EPTThat's my point. He won a couple powerlifting competitions very early in his career, but that part of his life is not why he's a legend.
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
That's my point. He won a couple powerlifting competitions very early in his career, but that part of his life is not why he's a legend. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3481 Posts
He was always sucha great player. Amazing aura as you guys said... And his playstyle was such a treat | ||
GTR
51595 Posts
On June 24 2017 20:22 c3rberUs wrote: Guys who would fit the bill are probably guys like BoxeR, iloveoov, YellOw, XellOs and Garimto and maybe ZeuS. GARIMTO? lol, he streamed for a week when 1.18 came out then stopped suddenly. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On June 24 2017 11:56 Last Romantic wrote: Manlots? Here he takes on one of the best ZvP players of all time with zealots: & here he crushes that little shit matchfixer: A true man's pride should be zealots. That was the manliest hing I've ever seen in my life. My voice probably got deeper just by watching those games. | ||
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Highgamer
1452 Posts
On June 24 2017 20:22 c3rberUs wrote: Guys who would fit the bill are probably guys like BoxeR, iloveoov, YellOw, XellOs and Garimto and maybe ZeuS. Dunno much about XellOs play tbh, but I think you're right, he just looks like the devil... like someone who stands all by himself, above things around him, who looks deep down into your soul - or right through you no matter who you are... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZBeXhpq.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/44guKrp.jpg) | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
On June 24 2017 04:44 L_Master wrote: I dunno. He'd have to be really serious. Reach was good, but he wasn't a top player in the most competitive era of BW, and it's only gotten better since then. Obviously there is talent there, but going from B on Fish to competing with the best players in ASL is a MAJOR step up. It would be cool to see a former "old school" champion start putting in the big 8-12 hour days and make a run at returning to prominence, but I'd guess most of them are at points where they aren't young and single-mindedly hungry for BW glory having families, relationships, and other life aspirations in the mix. Being good at BW is incredibly time demanding. You can do it, but you need a pretty single-minded focus to do so. man this is just blasphemy. reach was top player till 06. reach is the original macro player, not oov! | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2356 Posts
Rekrul: Koreans usually don't look strangers in the eyes. Atleast thats true for gamers, most don't have very good social skills. At MBC Trials I raped some terran round one. I was feeling pumped and ready for round 2 vs. Reach. I was then walking towards him and he was walking towards me and we made eye contact, he didn't look away, neither did I. I felt the power of the mantoss. There was nothing I could do. He was Reach. I was the first one to break the eye contact. I knew what was coming. Mother fucker raped me twice with ease. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On June 25 2017 09:17 esdf wrote: oh dear god what is this i dont even my body is ready. my forum signature finally makes sense! man this is just blasphemy. reach was top player till 06. reach is the original macro player, not oov! I won't lie, he was a little before my time; so doesn't have the same mystique if I had been following BW that early. That said, just the anecdotes I have heard are more than enough to sell me on Reach. I do stand by what I said, but I'll be very happy if that turns out to be a foot in mouth comment. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20663 Posts
It's hard to assess players across eras though. There's something about 2004-2006 BW that speaks to me  | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9538 Posts
On June 27 2017 05:18 Last Romantic wrote: Objectively, Reach's career is probably top ~15 overall, top ~5 for Protoss (would put him after Stork, Bisu, Nal_rA and ahead of Jangbi, Anytime, Kingdom, etc). It's hard to assess players across eras though. There's something about 2004-2006 BW that speaks to me As much as I love Reach (my first and only progamer that I actually loved), it's hard to put him ahead of double OSL winner during, arguably, the highest competitive level of progaming era. | ||
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MymSlorm
Chile187 Posts
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Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
I think he was in some pimpest plays vod where on the map RoV he beat 12 Zealots with 10 goons without losing any goon... I didn't believed 1st time when I saw this. | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
On June 27 2017 05:21 2Pacalypse- wrote: As much as I love Reach (my first and only progamer that I actually loved), it's hard to put him ahead of double OSL winner during, arguably, the highest competitive level of progaming era. I think given his importance for protoss, he's only behind bisu & nal_rA | ||
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GTR
51595 Posts
he's highly regarded mainly because he was the only protoss who could consistently post results in an era where protoss players struggled finding success in individual leagues. On June 27 2017 05:18 Last Romantic wrote: It's hard to assess players across eras though. There's something about 2004-2006 BW that speaks to me the first OSL i started following in full was the gillette osl in 2004, so that era is the closest to my heart. it was so weird not having boxer in an osl, but it showed to everyone that the scene didn't need boxer to survive. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On June 27 2017 05:21 2Pacalypse- wrote: As much as I love Reach (my first and only progamer that I actually loved), it's hard to put him ahead of double OSL winner during, arguably, the highest competitive level of progaming era. By that logic anyone who didn't make a mark in the final years of professional Brood War becomes obsolete, to varying degrees, depending on how much bias towards the most recent eras you decide to figure in. That means players universally recognized for their superlative achievements during their moments of glory such as BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, and sAviOr become mere relics of a distant, irrelevant past. This entire scene progressed because of the advancements made by these players. Just because none of the past legends would have a chance in hell of defeating a more recent player like Stats, for example, doesn't automatically make whatever Stats achieved more meaningful than what his predecessors achieved in my eyes. Further more, there's more than meets the eye when we look at the body of work Reach has amassed over the years (which is nothing to scoff at in the first place). There's a reason why Reach was known as "Hero Protoss" by the masses. He was the single ray of hope for the protoss race in the individual leagues, more so than any other protoss player in history. http://newtype.pgr21.com/pb/pb.php?id=free2&no=44009 The above post is a statistical analysis of all the OGN StarLeague/KPGA Tournaments/MSL that happened in history except for the three most recent tournaments. It rewards the placement of players by ranking them within the context of their own race. 48 points for 1st place within their race, 24 for 2nd within their race, and 12 for finishing 3rd highest within their race, and the points are divided amongst the players if they have the same placements. So for example, Nal_rA is rewarded 48 points for his 4th place finish at CEN Game MSL, because he was the only protoss player in the round of 16, and went all the way to the semi-finals as the sole representative of his race. It is the same number of points as what Kingdom gets for winning MyCube OGN StarLeague in a similar era. While it is a flawed system in many regards, it is a pretty good indicator of who was carrying the flag for his race most frequently throughout their careers. Once we factor in the points gained by the players in the last ever MSL, and two of the most recent OGN StarLeague that isn't listed in the above post, this is what the all time ranking is for the protoss players. This is merely an accumulation of points gained by players in terms of how they placed compared to the members of their own race throughout the era, so it heavily depends on how bad the other members of your own race is at the time, rather than how well you finished overall. 1. Reach: 556 points 2. Stork: 506 points 3. Nal_rA: 492 points 4. Bisu: 442 points Now, I'm not suggesting Reach is the greatest protoss player of all time, or that his achievements should be looked in a completely different light. But what I do believe is that Reach was ever present as the leading figure of his race in the good times, and the bad. Whether he was the sole protoss representative in the round of 16 in the Gillette OGN StarLeague, the sole protoss representative at the round of eight in EVER 2005 OGN StarLeague, the sole protoss represenative in the round of four in EVER 2004 OGN StarLeague, he was always the go-to guy for the protoss race for years on end. And while it's erroneous to weigh these kind of performances the same as the times JangBi pulled off his miraculous run all the way to those OGN StarLeague triumphs, it does shed light into the fact if JangBi was one of the more memorable protagonist of his race in glorious tales of protoss triumphs that were etched into our minds forever, Reach was the protagonist for his race more so than any other protoss player in history, even if his fate was doomed for failure most of the time. I personally would have no problems ranking Reach above JangBi in terms of their career accomplishments, even though JangBi is one of my favourite protoss players of all time, while Reach is no where near close. | ||
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zaMNal
Mongolia385 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9538 Posts
On June 27 2017 21:03 Letmelose wrote: By that logic anyone who didn't make a mark in the final years of professional Brood War becomes obsolete, to varying degrees, depending on how much bias towards the most recent eras you decide to figure in. That wasn't the point I was making at all. Here's a revised version: As much as I love Reach (my first and only progamer that I actually loved), it's hard to put him ahead of double OSL winner. | ||
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