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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
October 11 2017 07:00 GMT
#961
Pretty obscene
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10345 Posts
October 11 2017 07:11 GMT
#962
On October 11 2017 15:21 K.H.J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 12:15 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 11:07 blade55555 wrote:
On October 11 2017 10:39 GTR wrote:
what's with progamers losing money in the stock market lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter
According to Nada, his wife raised her daughter alone and waited Nada`s discharge. Also, they could not have a marriage ceremony till last year (that was held with the help of Afreeca and Blizzard) because he lost $700K in the stock market.


Wow... They don't invest a little, their investing all of their money wtf!

Probably because of some tax benefits? I'm no expert on Korean taxation laws but I suspect this might be a reason for stock market investments. It's unclear to me if Stork invested in stock or directly funded this company, but it certainly seems like poor choices were made on both sides.


No, one of the Stork's friends recommended this stock.
Stork call this 'fraud'.

That's terrible -_-;

Can you confirm that purchasing stock in Korea is a good way to decrease taxation? How are Brood War/eSports winnings taxed - immediately upon receiving, or as part of the end-of-the-year earnings?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-11 13:42:55
October 11 2017 13:39 GMT
#963
On October 11 2017 16:11 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 15:21 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 12:15 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 11:07 blade55555 wrote:
On October 11 2017 10:39 GTR wrote:
what's with progamers losing money in the stock market lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter
According to Nada, his wife raised her daughter alone and waited Nada`s discharge. Also, they could not have a marriage ceremony till last year (that was held with the help of Afreeca and Blizzard) because he lost $700K in the stock market.


Wow... They don't invest a little, their investing all of their money wtf!

Probably because of some tax benefits? I'm no expert on Korean taxation laws but I suspect this might be a reason for stock market investments. It's unclear to me if Stork invested in stock or directly funded this company, but it certainly seems like poor choices were made on both sides.


No, one of the Stork's friends recommended this stock.
Stork call this 'fraud'.

That's terrible -_-;

Can you confirm that purchasing stock in Korea is a good way to decrease taxation? How are Brood War/eSports winnings taxed - immediately upon receiving, or as part of the end-of-the-year earnings?


1. Korea do not impose tax in stock.

2. In Boxer's era - immediately 33% or 22%... I cant remember correct number.
After - Individual income tax. Korea government think that it is business earning
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10345 Posts
October 11 2017 13:54 GMT
#964
On October 11 2017 22:39 K.H.J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 16:11 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 15:21 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 12:15 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 11:07 blade55555 wrote:
On October 11 2017 10:39 GTR wrote:
what's with progamers losing money in the stock market lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter
According to Nada, his wife raised her daughter alone and waited Nada`s discharge. Also, they could not have a marriage ceremony till last year (that was held with the help of Afreeca and Blizzard) because he lost $700K in the stock market.


Wow... They don't invest a little, their investing all of their money wtf!

Probably because of some tax benefits? I'm no expert on Korean taxation laws but I suspect this might be a reason for stock market investments. It's unclear to me if Stork invested in stock or directly funded this company, but it certainly seems like poor choices were made on both sides.


No, one of the Stork's friends recommended this stock.
Stork call this 'fraud'.

That's terrible -_-;

Can you confirm that purchasing stock in Korea is a good way to decrease taxation? How are Brood War/eSports winnings taxed - immediately upon receiving, or as part of the end-of-the-year earnings?


1. Korea do not impose tax in stock.

2. In Boxer's era - immediately 33% or 22%... I cant remember correct number.
After - Individual income tax. Korea government think that it is business earning

Thank you! I think this explains why so many players invested so much.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine111 Posts
October 12 2017 10:28 GMT
#965
hyvaa ex estro progamer is streaming sc again!
Du kan om du vill...
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
October 13 2017 03:53 GMT
#966
Sonic is arressted by korean police at 10/11.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 13 2017 05:07 GMT
#967
^ 0_0

uh, any updates on sonic? like thats bad...
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
fish_radio
Profile Blog Joined March 2017
182 Posts
October 13 2017 05:15 GMT
#968
http://ilyo.co.kr/?ac=article_view&entry_id=273538

he was arrested for embezzlement. SBENU (remember the shoe company?) made unreliable shoes and did not pay back investors.
Sebyul Server W.I.P.
Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
October 13 2017 06:06 GMT
#969
On October 11 2017 22:54 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 22:39 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 16:11 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 15:21 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 12:15 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 11:07 blade55555 wrote:
On October 11 2017 10:39 GTR wrote:
what's with progamers losing money in the stock market lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter
According to Nada, his wife raised her daughter alone and waited Nada`s discharge. Also, they could not have a marriage ceremony till last year (that was held with the help of Afreeca and Blizzard) because he lost $700K in the stock market.


Wow... They don't invest a little, their investing all of their money wtf!

Probably because of some tax benefits? I'm no expert on Korean taxation laws but I suspect this might be a reason for stock market investments. It's unclear to me if Stork invested in stock or directly funded this company, but it certainly seems like poor choices were made on both sides.


No, one of the Stork's friends recommended this stock.
Stork call this 'fraud'.

That's terrible -_-;

Can you confirm that purchasing stock in Korea is a good way to decrease taxation? How are Brood War/eSports winnings taxed - immediately upon receiving, or as part of the end-of-the-year earnings?


1. Korea do not impose tax in stock.

2. In Boxer's era - immediately 33% or 22%... I cant remember correct number.
After - Individual income tax. Korea government think that it is business earning

Thank you! I think this explains why so many players invested so much.



Hm, this doesn't sound accurate, I don't think you can just invest your savings and not get taxed in Korea. In a quick google search, it looks like it is in the US. The tax for capital gains (profit from stock), is usually taxed at a lower rate than normal income, but you still pay tax on any salary you were originally paid in cash. If I am paid in dollars, and then buy stock, I'm still taxed on my salary in dollars.

As part of your compensation, you might given the option to buy stock of the company at a reduced price though (known as options). Stock acquired in this way and then sold, is taxed at the capital gains tax rate. In the US, if you hold for at least a year, you'll instead pay the long term capital gains tax rate, which is lower. In addition, stock (or other capital asset) you buy will be taxed in this manner, but doing so won't change your income tax.

I don't think there was a good reason for these pros to have so much money un-diversified in the stock market.
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
October 13 2017 06:47 GMT
#970
On October 13 2017 15:06 Ender2701 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 22:54 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 22:39 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 16:11 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 15:21 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 12:15 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 11:07 blade55555 wrote:
On October 11 2017 10:39 GTR wrote:
what's with progamers losing money in the stock market lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter
According to Nada, his wife raised her daughter alone and waited Nada`s discharge. Also, they could not have a marriage ceremony till last year (that was held with the help of Afreeca and Blizzard) because he lost $700K in the stock market.


Wow... They don't invest a little, their investing all of their money wtf!

Probably because of some tax benefits? I'm no expert on Korean taxation laws but I suspect this might be a reason for stock market investments. It's unclear to me if Stork invested in stock or directly funded this company, but it certainly seems like poor choices were made on both sides.


No, one of the Stork's friends recommended this stock.
Stork call this 'fraud'.

That's terrible -_-;

Can you confirm that purchasing stock in Korea is a good way to decrease taxation? How are Brood War/eSports winnings taxed - immediately upon receiving, or as part of the end-of-the-year earnings?


1. Korea do not impose tax in stock.

2. In Boxer's era - immediately 33% or 22%... I cant remember correct number.
After - Individual income tax. Korea government think that it is business earning

Thank you! I think this explains why so many players invested so much.



Hm, this doesn't sound accurate, I don't think you can just invest your savings and not get taxed in Korea. In a quick google search, it looks like it is in the US. The tax for capital gains (profit from stock), is usually taxed at a lower rate than normal income, but you still pay tax on any salary you were originally paid in cash. If I am paid in dollars, and then buy stock, I'm still taxed on my salary in dollars.

As part of your compensation, you might given the option to buy stock of the company at a reduced price though (known as options). Stock acquired in this way and then sold, is taxed at the capital gains tax rate. In the US, if you hold for at least a year, you'll instead pay the long term capital gains tax rate, which is lower. In addition, stock (or other capital asset) you buy will be taxed in this manner, but doing so won't change your income tax.

I don't think there was a good reason for these pros to have so much money un-diversified in the stock market.



Well, Capital gain = no tax
The tax which you mentioned is Value added tax and income tax.
I've learned tax law in 2015, so if it is not revised, no tax for capital gain.
Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 07:18:39
October 13 2017 07:18 GMT
#971
VAT (known as Value Added Tax) is not related to gains from stock. It is a tax that relates to manufacturing goods and services. It is correct that capital gains tax for individuals is normally 0%, but investing in stocks does not decrease your overall tax rate. Capital losses in Korea are only deductible against capital gains.

The rules for capital gains tax in Korea:
Capital gains from the transfer of shares of a company listed on the Korea stock exchange are exempt from taxation unless the transferor is a majority shareholder who: (i) holds more than 1% of the total outstanding shares of the company; or (ii) owns shares in the company with a fair market value of more than KRW 2.5 billion. Capital gains from the transfer of shares of an unlisted company are not exempt from taxation, and a shareholder of an unlisted company that meets the ownership (4% of the total outstanding shares) or fair market value (KRW 2.5 billion) thresholds to qualify as a majority shareholder may be subject to an increased tax rate on the gains, as described below.

Majority shareholders must pay a tax of 30% on gains from shares held for less than one year, and 20% on gains from shares held for a longer period. Shareholders who are not majority shareholders are liable for a 20% tax on gains from a transfer of non-SME shares and a 10% tax on gains from a transfer of SME shares, in both cases regardless of the holding period. A 20% tax applies to majority shareholders of SMEs.


https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/global/Documents/Tax/dttl-tax-koreaguide-2017.pdf
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 08:00:32
October 13 2017 07:44 GMT
#972
On October 11 2017 22:54 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 22:39 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 16:11 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 15:21 K.H.J wrote:
On October 11 2017 12:15 Jealous wrote:
On October 11 2017 11:07 blade55555 wrote:
On October 11 2017 10:39 GTR wrote:
what's with progamers losing money in the stock market lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter
According to Nada, his wife raised her daughter alone and waited Nada`s discharge. Also, they could not have a marriage ceremony till last year (that was held with the help of Afreeca and Blizzard) because he lost $700K in the stock market.


Wow... They don't invest a little, their investing all of their money wtf!

Probably because of some tax benefits? I'm no expert on Korean taxation laws but I suspect this might be a reason for stock market investments. It's unclear to me if Stork invested in stock or directly funded this company, but it certainly seems like poor choices were made on both sides.


No, one of the Stork's friends recommended this stock.
Stork call this 'fraud'.

That's terrible -_-;

Can you confirm that purchasing stock in Korea is a good way to decrease taxation? How are Brood War/eSports winnings taxed - immediately upon receiving, or as part of the end-of-the-year earnings?


1. Korea do not impose tax in stock.

2. In Boxer's era - immediately 33% or 22%... I cant remember correct number.
After - Individual income tax. Korea government think that it is business earning

Thank you! I think this explains why so many players invested so much.


No you can't avoid taxes on earned income like that through an investment instrument. The tax will happen regardless [1]. This is a standard situation that happens anywhere in the world, where a comparatively wealthy person who is tricked by "a friend" "in the know". It's analogous to the stories you hear about actors or athletes losing money through bad investments [2].

You do want to put your nest egg to work, especially when you know that as a progamer, your effective earning lifespan is very short. That would lead them to look into investments of various kinds, opening themselves up to be defrauded/tricked.

[1] unless you're incorporated as a business, then incur actual expenses or business losses to offset your profit (depends on your jurisdiction's exact rules), but this is not the case here.

[2] An "bad" example is Nicholas Cage. A "good" example is Joe Montana.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10345 Posts
October 14 2017 00:26 GMT
#973
Thanks for the info everyone!
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
October 14 2017 04:54 GMT
#974
[image loading]
[image loading]
OGN Seoul Super Cup Photo.

GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51647 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-14 05:18:36
October 14 2017 05:18 GMT
#975
free wet tissues? korea makes me laugh with their advertising methods as the years go by.
Commentator
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 14 2017 05:21 GMT
#976
On October 14 2017 13:54 K.H.J wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]
OGN Seoul Super Cup Photo.


How big is the audience? Seems like a big room but not much room for people to watch or something?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
October 14 2017 09:40 GMT
#977
On October 14 2017 14:21 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2017 13:54 K.H.J wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]
OGN Seoul Super Cup Photo.


How big is the audience? Seems like a big room but not much room for people to watch or something?

1500seats
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-14 09:44:22
October 14 2017 09:44 GMT
#978
-wrong thread-
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
October 14 2017 09:54 GMT
#979
On October 14 2017 18:40 K.H.J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2017 14:21 BigFan wrote:
On October 14 2017 13:54 K.H.J wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]
OGN Seoul Super Cup Photo.


How big is the audience? Seems like a big room but not much room for people to watch or something?

1500seats

Seats all filled up? On stream you don't really see them
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2041 Posts
October 14 2017 12:56 GMT
#980
On October 14 2017 18:54 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2017 18:40 K.H.J wrote:
On October 14 2017 14:21 BigFan wrote:
On October 14 2017 13:54 K.H.J wrote:
[image loading]
[image loading]
OGN Seoul Super Cup Photo.


How big is the audience? Seems like a big room but not much room for people to watch or something?

1500seats

Seats all filled up? On stream you don't really see them


I saw some empty seats before they cut to commercial, during the part when Artosis was describing the University, which I think was before the 2nd match.
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