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On August 01 2017 00:58 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2017 00:34 Ancestral wrote:
In a completely objective sense, given that Nony went 1-2 in the last round of a courage tournament in the midst of the most competitive era in BW history, there's an argument for his being the best foreigner of all time. Really bizarre he wouldn't be on Blizz's radar.
And I only refer to you in the third person to be objective. O well. Ret has had big successes too, but i was talking about recent accomplishment and current best players, not the best players from 8 years ago. I'm fine with inviting some great players of the good old days and im looking forward to see them play. But going over players like trutacz, eonzerg, bonyth etc. in favor of those is just not right.
Actually I agree a lot with this. This was one of the things that annoyed me when I was at my peak, or maybe a bit before my peak, since that courage result and TSL2 obviously got me a lot of instant praise. Anyway, there's quite a bit of lag on recognition in general. The best players from a few years ago (or in this case, almost a decade ago) are treated better than the current best. If I was in charge of invites, I'd definitely go out and find the current best top foreigners and get them all in. Getting in a few "foreigner legends" and some current popular SC2 personalities would be great as well, but you've gotta be most in touch with the guys who are currently the most passionate and invested.
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I'd only argue that if you asked to be in and said you'd give feedback or stream it or what have you, they should say yes. Obv it'd be up to you if you wanted to do that.
Like I said, I acknowledge they have to economize their effort, so I'd concede they can't seek out everyone who has won over $2k in prizes total or achieved A- or higher on iCCup.
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I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was completely democratic and/or random. But the fact that Blizzard specifically reached out to SC2 players while neglecting the entire BW community irks me.
Yeah I'm sure it makes financial sense for them, whatever. It makes financial sense for Nestlé to monetize tap water too.
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is it possible that its a normal beta, people get lucky? I mean, in that case, Liquid has a massive following and I'm sure people would donate keys to people in Liquid, not saying you don't have fans Nony, but one going to Nazgul could be handed out to the crew, rather than one person.
I'm always unlucky in these beta's =[ but two weeks! Guess I'll hop back on original to get comfortable.
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I'm so triggered. No offense to ret,tlo, drogo and other dudes but they just played it for like an hour on stream and will never touch this game ever again. And us, that have been waiting for this shit for months and just get absolutely nothing but a shitty 'advertisement' called 'closed beta'. FU Blizzudrdrd.
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On July 31 2017 20:27 LaLuSh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2017 18:20 HaN- wrote:
Nony didn't get SCR invite, even tho Blizzard has his infos from a previous event. He should try starting Starcraft and logging in to battle.net. I was whining about not being able to play remastered. Then a couple of hours later I tried to log into battle.net on regular Starcraft... And once I logged in to the battle.net client the game just instantly switched from SD to HD. I was also at the SC:Remastered summit with Nony. Try logging on with your regular SC copy if you haven't already  They should give out more keys because I have to search for 10+ minutes to get a game on the ladder. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3WnDg2k.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TvBRO9e.jpg) Also the ladder leaderboard seems to be broken for EU accounts. It won't load. Seems to happen to all EU players regardless of which server you connect to.
Exactly what happened to me. Tried a few games of bw for fun against a friend, ended up on the remastered. No email, no nothing, I just launched bnet.
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On August 01 2017 02:42 Moonsalt wrote:
I'm so triggered. No offense to ret,tlo, drogo and other dudes but they just played it for like an hour on stream and will never touch this game ever again. And us, that have been waiting for this shit for months and just get absolutely nothing but a shitty 'advertisement' called 'closed beta'. FU Blizzudrdrd.
Ret might stick to it, atleast for a while. But i agree with drogo, tlo and the other sc2 guys.
They played so bad that they are not intersted anymore.
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Damn I hope that happens to me...
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I really don't get why people are mad now. This is called "beta" but in the end it's just advertising.
The product will be out in 2 weeks for everyone. It's not like you could contribute a lot now anyway.
Would it be nice to play 2 weeks before release? Sure. But damn if that actually angers you i don't know what to say tbh.
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We are mad because again SC2 gets preferential treatment as always.
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Its a disgrace - Mana, Indy and others sc2 players from Poland has invites. Trutacz, bonyth etc doesnt has it.
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You are mad over basically nothing, not surprised by this ofc.
I would understand it if this was a closed beta which would run over a few months where blizzard actually asks for input, etc.
But this isn't the case, it's simply a form of advertising it to a western audience. Players like TLO are valuable for that, Trutacz is not. It's that simple. In two weeks everybody will be able to play the final product.
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On August 01 2017 03:38 The_Red_Viper wrote:
You are mad over basically nothing, not surprised by this ofc.
I would understand it if this was a closed beta which would run over a few months where blizzard actually asks for input, etc.
But this isn't the case, it's simply a form of advertising it to a western audience. Players like TLO are valuable for that, Trutacz is not. It's that simple. In two weeks everybody will be able to play the final product.
In my case, I'm not mad. But promotion is not all that matters. Current and past top-tier Brood War players obviously have something to contribute given their achievements. So a mixed strategy (get both coverage and the best possible feedback) wouldn't be a bad idea.
All that said, you're right it's only two weeks, and all that really needs to be done is bug testing.
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So they should just give acces to SC2 players and BW top players, not only SC2, its big dissapoinment and disprespect for loyal playerbase.
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Maybe I am too old, but I don't understand the urge to play a game in beta stage. It is very likely that the issues with the occasional missing inputs or falsely allocated control groups from 1.18 still exist for players with higher apm. I wouldn't want to play BW with updated graphics but worse gameplay. And sadly I wouldn't be surprised if this continues to be the case for quite some time after the release date (or even forever).
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On August 01 2017 04:02 Cryoc wrote:
Maybe I am too old, but I don't understand the urge to play a game in beta stage. It is very likely that the issues with the occasional missing inputs or falsely allocated control groups from 1.18 still exist for players with higher apm. I wouldn't want to play BW with updated graphics but worse gameplay. And sadly I wouldn't be surprised if this continues to be the case for quite some time after the release date (or even forever).
That's the point of a beta... to get feedback from people with knowledge about what the problems are.
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I cannot connect to multiplayer at all. It says I need to upgrade and when I click the upgrade button, BW crashes and b.net app does nothing. When I restart, it's still the old version.
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Guys stop yelling, since there is no logical reason in giving beta access to StaCraft: Brood War players, since they are going to buy Remastered edition anyway. I totally understand Blizzard decision - they know that in sc2 community there are many people who never touched sc1 and best way to make them interested is promoting game by their sc2 idols.
At the end it could be better for all of us - more relatively weaker players to smash. Honestly, the bad thing is that korean pros got access to beta (well most of them got it half-legally but accepted by Blizzard, if only someone's statement in this topic was correct). Their gameplay can be discouraging for sc2 players.
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On August 01 2017 04:25 NonY wrote:
I cannot connect to multiplayer at all. It says I need to upgrade and when I click the upgrade button, BW crashes and b.net app does nothing. When I restart, it's still the old version.
Try running the StarCraft Launcher exe in the install folder to install the update.
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On August 01 2017 04:26 radley wrote:
Guys stop yelling, since there is no logical reason in giving beta access to StaCraft: Brood War players, since they are going to buy Remastered edition anyway. I totally understand Blizzard decision - they know that in sc2 community there are many people who never touched sc1 and best way to make them interested is promoting game by their sc2 idols.
At the end it could be better for all of us - more relatively weaker players to smash. Honestly, the bad thing is that korean pros got access to beta (well most of them got it half-legally but accepted by Blizzard, if only someone's statement in this topic was correct). Their gameplay can be discouraging for sc2 players.
I repeat, because the message apparently got lost, Betas are not only for advertising. In fact, that is not even their primary purpose. The primary purpose is refinement and playtesting, so yes, it absolutely makes sense to include the people who know the most about the game in the Beta in addition to the people who can hype it up, and it is absolutely ridiculous not to include them.
The hype people would be equally as effective after release, too, which is why the purpose of the Beta is what it is.
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