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On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative
I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money.
On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off.
I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is.
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On March 17 2017 16:58 K.H.J wrote:
JinAir will be main sponsor of SSL. But it is not fixed.
JD,Flash,Bisu think SSL negative.
They say that no preliminary is nonsense, and do not want to participate in SSL
And ASL 3 is postponed a week.
910 who is ex-progamer and works in afreecatv now gives us this information.
Great... BW is in full on revival mode, and now the sponsors can't get along and work together. 
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On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off. I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is.
It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc
I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus?
So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL?
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Germany3128 Posts
On March 20 2017 02:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off. I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is. It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus? So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL?
Sounds like a security system to prevent non players to be voted into the competition
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On March 20 2017 05:48 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 02:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off. I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is. It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus? So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL? Sounds like a security system to prevent non players to be voted into the competition
Yeah, I remember when they first announced the fanvote, people were thinking that it'd be Terror + Brittney and BJ personalities rather than pros, making the competition a mockery. (Granted Terror made to Ro24 last ASL, so he'd technically still be int he running)
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On March 20 2017 05:48 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 02:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off. I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is. It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus? So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL? Sounds like a security system to prevent non players to be voted into the competition
Oh yeah i am just wondering if i interpreted it the right way
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Sea, Best, Stork also reject to participate in SSL.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51392 Posts
fucking lol, dead in the water before it even starts.
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WOW that's so weird to me. At this point i wonder if afreeca is working against spotv?
If not then i am kinda disappointed in the decision of all the players here, seems counterproductive to the potential growth of the scene :/
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Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.
They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.
Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.
I dont know why Stork change his mind.
A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.
Kongdoo? I dont know ...
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Let's make sure that the next SSL won't be fan vote based by... preventing any season. Great.
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On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.
They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.
Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.
I dont know why Stork change his mind.
A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.
Kongdoo? I dont know ...
What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league.
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2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone
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On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone
Because his wrist is not good.
So Flash fans in korea understand about that.
Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent.
They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify.
I think Spotv cause a failure.
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On March 20 2017 17:09 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.
They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.
Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.
I dont know why Stork change his mind.
A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.
Kongdoo? I dont know ... What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league.
Well having to play 7 days of round robin + post season is probably not worth it for them because they make more money streaming. Uff. I'm really not happy by this decision.
I guess we either get a SSL now with the 8 'worst' players and no season afterwards or the SSL is cancelled and we lose SpoTV as an organizer and Jin Air as a sponsor. Great.
On March 20 2017 17:28 K.H.J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone Because his wrist is not good. So Flash fans in korea understand about that. Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent. They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify. I think Spotv cause a failure.
But why is SpoTV urgent? They announced their league 4 weeks ago. Afaik ASL3 is still not formally announced and it was about to start in 5 days originally.
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On March 20 2017 17:28 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 17:09 lestye wrote:On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.
They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.
Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.
I dont know why Stork change his mind.
A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.
Kongdoo? I dont know ... What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league. Well having to play 7 days of round robin + post season is probably not worth it for them because they make more money streaming. Uff. I'm really not happy by this decision. I guess we either get a SSL now with the 10 'worst' players and no season afterwards or the SSL is cancelled and we lose SpoTV as an organizer and Jin Air as a sponsor. Great. Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 17:28 K.H.J wrote:On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone Because his wrist is not good. So Flash fans in korea understand about that. Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent. They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify. I think Spotv cause a failure. But why is SpoTV urgent? They announced their league 4 weeks ago. Afaik ASL3 is still not formally announced and it was about to start in 5 days originally.
If Spotv want to do fan votes, they must talk with ex-progamers and Kongdoo.
But they didn't. Honestly first i heared thay news, i think it is nonsense, too
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51392 Posts
On March 20 2017 17:28 TheNewEra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 17:09 lestye wrote:On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.
They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.
Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.
I dont know why Stork change his mind.
A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.
Kongdoo? I dont know ... What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league. Well having to play 7 days of round robin + post season is probably not worth it for them because they make more money streaming. Uff. I'm really not happy by this decision. I guess we either get a SSL now with the 10 'worst' players and no season afterwards or the SSL is cancelled and we lose SpoTV as an organizer and Jin Air as a sponsor. Great. Show nested quote +On March 20 2017 17:28 K.H.J wrote:On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone Because his wrist is not good. So Flash fans in korea understand about that. Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent. They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify. I think Spotv cause a failure. But why is SpoTV urgent? They announced their league 4 weeks ago. Afaik ASL3 is still not formally announced and it was about to start in 5 days originally.
publicly announced is different from internally decided, some players would have known ASL3 dates months in advance.
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Meh SSL wants to reap the fruits which others have sown, while doing nothing when BW had a hard time. The prize pool is a joke compared to them wanting the most popular streamers, who make bank just streaming. At least ASL has a certain prestige already to it, while SSL with it vote system does not by default.
They deserve nothing.
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On March 20 2017 19:04 duke91 wrote:
Meh SSL wants to reap the fruits which others have sown, while doing nothing when BW had a hard time. The prize pool is a joke compared to them wanting the most popular streamers, who make bank just streaming. At least ASL has a certain prestige already to it, while SSL with it vote system does not by default.
They deserve nothing.
dont go too far,they were hosting bo5 or bo3 showmatches with high prizes,i saw hiya vs zero and zero vs sea,and couple of others(before the big four comeback to broodwar) that i cant recall right now.anyway i know what they goal was,making flash jaedong stork bisu playing everyweek and getting high viewership with korean audience.
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On March 20 2017 19:04 duke91 wrote:
Meh SSL wants to reap the fruits which others have sown, while doing nothing when BW had a hard time. The prize pool is a joke compared to them wanting the most popular streamers, who make bank just streaming. At least ASL has a certain prestige already to it, while SSL with it vote system does not by default.
They deserve nothing.
Now I'm interested.
What is your opinion on:
-Afreeca?
I mean they only actively joined the scene as organizers and sponsors after Sonic basically rebuilt it himself
-players like Flash, JD, Stork, Rain, Soulkey?
players who actively extended their SC2 contracts instead of joining the amateur scene early, like Bisu, and rebuilding it?
Personally I think it would be great to have a 2nd tournament series, have a 2nd big organizer(SpoTV) and a 2nd big sponsor(Jin Air) in the scene.
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