soo vs. Chalrenge Part 4
555, kthxbai
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-04 18:56:04
June 04 2007 18:55 GMT
#39
Updated with the new commentaries from Klaz and Superiorwolf as well as the debuting commentaries by Zalfor. Welcome Zalfor, the more commentators the merrier. :-)
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
June 05 2007 02:14 GMT
#40
updated part 4 of soo vs. chalrenge.
555, kthxbai
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