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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4178 Posts
March 19 2017 11:33 GMT
#61
On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative

I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money.


On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off.

I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
March 19 2017 15:54 GMT
#62
On March 17 2017 16:58 K.H.J wrote:
JinAir will be main sponsor of SSL. But it is not fixed.

JD,Flash,Bisu think SSL negative.

They say that no preliminary is nonsense, and do not want to participate in SSL



And ASL 3 is postponed a week.

910 who is ex-progamer and works in afreecatv now gives us this information.


Great... BW is in full on revival mode, and now the sponsors can't get along and work together.


User was warned for being hilarious
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 17:33:23
March 19 2017 17:32 GMT
#63
On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative

I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money.


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off.

I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is.

It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc
I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus?

On March 19 2017 20:14 K.H.J wrote:
http://m.ygosu.com/board/st/655212/?page=1

SSL Classic players choice.

8 players in ASL RO24 players

Cmmenter KCM gives us this info.


So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
March 19 2017 20:48 GMT
#64
On March 20 2017 02:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative

I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money.


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off.

I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is.

It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc
I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus?

Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 20:14 K.H.J wrote:
http://m.ygosu.com/board/st/655212/?page=1

SSL Classic players choice.

8 players in ASL RO24 players

Cmmenter KCM gives us this info.


So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL?

Sounds like a security system to prevent non players to be voted into the competition
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4178 Posts
March 19 2017 21:53 GMT
#65
On March 20 2017 05:48 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 02:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative

I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money.


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off.

I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is.

It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc
I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus?

On March 19 2017 20:14 K.H.J wrote:
http://m.ygosu.com/board/st/655212/?page=1

SSL Classic players choice.

8 players in ASL RO24 players

Cmmenter KCM gives us this info.


So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL?

Sounds like a security system to prevent non players to be voted into the competition

Yeah, I remember when they first announced the fanvote, people were thinking that it'd be Terror + Brittney and BJ personalities rather than pros, making the competition a mockery. (Granted Terror made to Ro24 last ASL, so he'd technically still be int he running)
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 19 2017 23:10 GMT
#66
On March 20 2017 05:48 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 02:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2017 20:33 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
waxangel made a good point on reddit, maybe they just don't wanna compete a lot anyway because streaming is more lucrative

I disagreed with that. If that was their concern they wouldnt be participating in a lot of stuff, like Team Battle is really garbage if they only cared about prize money.


Show nested quote +
On March 18 2017 07:37 GTR wrote:
i hope this doesn't set a precedent where TBLS abuse their star power for future events, even if this is a positive change. crossing fingers this is a one off.

I wouldn't call that an "abuse" of their starpower. They're putting leverage on their names since thats where the value is.

It's more about having to compete in multiple things at once. Now there was only the team battle, with SSL there will be ASL as well, etc
I am sure they kinda enjoy the competition here and there but they are streamers atm and that surely has to be their focus?

On March 19 2017 20:14 K.H.J wrote:
http://m.ygosu.com/board/st/655212/?page=1

SSL Classic players choice.

8 players in ASL RO24 players

Cmmenter KCM gives us this info.


So you only can vote for one of the top 24 players in ASL?

Sounds like a security system to prevent non players to be voted into the competition

Oh yeah i am just wondering if i interpreted it the right way
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
March 20 2017 07:35 GMT
#67
Sea, Best, Stork also reject to participate in SSL.

BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50534 Posts
March 20 2017 07:37 GMT
#68
fucking lol, dead in the water before it even starts.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 07:56:47
March 20 2017 07:48 GMT
#69
WOW that's so weird to me. At this point i wonder if afreeca is working against spotv?
If not then i am kinda disappointed in the decision of all the players here, seems counterproductive to the potential growth of the scene :/
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
March 20 2017 08:00 GMT
#70
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.

They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.

Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.

I dont know why Stork change his mind.

A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.

Kongdoo? I dont know ...
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
March 20 2017 08:02 GMT
#71
Let's make sure that the next SSL won't be fan vote based by... preventing any season. Great.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4178 Posts
March 20 2017 08:09 GMT
#72
On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.

They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.

Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.

I dont know why Stork change his mind.

A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.

Kongdoo? I dont know ...

What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
March 20 2017 08:13 GMT
#73
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone
https://cinesnipe.com
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 08:29:14
March 20 2017 08:28 GMT
#74
On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone


Because his wrist is not good.

So Flash fans in korea understand about that.

Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent.

They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify.

I think Spotv cause a failure.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 08:38:50
March 20 2017 08:28 GMT
#75
On March 20 2017 17:09 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.

They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.

Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.

I dont know why Stork change his mind.

A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.

Kongdoo? I dont know ...

What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league.

Well having to play 7 days of round robin + post season is probably not worth it for them because they make more money streaming. Uff. I'm really not happy by this decision.

I guess we either get a SSL now with the 8 'worst' players and no season afterwards or the SSL is cancelled and we lose SpoTV as an organizer and Jin Air as a sponsor. Great.

On March 20 2017 17:28 K.H.J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone


Because his wrist is not good.

So Flash fans in korea understand about that.

Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent.

They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify.

I think Spotv cause a failure.


But why is SpoTV urgent? They announced their league 4 weeks ago. Afaik ASL3 is still not formally announced and it was about to start in 5 days originally.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 08:39:55
March 20 2017 08:39 GMT
#76
On March 20 2017 17:28 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 17:09 lestye wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.

They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.

Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.

I dont know why Stork change his mind.

A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.

Kongdoo? I dont know ...

What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league.

Well having to play 7 days of round robin + post season is probably not worth it for them because they make more money streaming. Uff. I'm really not happy by this decision.

I guess we either get a SSL now with the 10 'worst' players and no season afterwards or the SSL is cancelled and we lose SpoTV as an organizer and Jin Air as a sponsor. Great.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 17:28 K.H.J wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone


Because his wrist is not good.

So Flash fans in korea understand about that.

Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent.

They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify.

I think Spotv cause a failure.


But why is SpoTV urgent? They announced their league 4 weeks ago. Afaik ASL3 is still not formally announced and it was about to start in 5 days originally.




If Spotv want to do fan votes, they must talk with ex-progamers and Kongdoo.
But they didn't. Honestly first i heared thay news, i think it is nonsense, too
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50534 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 08:40:40
March 20 2017 08:39 GMT
#77
On March 20 2017 17:28 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 17:09 lestye wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:00 K.H.J wrote:
Kongdoo and Flash talk each other.

They think 2 league is a burden to Gamers.

Because SSL will start right aftet ASL preliminary.

I dont know why Stork change his mind.

A week ago, If his fan vote him, then he promise to participate.

Kongdoo? I dont know ...

What? I don't understand that. It seems good to have 2 leagues somewhat concurrent and staggered because if you lose you don't have to wait 3-4 months for another league.

Well having to play 7 days of round robin + post season is probably not worth it for them because they make more money streaming. Uff. I'm really not happy by this decision.

I guess we either get a SSL now with the 10 'worst' players and no season afterwards or the SSL is cancelled and we lose SpoTV as an organizer and Jin Air as a sponsor. Great.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2017 17:28 K.H.J wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:13 Broodwar4lyf wrote:
2 leagues burden to gamers? Flash isn't even complaining and he's guaranteed Ro4 on both based on skill alone


Because his wrist is not good.

So Flash fans in korea understand about that.

Korea community and ex-progamers' opinion is that spotv is urgent.

They have to discuss with ex-progamers anr Kongdoo before, but they did just notify.

I think Spotv cause a failure.


But why is SpoTV urgent? They announced their league 4 weeks ago. Afaik ASL3 is still not formally announced and it was about to start in 5 days originally.


publicly announced is different from internally decided, some players would have known ASL3 dates months in advance.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 20 2017 10:04 GMT
#78
Meh SSL wants to reap the fruits which others have sown, while doing nothing when BW had a hard time. The prize pool is a joke compared to them wanting the most popular streamers, who make bank just streaming. At least ASL has a certain prestige already to it, while SSL with it vote system does not by default.
They deserve nothing.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6719 Posts
March 20 2017 10:33 GMT
#79
On March 20 2017 19:04 duke91 wrote:
Meh SSL wants to reap the fruits which others have sown, while doing nothing when BW had a hard time. The prize pool is a joke compared to them wanting the most popular streamers, who make bank just streaming. At least ASL has a certain prestige already to it, while SSL with it vote system does not by default.
They deserve nothing.

dont go too far,they were hosting bo5 or bo3 showmatches with high prizes,i saw hiya vs zero and zero vs sea,and couple of others(before the big four comeback to broodwar) that i cant recall right now.anyway i know what they goal was,making flash jaedong stork bisu playing everyweek and getting high viewership with korean audience.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 10:53:54
March 20 2017 10:42 GMT
#80
On March 20 2017 19:04 duke91 wrote:
Meh SSL wants to reap the fruits which others have sown, while doing nothing when BW had a hard time. The prize pool is a joke compared to them wanting the most popular streamers, who make bank just streaming. At least ASL has a certain prestige already to it, while SSL with it vote system does not by default.
They deserve nothing.

Now I'm interested.

What is your opinion on:

-Afreeca?
I mean they only actively joined the scene as organizers and sponsors after Sonic basically rebuilt it himself

-players like Flash, JD, Stork, Rain, Soulkey?
players who actively extended their SC2 contracts instead of joining the amateur scene early, like Bisu, and rebuilding it?

Personally I think it would be great to have a 2nd tournament series, have a 2nd big organizer(SpoTV) and a 2nd big sponsor(Jin Air) in the scene.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
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