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[ASL] Round of 16 Groups

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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9517 Posts
December 13 2016 12:37 GMT
#1

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valas991
Profile Joined September 2014
Hungary181 Posts
December 13 2016 12:39 GMT
#2
hah, 4 legends in 4 different groups. Coincidence? I think not.
Also, JD got his wish, to fight against Best, again.
Quite a few mirrors though
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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
December 13 2016 12:46 GMT
#3
Group C of death?
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
NewbOnTheFloor
Profile Joined November 2013
Poland160 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 12:52:14
December 13 2016 12:50 GMT
#4
There's mistake in title I believe. Shouldnt it be "Round of 16 Groups" ?
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 13 2016 12:54 GMT
#5
Predictions -

A: Shuttle 2-0, Light 2-1
B: Best 2-0, Mind 2-1
C: Last 2-0, Bisu 2-1
D: Flash 2-0, Rain 2-1
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 13 2016 12:54 GMT
#6
Classic Group of 16 Group
Puh.Hoping for:
A: Light/Stork
B:Jaedong/Best
C:Last/Rush
D:Flash/Rain
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ndesktop
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Romania109 Posts
December 13 2016 12:56 GMT
#7
On December 13 2016 21:46 shadymmj wrote:
Group C of death?

You mean B of course
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
December 13 2016 12:58 GMT
#8
Shuttle+Stork
Jaedong+Best
Bisu+Last
Flash+Sun
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
December 13 2016 12:58 GMT
#9
Group A, the group that no terran would want to be in
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 13:43:21
December 13 2016 13:12 GMT
#10
Group A , will be the end of light journey into this tournament . Unless his TvP has improve enormously.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
December 13 2016 13:27 GMT
#11
How was this selected?
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
December 13 2016 13:31 GMT
#12
On December 13 2016 22:27 Dante08 wrote:
How was this selected?

There was group selection just after Day6.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9517 Posts
December 13 2016 13:39 GMT
#13
On December 13 2016 21:50 NewbOnTheFloor wrote:
There's mistake in title I believe. Shouldnt it be "Round of 16 Groups" ?

Thanks, fixed ^^
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8594 Posts
December 13 2016 13:54 GMT
#14
On December 13 2016 21:46 shadymmj wrote:
Group C of death?


Yes. I think JD could get out of his group. For hero it's quite a lot harder. Bisu's monstrous PvZ and Last's TvZ... Rush is very solid as well and can surely take a game off of hero in his worst MU.

Predictions:

Group A: Shuttle & Guemchi (everytime I predict against Guemchi he proved me wrong, I'm done with that...)
Group B: Jaedong & Best (fingers crossed, I think it's Mind>JD>Best>Mind)
Group C: Last & Bisu
Group D: Rain & Flash (hard group, all of them seem to be quite solid at the moment)
NorbertIzdebski
Profile Joined December 2016
2 Posts
December 13 2016 13:57 GMT
#15
Where exactly event takes place in Seul?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 13:59:29
December 13 2016 13:57 GMT
#16
Group D.... what a group.

Honestly if you didn't look at the title this could probably have been an oldschool MSL or something.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
December 13 2016 14:09 GMT
#17
lol Light stuck in his worst nightmare
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
December 13 2016 14:10 GMT
#18
He might make it out, you never know.
kiss kiss fall in love
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
December 13 2016 14:16 GMT
#19
On December 13 2016 23:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
lol Light stuck in his worst nightmare

I can relate with Light, gl Light
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nurle
Profile Joined August 2009
Norway308 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 14:41:21
December 13 2016 14:40 GMT
#20
I honestly don't know what level Stork is at so group A is hard to call imo.
I do however think Stork will advance just considering all his experience.
Not sure about group B either. Jaedong seems clear but will Best be able to beat any of the terrans?
Group C has me concerned for Bisu considering his history with Hero. Also feel sorry for Rush. But he is the weakest link overall anyways.
Group D seems the clearest to me. I don't think Sea has any chance what so ever, pretty much same with Movie.
So my predictions are:
A Stork and Light
B Jaedong and Best
C Bisu and Last
D Flash and Rain

Group C is gonna be awesome
Last 16 is gonna be sick. Cant wait
Jaedong fucking beast
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
December 13 2016 14:43 GMT
#21
Bo3 this time?
I dont think it will be but i hope.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 13 2016 14:59 GMT
#22
Is Group C on Christmas for real
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
December 13 2016 15:02 GMT
#23
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote:
Is Group C on Christmas for real

The only people who really celebrate Christmas in Korea are Christians and couples.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark356 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 15:11:17
December 13 2016 15:09 GMT
#24
I love this tournament! Hope Rain will win it all so perhaps some unexperienced SC2 fans will follow it and make the next season even larger/better
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
December 13 2016 15:16 GMT
#25
On December 14 2016 00:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote:
Is Group C on Christmas for real

The only people who really celebrate Christmas in Korea are Christians and couples.

Do families not use this time of year to get together a bit, or is it a bit like CN where the Lunar New Year's the real deal?
kiss kiss fall in love
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
December 13 2016 15:30 GMT
#26
just realised, where's jangbi in all of this? has he quit BW?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
December 13 2016 15:39 GMT
#27
Is he not in the military right now?
kiss kiss fall in love
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
December 13 2016 15:45 GMT
#28
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote:
Is Group C on Christmas for real


they've been playing on Christmas for years now
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 15:47:18
December 13 2016 15:46 GMT
#29
On December 14 2016 00:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 00:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote:
Is Group C on Christmas for real

The only people who really celebrate Christmas in Korea are Christians and couples.

Do families not use this time of year to get together a bit, or is it a bit like CN where the Lunar New Year's the real deal?

Yea the two major holidays in Korea are Korean thanksgiving and Lunar New Year and thats when ppl get together with family.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 16:17:01
December 13 2016 16:14 GMT
#30
Oops wrong thread.
kiss kiss fall in love
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
December 13 2016 16:51 GMT
#31
D is for death
BW4LIFE
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 13 2016 16:54 GMT
#32
Hoped for a Round Robin Meh
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
December 13 2016 17:02 GMT
#33
group C is sick.
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3413 Posts
December 13 2016 17:07 GMT
#34
so hyped for that group C!
Horang2 fan
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
December 13 2016 17:23 GMT
#35
All the groups are so hard to call, but here are my predictions:

Group A: Stork, Light
Group B: Best, Jaedong
Group C: Bisu, Last
Group D: Flash, Rain
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 13 2016 17:53 GMT
#36
The format of Ro16 is TBD from the wiki.

If ASL applies the rule of OSL, I guess there will be 3 games for each player against all the opponent in the group and the best two qualify. If players tie after 3 matches, extra game will be executed among 3 players.

Any concrete/official information about that?


ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
December 13 2016 18:23 GMT
#37
On December 14 2016 02:53 neilmellor wrote:
The format of Ro16 is TBD from the wiki.

If ASL applies the rule of OSL, I guess there will be 3 games for each player against all the opponent in the group and the best two qualify. If players tie after 3 matches, extra game will be executed among 3 players.

Any concrete/official information about that?




its the same dual tournament format as the ro24
Forward
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
December 13 2016 18:24 GMT
#38
With the exception of Group A, all the groups are stacked.

Group D is definitely the Group of Death.

Group A: Stork.
Group B: BeSt is a dangerous opponent. Jaedong, please prepare well for the rematch.
Group C: Bisu should be able to advance easily. Last will probably destroy hero for the second spot.
Group D: This group is fucking dangerous. Sea, Movie, and Rain are all capable of sniping Flash. Flash, please advance.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
December 13 2016 18:36 GMT
#39
Really happy there's no group of death with the fan favorites. Very very even.

I'm most interested in Group C but I'll probably not be able to watch it live.
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neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 13 2016 18:41 GMT
#40
On December 14 2016 03:23 ZeroChrome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 02:53 neilmellor wrote:
The format of Ro16 is TBD from the wiki.

If ASL applies the rule of OSL, I guess there will be 3 games for each player against all the opponent in the group and the best two qualify. If players tie after 3 matches, extra game will be executed among 3 players.

Any concrete/official information about that?




its the same dual tournament format as the ro24


thanks, bro.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
December 13 2016 18:43 GMT
#41
Predictions:

Group A: Shuttle & Light
Group B: Jaedong & Mind
Group C: Last & Bisu
Group D: Flash & Rain
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
December 13 2016 18:51 GMT
#42
Group A: Stork 2-0 Guemchi 2-1
Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1
Group C: Bisu 2-0, Last 2-1
Group D: Rain 2-0, Flash 2-1
Faker is the GOAT!
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
December 13 2016 19:28 GMT
#43
Group A: Stork 2-0 Shuttle 2-1 Guemchi 1-2 Light 0-2
Group B: Jaedong 2-0 BeSt 2-1 Mind 1-2 Sharp 0-2
Group C: Bisu 2-0 Last 2-1 hero 1-2 Rush 0-2
Group D : Flash 2-0 Rain 2-1 Movie 1-2 Sea 0-2

HYPE ! :D
L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
December 13 2016 19:48 GMT
#44
Shuttle 2-0
Stork 2-1

Jaedong 2-0
Best 2-1

Bisu 2-0
Last 2-1

Flash 2-0
Sea 2-1
Comodore
Profile Joined July 2013
Brazil51 Posts
December 13 2016 20:02 GMT
#45
It was luck or the staff decided thar stork, jd, bisu and flash to be in different groups?
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 20:46:23
December 13 2016 20:46 GMT
#46
funny that jd/best and flash/movie are in the same groups again

guess jd wanted revenge and flash didn't get to play movie
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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
December 13 2016 20:48 GMT
#47
Group A: Shuttle, Stork
Group B: Jaedong, Mind
Group C: Bisu, Last
Group D: Flash, Sea
But damn, I wanted Flash-Bisu finals this time xD
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 20:55:36
December 13 2016 20:53 GMT
#48
On December 14 2016 05:02 Comodore wrote:
It was luck or the staff decided thar stork, jd, bisu and flash to be in different groups?




3h34m
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
December 13 2016 21:06 GMT
#49
omg such a strong ro16 :D SO HYPED!!!
aka DragOn[NaS]
Lgnarrow
Profile Joined April 2015
104 Posts
December 13 2016 21:25 GMT
#50
Have never watched brood war, but i guess it's goin to be more exciting than sc2 now :D
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8594 Posts
December 13 2016 21:33 GMT
#51
On December 14 2016 06:25 Lgnarrow wrote:
Have never watched brood war, but i guess it's goin to be more exciting than sc2 now :D


Welcome!
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 13 2016 22:08 GMT
#52
Group D looks sick, can't wait. Group B should also prove to be quite entertaining
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SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
December 13 2016 22:17 GMT
#53
Why are movie and flash, jeadong and best still in the same groups? does ASL not do standard practice of switching players who already faced eachother?
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 22:23:41
December 13 2016 22:19 GMT
#54
On December 14 2016 07:17 SlammerIV wrote:
Why are movie and flash, jeadong and best still in the same groups? does ASL not do standard practice of switching players who already faced eachother?


it's a group selection, where the four originally-seeded players pick the 2nd players in their groups, the 2nd players pick the 3rd players, etc

edit: looks like there are some switches at the end though, but in the end the players decide among themselves what the groups will be
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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
December 13 2016 22:48 GMT
#55
Lol Light has to play 3 TvPs, that's gold right there.

Small chance of a LeeSsangRok in the final because of the brackets? Or are AB/CD not different sides?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 13 2016 22:51 GMT
#56
I hope both zerg players make it out, JD's chances are decent i think. hero i am not so sure but let's hope he makes it
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
December 13 2016 23:03 GMT
#57
Stork, Shuttle
BeSt, Jaedong
Bisu, Last
Flash, Rain

group D seems the most dangerous, though group C is close
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
December 14 2016 00:27 GMT
#58
Light/Shuttle
Mind/BeSt
Last/Bisu (could be Last/hero)
Sea/Flash
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Comodore
Profile Joined July 2013
Brazil51 Posts
December 14 2016 01:06 GMT
#59
On December 14 2016 05:53 miercat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 05:02 Comodore wrote:
It was luck or the staff decided thar stork, jd, bisu and flash to be in different groups?


https://youtu.be/dIoFGJpNZKo?t=3h34m17s

3h34m

Thanks! I like this thing of picking groups like that. It makes very interesting the group formations and it gives advantage to the actual champion, in theory.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
December 14 2016 01:42 GMT
#60
My round of 8:
Shuttle
Stork
Jaedong
Best
Bisu
hero
Flash
Rain

(Yes, I play protoss)
I feel bad about not rooting for Sea but Rain played well and in an interesting way.)

nah
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
December 14 2016 02:08 GMT
#61
Predictions:

Group A: Shuttle 2-0 Stork 2-1
Shuttle is a PvP specialist. I will root for Stork, but I could see Shuttle winning even in back in the Kespa days. Shuttle is 3-1 in the Kespa era against Stork. Light is notorious for weak TvP so Storks should prevail, and Guemchi is a wildcard so he could beat anyone but I gotta go for my boy Stork to make it out.

Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1
Mind is in top form right now and I don't see anyone in this group beating him. It's sort of a tossup for the other 3, but I'm going with Jaedong because TBLS. I think Sharp could easily advance too but I gotta root for the main 4.

Group C: Bisu 2-0, Hero 2-1
Bisu will edge out Hero, but the top 3 players in this group are all very strong so even Last could make it. Still, Hero will advance for the swarm.

Group D: Flash 2-0, Rain 2-1
Movie needs his PvZ, so I can't see him win against Rain. While Rain is somewhat new in his return to BW, his game against Effort proved he is back. Never bet against Flash.
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
December 14 2016 04:46 GMT
#62
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote:
Is Group C on Christmas for real


Sure why not, NBA have GSW vs Cavs on Christmas day!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 14 2016 05:20 GMT
#63
Group A: Shuttle and Stork (Light )
Group B: Jaedong and Sharp (Mind )
Group C: Bisu and Last
Group D: Flash and Rain
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Lightrush
Profile Joined July 2015
Bulgaria164 Posts
December 14 2016 11:20 GMT
#64
Group selections were hilarious. Group D - group of death!
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oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
December 14 2016 11:30 GMT
#65
I got no sound at my computer these days, can someone who watched the group selections with sound tell me, why sharp took mind as his first opponent? Did he comment that in any way? There would have been lots of weaker players than Mind imo...

btw Sea got to advance please... His courage to pick Flash got to get rewarded!
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
December 14 2016 11:37 GMT
#66
On December 14 2016 20:30 oEkY wrote:
why sharp took mind as his first opponent?


Didn't watch it, but Sharp is tvt specialist, while it's Mind's weakes mutchup.
BroodWar forever
maitiky
Profile Joined November 2016
Czech Republic54 Posts
December 14 2016 12:15 GMT
#67
I've never actually watched BroodWar as I pretty much came to SC just a few weeks before release of Wings of Liberty, so I've watched SC2 matches only, but this time I spared some of my free time and watched the Ro24 of this ASL and I must admit that it did impress me. High quality of games, great commentating (with some on point explanations for us, BroodWar noobs) and such an intense atmosphere all around! Looking forward for this Ro16, especially if legends can make it into the playoffs. Will root for Bisu, that guy seems so cool inside and outside of the game!
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 12:38:27
December 14 2016 12:36 GMT
#68
On December 14 2016 20:30 oEkY wrote:
I got no sound at my computer these days, can someone who watched the group selections with sound tell me, why sharp took mind as his first opponent? Did he comment that in any way? There would have been lots of weaker players than Mind imo...

btw Sea got to advance please... His courage to pick Flash got to get rewarded!

will be hard for Sea to advance. He isn't playing too hot at the moment. He might actually be the worst player in the Ro16 currently though I don't know how good people like Guemchi really are and if they 'lucked' through or if they are actually really strong players
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 13:36:54
December 14 2016 13:36 GMT
#69
On December 14 2016 21:15 maitiky wrote:
I've never actually watched BroodWar as I pretty much came to SC just a few weeks before release of Wings of Liberty, so I've watched SC2 matches only, but this time I spared some of my free time and watched the Ro24 of this ASL and I must admit that it did impress me. High quality of games, great commentating (with some on point explanations for us, BroodWar noobs) and such an intense atmosphere all around! Looking forward for this Ro16, especially if legends can make it into the playoffs. Will root for Bisu, that guy seems so cool inside and outside of the game!


Welcome! I'm sure you won't regret it. In the meantime you can watch the previous ASL as well as OSL/MSL to gain a better understanding of the game and players.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 16:41:32
December 14 2016 16:19 GMT
#70
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 14 2016 16:20 GMT
#71
A: Stork, Shuttle
B: Jaedong, Best
C: Bisu, hero
D: Flash, Rain
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 14 2016 16:27 GMT
#72
A: Stork, Shuttle
B: Mind, Best
C: Bisu; hero
: Flash, Rain
Broodwar for life!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 14 2016 17:11 GMT
#73
A: Guemchi, Light
B: Sharp, Mind
C: Rush, Hero
D: Sea, Movie
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
toriak
Profile Joined December 2008
Slovakia477 Posts
December 14 2016 21:33 GMT
#74
is demian map going to be used in ro16 ?
danielias21
Profile Joined May 2015
39 Posts
December 14 2016 21:48 GMT
#75
Cant wait for Rain vs Flash, that will be very hot.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 22:19:11
December 14 2016 22:18 GMT
#76
To me it still seems like Stork came from out of the blue... no one saw him coming? He must have smurfed a while,,,
I'm so glad to see the legends return!

Group C / D are the toughest, abit sad that they're on the same side of brackets.
Lee young ho fighting!!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 14 2016 22:33 GMT
#77
On December 15 2016 02:11 classicyellow83 wrote:
A: Guemchi, Light
B: Sharp, Mind
C: Rush, Hero
D: Sea, Movie

Your prediction is like the exact opposite of what most other peoples think How come?
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Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
December 14 2016 22:37 GMT
#78
No, Stork insists he had about 3 weeks of practice. He's a natural. You know, too busy playing WoW and watching anime to practice but makes SL finals kinda of guy. Hopefully he's training hardcore now though, since the competition is now pretty fierce.
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miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
December 15 2016 05:12 GMT
#79
On December 14 2016 20:30 oEkY wrote:
I got no sound at my computer these days, can someone who watched the group selections with sound tell me, why sharp took mind as his first opponent? Did he comment that in any way? There would have been lots of weaker players than Mind imo...

btw Sea got to advance please... His courage to pick Flash got to get rewarded!


Sharp started by saying he wanted to play vs. a Terran for that match. The commentators interrupt him, and suggest "Flash" as the Terran player. Sharp declines.

Out of the available players, I would have expected him to choose Mind or Light, with Light being arguably even weaker, although Sharp already defeated Mind in a series in the last Starleague. Theoretically Sharp may have a relatively equal chance against Mind or Light, however, Mind is probably much stronger than Light when facing strong Zerg and Protoss opponents, and because strong Zerg and Protoss opponents are both more likely to be selected last, and Sharp is perhaps less likely to be favored in either of those matches (as opposed to vs. Mind), selecting Mind might actually increase Sharp's chances of advancing - even if Mind is stronger than Light overall, and stronger specifically vs. Sharp (although I have no idea if this was actually part of his thought process).

It's interesting that Sea told Flash to pick Movie instead of Light. Light is very unlikely to effectively cheese, and is even less likely to win a TvT macro game (particularly against Flash) - while Movie on the other hand could quite conceivably take a game off of any Terran with one of his aggressive early/mid game builds.

Of course, Sea's general decision making at the selection ceremony seemed extremely questionable, so it's possible there were ulterior motives regarding one or more of his decisions anyways.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
December 16 2016 09:22 GMT
#80
Just one group played per week?? This is not enough!
Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
December 16 2016 09:36 GMT
#81
2 groups per week actually. On Sundays & Tuesdays.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
December 16 2016 10:56 GMT
#82
On December 16 2016 18:36 Chris_Havoc wrote:
2 groups per week actually. On Sundays & Tuesdays.

Oh nice, that's way better! Thanks for correcting me.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 16 2016 16:15 GMT
#83
On December 15 2016 07:33 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2016 02:11 classicyellow83 wrote:
A: Guemchi, Light
B: Sharp, Mind
C: Rush, Hero
D: Sea, Movie

Your prediction is like the exact opposite of what most other peoples think How come?

I don't wanna jinx it.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
December 16 2016 17:25 GMT
#84
On December 17 2016 01:15 classicyellow83 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2016 07:33 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 15 2016 02:11 classicyellow83 wrote:
A: Guemchi, Light
B: Sharp, Mind
C: Rush, Hero
D: Sea, Movie

Your prediction is like the exact opposite of what most other peoples think How come?

I don't wanna jinx it.


You are not konadora, are you?
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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 19:59:21
December 16 2016 19:58 GMT
#85
So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day?
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 16 2016 20:16 GMT
#86
On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote:
So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day?

5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin
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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
December 16 2016 20:31 GMT
#87
On December 17 2016 05:16 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote:
So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day?

5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin


Ahh, thanks. That's a bit of a shame? Considering how much of a struggle it was to get some of them in the Ro16 I would've liked to see everyone play each other at least once.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
mauwee
Profile Joined August 2013
Vatican City State78 Posts
December 16 2016 22:37 GMT
#88
A: Shuttle + Stork
B: Mind + Jaedong
C: Last + Bisu
D: Flash + Rain





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Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 23:38:56
December 16 2016 23:36 GMT
#89
On December 17 2016 05:31 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 05:16 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote:
So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day?

5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin


Ahh, thanks. That's a bit of a shame? Considering how much of a struggle it was to get some of them in the Ro16 I would've liked to see everyone play each other at least once.


Completely agree. Very disappointing. It's only 20% more games in the Ro16 for round robin. Maybe they are worried about the 50% chance of a tie breaker, and that tie breakers can potentially last forever. They did it last year, only had 1 tie breaker but it went to 6 games. Could have been worse (Effort's OSL).
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
December 17 2016 02:22 GMT
#90
On December 17 2016 08:36 Crisium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 05:31 IntoTheEmo wrote:
On December 17 2016 05:16 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote:
So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day?

5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin


Ahh, thanks. That's a bit of a shame? Considering how much of a struggle it was to get some of them in the Ro16 I would've liked to see everyone play each other at least once.


Completely agree. Very disappointing. It's only 20% more games in the Ro16 for round robin. Maybe they are worried about the 50% chance of a tie breaker, and that tie breakers can potentially last forever. They did it last year, only had 1 tie breaker but it went to 6 games. Could have been worse (Effort's OSL).


It's also pretty weird to go from one dual format to another right away haha. What was the drawing for then? Could've just gone into standard Bo3 brackets.

Oh well. Still hoping for great games, and LeeSsang to advance!
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
NorbertIzdebski
Profile Joined December 2016
2 Posts
December 17 2016 08:46 GMT
#91
Where can i find exactly place of event in Seul?
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
December 17 2016 09:28 GMT
#92
such crazy good players all in the ro16, this is best offline tournament since the end of progamer starcraft. Super excited for this!
Luv ya BroodWar!
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-17 23:42:05
December 17 2016 23:41 GMT
#93
Just bingewatched Ro24; was super entertaining. And after these matches.... Jaedong fighting!
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
December 17 2016 23:56 GMT
#94
On December 17 2016 17:46 NorbertIzdebski wrote:
Where can i find exactly place of event in Seul?


This is the official ASL2 website:
http://archive.fo/qdrd2

Scroll down and you can see the map (Google maps) to the broadcast location. I have no idea what the street name is in English because it's all in Korean, but if you are there already I bet you can figure it out
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Minkzilla
Profile Joined September 2013
United States17 Posts
December 18 2016 01:55 GMT
#95
so few zergs, which is sad. oh well, I have faith in jaedong. And Hero is a solid player as well.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 21:14:35
December 18 2016 18:51 GMT
#96
+ Show Spoiler [Ro16 Group A] +
On December 14 2016 03:51 AzAlexZ wrote:
Group A: Stork 2-0 Guemchi 2-1
Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1
Group C: Bisu 2-0, Last 2-1
Group D: Rain 2-0, Flash 2-1

so far so good
Faker is the GOAT!
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 21:14:16
December 18 2016 19:22 GMT
#97
+ Show Spoiler [Ro16 Group A] +
Shuttle
Total Annihilation Zero
Varbind
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada113 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 21:14:28
December 18 2016 20:40 GMT
#98
+ Show Spoiler [Ro16 Group A] +
On December 19 2016 03:51 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2016 03:51 AzAlexZ wrote:
Group A: Stork 2-0 Guemchi 2-1
Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1
Group C: Bisu 2-0, Last 2-1
Group D: Rain 2-0, Flash 2-1

so far so good


Wow gutsy call on Guemchi, nice work
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9517 Posts
December 18 2016 21:13 GMT
#99
Guys, let's please not post spoilers in this thread.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 21:17:54
December 18 2016 21:16 GMT
#100
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 18 2016 21:32 GMT
#101
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8594 Posts
December 18 2016 21:46 GMT
#102
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.


Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-19 01:31:14
December 19 2016 01:30 GMT
#103
On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.


Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.


Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance.
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LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
December 19 2016 02:06 GMT
#104
I don't understand this statement on top of the OP. "All spoilers must be in spoiler tags! Spoilers can be named after the group to help direct discussion. Refusal to follow this can result in a warning and/or ban!"

But still the results are displayed in the OP in one scroll down away?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-19 02:15:57
December 19 2016 02:13 GMT
#105
bisudagger living in korea? lol. he has a really good job in america and won't relocate to korea.

if it was up to me, i'd move back to korea and cast bw full-time, but there's just a lot of minor things that i won't elaborate on that makes it worth doing at this current time.
Commentator
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19298 Posts
December 19 2016 02:16 GMT
#106
On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.


Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.


Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance.

I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-19 02:34:32
December 19 2016 02:33 GMT
#107
On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.


Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.


Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance.

I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D

Ah I know who you are And I have watched you before ofc! I just thought that Miragee meant you should become the new studio caster. And I figured: "Huh? He is living in Korea? How did he manage to miss that one broadcast then if he is living in the right timezone"
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19298 Posts
December 19 2016 02:39 GMT
#108
On December 19 2016 11:33 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.


Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.


Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance.

I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D

Ah I know who you are And I have watched you before ofc! I just thought that Miragee meant you should become the new studio caster. And I figured: "Huh? He is living in Korea? How did he manage to miss that one broadcast then if he is living in the right timezone"

Ohhh hahaha yeah. Nope, im half way across the world in a very sleepy timezone!
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miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
December 19 2016 04:54 GMT
#109
Shuttle said he prefers the ID "eyewater", but he used the ID "Shuttle" for the RO16 games...
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
December 19 2016 07:32 GMT
#110
On December 19 2016 13:54 miercat wrote:
Shuttle said he prefers the ID "eyewater", but he used the ID "Shuttle" for the RO16 games...

but why?
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8594 Posts
December 19 2016 10:02 GMT
#111
On December 19 2016 11:33 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.


Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.


Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance.

I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D

Ah I know who you are And I have watched you before ofc! I just thought that Miragee meant you should become the new studio caster. And I figured: "Huh? He is living in Korea? How did he manage to miss that one broadcast then if he is living in the right timezone"


No, that's why I added the "availability" aspect.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 19 2016 13:10 GMT
#112
On December 19 2016 19:02 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 11:33 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote:
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting.

Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game.

As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great.

Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing.

I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable.

Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it.

As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great.


I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub.


Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.


Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance.

I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D

Ah I know who you are And I have watched you before ofc! I just thought that Miragee meant you should become the new studio caster. And I figured: "Huh? He is living in Korea? How did he manage to miss that one broadcast then if he is living in the right timezone"


No, that's why I added the "availability" aspect.

Oh. Honest question here because I'm not sure if I understand the point you've made. You said:
they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill.

I obviously understand your point about name recognition. You think BD is a better caster than them and they only cast because, they're well known and get the viewers. I get that.

But I'm not sure about the "availability over skill" aspect of the quote. You say it like it's some kind of injustice to BD that he can't cast directly from the studio. The whole discussion was about finding another caster who can cast directly from the studio in Korea and I said there are probably no other English casters currently in Korea. Then you started talking about BD and how he is better than them and should cast.
I don't get what you mean with "availability over skill" as if it's something unfair in this context. How can they dismiss availability if they need to find a caster who is either already living in Korea or willing to go to Korea.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8594 Posts
December 19 2016 14:24 GMT
#113
Irrc BD once said he would fly to korea if they gave him a real job. He was probably joking, but still.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 19 2016 14:35 GMT
#114
On December 19 2016 23:24 Miragee wrote:
Irrc BD once said he would fly to korea if they gave him a real job. He was probably joking, but still.

Fair enough
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19298 Posts
December 19 2016 15:05 GMT
#115
On December 19 2016 23:24 Miragee wrote:
Irrc BD once said he would fly to korea if they gave him a real job. He was probably joking, but still.

Maybe that was a while ago, before marriage ^_^. Like GTR mentioned, I have a really secure job, a house, family nearby, and kid on the way. So I'm just happy to talk on the microphone from whatever remote location I'm tuning in from. I would move to Korea if Bisu offered me a position as personal butler. But that's about it.
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Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 22 2016 18:28 GMT
#116
Wohoo, finally internet again after pretty much three weeks. Will be awesome to see the next games...also glad that Jaedong made it through, despite being tainted by EG.
garsh0p
Profile Joined February 2010
United States30 Posts
December 24 2016 13:22 GMT
#117
I'm in Seoul and would like to attend day 3 in person. I saw that the games start at 7pm local time. Does anyone know what time I should try to show up there to be able to get a decent seat?
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
December 24 2016 14:07 GMT
#118
On December 20 2016 00:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2016 23:24 Miragee wrote:
Irrc BD once said he would fly to korea if they gave him a real job. He was probably joking, but still.

Maybe that was a while ago, before marriage ^_^. Like GTR mentioned, I have a really secure job, a house, family nearby, and kid on the way. So I'm just happy to talk on the microphone from whatever remote location I'm tuning in from. I would move to Korea if Bisu offered me a position as personal butler. But that's about it.


So your first born will be named Bisu?
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Varbind
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada113 Posts
December 24 2016 16:37 GMT
#119
On December 24 2016 22:22 garsh0p wrote:
I'm in Seoul and would like to attend day 3 in person. I saw that the games start at 7pm local time. Does anyone know what time I should try to show up there to be able to get a decent seat?


I am jealous, let us know how it goes
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