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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
August 24 2017 22:39 GMT
#121
As much as I love savior for what he brought to the game (when he actually played to win...), most people will always see the man who killed professional brood war. Afreeca forbid him from streaming so I doubt they'll allow him to compete.
Asian culture is kinda like that, mess up once get fucked for life. Doesn't matter if he was legally punished for what he did or not. I remember when sonic tried to invite him to an SSL and got the sickest shitstorm on the korean message boards...
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
August 24 2017 22:41 GMT
#122
It's not KeSPa that prevents Savior from competing, it's the entire Korean community.
PolarBearFur
Profile Joined April 2017
Finland24 Posts
August 24 2017 23:13 GMT
#123
Why do people still want to let SaviOr compete that bad? He compromised the integrity of the sport, should he be let play again, every time he lost a match people would be joking/wondering if he lost that on purpose, since he's done that before, and that kinda discussion hurts the community.

"Mess up once get fucked for life"?? He didn't "mess up", he knew what he was doing, he got multiple other people involved in match fixing, "get fucked for life" how? He can't play StarCraft, he can do literally anything else but play the one game that he cheated in. StarCraft isn't even as big of a deal anymore as it was during when he played, it's time to move on for him.
MymSlorm
Profile Joined May 2017
Chile187 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 23:26:13
August 24 2017 23:24 GMT
#124
That's what i hate about modern culture, all act like crazy feminists, thinking they are judges and the most righteous persons, who can say and do whatever they want and impose their shitty mentallity and principles over others just by social pressure. i would let Savior play, because legally he has already paid for what he did, and has the rigth to have a second chance in life. Just imagine if people were sentenced for life for every shit they do, most people cheats on others, take advantage of others, or others has done worst shit than what Savior did and have been able to get back to society as a functional menber, because they got allowed to get a second chance, just because a person is publicly known doesn't mean they have to be punished beyond than what they were legally punished
"There will always be a new generation of youth, they will be more beautiful, more vigorous, and they shall inspire greater hope for the future in the hearts of the living"
DrunkenMaster_Terran
Profile Joined August 2017
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 23:35:24
August 24 2017 23:24 GMT
#125
Applications for ASL4, past stats are posted on this website - https://starleague.kr/
DrunkenMaster_Terran
Profile Joined August 2017
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 23:34:03
August 24 2017 23:26 GMT
#126
12 Qualifiers from Seoul, 6 from Daegu, 6 from Busan (Total of 24)
4 Seed players from ASL3 (Flash, Shine, Bisu, SoulKey)
diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
August 24 2017 23:46 GMT
#127
On August 25 2017 08:24 MymSlorm wrote:
That's what i hate about modern culture, all act like crazy feminists ...


You and me both brother, you and me both.... Errbody acting like crazy feminists............
the interesting thing about this quote is that youll only understand whats interesting when youre done reading it. ǝɯıʇ ɹn ƃuıʇsɐʍ n ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 23:54:56
August 24 2017 23:48 GMT
#128
On August 25 2017 08:13 PolarBearFur wrote:

"Mess up once get fucked for life"?? He didn't "mess up", he knew what he was doing, he got multiple other people involved in match fixing, "get fucked for life" how? He can't play StarCraft, he can do literally anything else but play the one game that he cheated in. StarCraft isn't even as big of a deal anymore as it was during when he played, it's time to move on for him.


Yeah he made a mistake, that's what I would call messing up. Do you honestly believe he doesn't regret what he did? And yes he is fucked for life. Choosing to become a progamer pretty much means you don't have a shot at any other career. He is driving limos now and that's pretty much one of the best jobs a pro gamer is gonna get. Besides when he went to the military, he has never stopped playing. He obviously still loves the game. He is fucked for life in the sense that he will never be able to do the one thing he is good at again.

Besides, this is completely off topic and the Korean community will never allow him to compete again anyway.
DrunkenMaster_Terran
Profile Joined August 2017
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 23:59:04
August 24 2017 23:55 GMT
#129
On August 25 2017 08:48 Lorch wrote:
He is fucked for life in the sense that he will never be able to do the one thing he is good at again.


He's doing perfectly fine, actually better than most -VOD So please don't fret over Savior, "the broker behind the match fixing that demolished the BW scene". Also, he was exempt from his military obligations (Bad Knee)




XERX
Profile Joined April 2017
85 Posts
August 24 2017 23:56 GMT
#130
On August 25 2017 08:46 diggurd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 08:24 MymSlorm wrote:
That's what i hate about modern culture, all act like crazy feminists ...


You and me both brother, you and me both.... Errbody acting like crazy feminists............



... why do you want bring up feminists in a brood war forum
XERX
Profile Joined April 2017
85 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 23:58:20
August 24 2017 23:57 GMT
#131
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diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
August 25 2017 00:00 GMT
#132
On August 25 2017 08:56 XERX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 08:46 diggurd wrote:
On August 25 2017 08:24 MymSlorm wrote:
That's what i hate about modern culture, all act like crazy feminists ...


You and me both brother, you and me both.... Errbody acting like crazy feminists............



... why do you want bring up feminists in a brood war forum


You tell me. I guess its this new blue, red whatever, pill meme. They blame feminism for everything
the interesting thing about this quote is that youll only understand whats interesting when youre done reading it. ǝɯıʇ ɹn ƃuıʇsɐʍ n ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ
PolarBearFur
Profile Joined April 2017
Finland24 Posts
August 25 2017 00:04 GMT
#133
Making a mistake would be something that you either didn't know was not allowed, or did something by accident. He did something HE KNEW was illegal and banned, for MONEY. If you pick a career that means you "don't have a shot at any other career" maybe you should not throw away it like that? He fucked himself up. Would you let a convicted child molester work at an elementary school or kindergarten? A convicted embezzler to work as an accountant?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51544 Posts
August 25 2017 00:08 GMT
#134
This is not the time or place to debate Savior and his punishment. Go to the other threads or create a new one - but I must say that the topic has been discussed time and time again.
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PolarBearFur
Profile Joined April 2017
Finland24 Posts
August 25 2017 00:10 GMT
#135
my apologies
MymSlorm
Profile Joined May 2017
Chile187 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 01:54:05
August 25 2017 00:28 GMT
#136
On August 25 2017 09:08 GTR wrote:
This is not the time or place to debate Savior and his punishment. Go to the other threads or create a new one - but I must say that the topic has been discussed time and time again.

Yeah i was just asking if the qualifiers are totally open, or if there are people who's banned, like Savior. I also gave my thougths about over used and shitty "new" maps, which are the same things used like 10 years ago with just minor changes
"There will always be a new generation of youth, they will be more beautiful, more vigorous, and they shall inspire greater hope for the future in the hearts of the living"
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
565 Posts
August 25 2017 00:48 GMT
#137
90% of the people who try to "defend" or advocate for savior are usually the ones who only do so to be contrarian or just give sympathy to someone they're barely aware of.

he's a bastard. he's never apologized. his own coach put his career and crediblity on the line defending him in public and in the media, passionately saying that it was not in his character to cheat.

incredibly shameful. and he milked his old fans for luxury beauty products for years before he was banned from streaming.

JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
MymSlorm
Profile Joined May 2017
Chile187 Posts
August 25 2017 01:57 GMT
#138
On August 25 2017 09:48 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
90% of the people who try to "defend" or advocate for savior are usually the ones who only do so to be contrarian or just give sympathy to someone they're barely aware of.

he's a bastard. he's never apologized. his own coach put his career and crediblity on the line defending him in public and in the media, passionately saying that it was not in his character to cheat.

incredibly shameful. and he milked his old fans for luxury beauty products for years before he was banned from streaming.


I don't give a crap how he's in his personal life, all what i care about is how he plays, i only know the savior i saw on TV. But Coreans seem to care too much about people they barely known rigth?(unless you are a relative, or friend of him you can't type shit either). and i was just asking, because i don't really know if the qualifiers are open for EVERYONE or not
"There will always be a new generation of youth, they will be more beautiful, more vigorous, and they shall inspire greater hope for the future in the hearts of the living"
Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
August 25 2017 03:35 GMT
#139
Does anyone happen to know if you need korean citizenship/alien card for the qualifier? I would get absolutely rekt in the first match, but could be a fun experience nonetheless.
A game where the first thing you do is scout with a “worker”. Does that make any sense? Who scouts with a “worker”? That’s like sending out the janitor to perform recon, what general would do that? Retarded game.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51544 Posts
August 25 2017 03:36 GMT
#140
i think you just need a mobile number for verification purposes?
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