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On June 03 2007 19:30 bErAtEd- wrote:
Do you just feel the need to be a fuckin asshole or to put people down who are genuinely trying to do something for the community.
There's no doubt he's contributing, he's just doing a very sloppy job of it. There's some obvious faults to his style of commentating. Given the pace of his improvement, don't expect everyone on TL to be so patient or go the extra mile and sugercoat their criticism.
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I don't NEED you to sugercoat your criticism. I WANT your criticism, as long as it's constructive. Criticism like, "you suck, go kill urself and stop making vods" helps me a lot. I enjoy it when people think I suck and start making their own VODs, because I know that what I do is actually contributing to the community even more... but if you have no constructive criticism or positive feedback, don't type in "l0l j00 5uck n0ewb 5uck ur 0wn d1ck!!!!"
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On June 03 2007 19:56 roadrunner_sc wrote:
There's no doubt he's contributing, he's just doing a very sloppy job of it. There's some obvious faults to his style of commentating. Given the pace of his improvement, don't expect everyone on TL to go the extra mile and sugercoat their criticism.
I don't expect people to sugarcoat it, or to not propose ideas. However just because you make a suggestion doesn't mean that you have to be bm about it. For example, Superiorwolf, I don't think you are providing enough insight that really makes us want to listen to yours over klaz . I mean someone could say that and it would get there point across, it would still show their dislike of what he is providing but do it in a way that is respectful.
This isn't about going an extra mile, its about not being a dick for absolutely no reason.
What would even make you want to semi-stick up for what that guy did? Did you not read anything that he said? There was nothing to provoke him to say it, just the fact that he randomly felt like responding like that.
More importantly
On June 03 2007 03:31 Sr18 wrote:
I appreciate the comments on the quality of the commentaries but if this thread is to stay alive for longer than one week, we need to keep the flaming down the a minimum. Thank you.
Now I realize that I flamed that guy back, but honestly I can't figure out why he would post something like that, or why anyone feels the need to do something like that. There is a huge difference between criticism and being a dick.
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Stork vs Anytime from today's proleague match
Stork vs Anytime Part 1/2
Stork vs Anytime Part 2/2
Thanks to everyone who tuned in to the shoutcast today, I had a lot of fun doing it. I'll be casting again on Thursday 18:30 KOR time. The server address is the same and I will try to provide a concurrent ventrilo cast for those with synchronisation problems. The vent server address will be pasted in the sc2.org chat on the day. At the moment we are just experimenting with a public vent server, so I don't know what the capacity of that will be.
thanks.
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Nice work klaz.
I've updated the commentaries and the live commentary information. I couldn't be there today but I think I might have time on thursday to check your live commentary out. :-)
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Man, you're just pumping these out, Klazart! GJ :D
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Braavos36400 Posts
to preface, i don't really listen to commentaries that often, but since Klaz was getting a lot of positive feedback i decided to check out his (savior vs stork)
it's hard to find someone who is articulate enough to sound genuinely excited and not have too many bad vocal habits (umm, you know, like, etc), enough vocabulary/style to convey what's going on, AND a good amount of insight to the game to understand and notice things that the audience doesn't
i think it helped a lot that he was a fan of saviors, to know his playstyle and contribute a few things.
a few notes though, savior has gone without spire a few times vs protoss now, the game on nemesis in proleague is the only one i remember recently, i think his "mini slump" if we can even call it that was a result of him altering his style a bit to be more unpredictable. he's in fine form for the rest of the leagues though.
one interesting thing i think savior is capable of is that he does save builds for when they matter. for example, in last year's OSL, he played midas in the group stage on Hitch Hiker but lost in a long classic game where he cleared the neutrals and went normal lurker/ling into defiler hive tech.
later on in the deciding game 3 in the ro16, he used a muta-->guardian build that i believe he had right from the start but purposely didn't use in groups. i mean if others (DJetter being one) can see right away that a guardian build would be effective on HH, wouldn't the zerg proteams?
thus i think that while savior was trying, he wasn't revealing anything new to Bisu in the WWI or even "race wars." we'll see what adjustments savior truly made against Bisu's style when they play in the OSL bracket or the MSL final.
anyway great job and i'll probably listen to a few more. keep them coming!
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Braavos36400 Posts
superiorwolf i did listen to one or two of yours, and my advice is this:
--you need to brush up on your tone and vocab and the manner of speaking, for now it's too simplistic and filled with little tics that don't sound smooth. this is really really hard to change, as many people take public speaking courses to make themselves more articulate.
--gain more insight into the game, as some others have pointed out, what you're saying really isn't anything that someone who isn't new to starcraft would want to know. in the OSL the koreans have three guys doing the commentating, and the person providing insight is usually the guy who is a former progamer or coach or whatever. so if you are trying to be both roles, you really have to know something the audience doesn't and put forth that knowledge in a clean, smooth, articulate way.
i'm sure youv'e listened to nony or day's double commentary on the MSL final, that's a really good model to follow.
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Klaz, great great job on the Stork vs AnyTime video... Very good insights into the game... You sure have a talent for shoutcasting =)
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sr18, ur commenatary vods are boring. be more like Klaz, but speak slower and less stuttering 
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Klax, great job on the Stork vs Anytime game. :D
One little comment though, I don't think Stork's initial rush was as stupid as you said it was, as it did give him the tech lead, while not terribly hampering his economy. By proxying in Anytime's main, he forced Anytime to waste mining time to kill the gate, as well as create a zealot. Meanwhile, Stork doesn't lag too far back in economy because he had more probes mining, plus he put down the cybercore before his proxy gate was destroyed.
However, I think the mistake that cost him the game was that he didn't capitalize on his tech lead by going DT or Reavers, instead he essentially wasted it by 1) showing Anytime that he was probably going to get massed goons with range (Anytimes scouting probe could see the spinning cybercore), and 2) he didn't execute his dragoon attack well at all.
Essentially, his initial rush put him in a good position to win, but his follow-through was less than ideal.
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thats what i said in the post game analysis video the me and superiorwolf did
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Keep it up Klaz.. love the work.
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i think superior wolf did a good job =)
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Updated with the new commentaries from Klaz and Superiorwolf as well as the debuting commentaries by Zalfor. Welcome Zalfor, the more commentators the merrier. :-)
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updated part 4 of soo vs. chalrenge.
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