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Group A: Sunday, Dec 18 10:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9493 Posts
![]() Afreeca Starleague Season 2 Group A: Sunday, Dec 18 10:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![]() | ||
valas991
Hungary181 Posts
Also, JD got his wish, to fight against Best, again. Quite a few mirrors though | ||
shadymmj
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NewbOnTheFloor
Poland160 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
A: Shuttle 2-0, Light 2-1 B: Best 2-0, Mind 2-1 C: Last 2-0, Bisu 2-1 D: Flash 2-0, Rain 2-1 | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
![]() Puh.Hoping for: A: Light/Stork B:Jaedong/Best C:Last/Rush D:Flash/Rain | ||
ndesktop
Romania109 Posts
On December 13 2016 21:46 shadymmj wrote: Group C of death? You mean B of course ![]() | ||
Piste
6174 Posts
Jaedong+Best Bisu+Last Flash+Sun | ||
Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
On December 13 2016 22:27 Dante08 wrote: How was this selected? There was group selection just after Day6. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9493 Posts
On December 13 2016 21:50 NewbOnTheFloor wrote: There's mistake in title I believe. Shouldnt it be "Round of 16 Groups" ? Thanks, fixed ^^ | ||
Miragee
8493 Posts
On December 13 2016 21:46 shadymmj wrote: Group C of death? Yes. I think JD could get out of his group. For hero it's quite a lot harder. Bisu's monstrous PvZ and Last's TvZ... Rush is very solid as well and can surely take a game off of hero in his worst MU. Predictions: Group A: Shuttle & Guemchi (everytime I predict against Guemchi he proved me wrong, I'm done with that...) Group B: Jaedong & Best (fingers crossed, I think it's Mind>JD>Best>Mind) Group C: Last & Bisu Group D: Rain & Flash (hard group, all of them seem to be quite solid at the moment) | ||
NorbertIzdebski
2 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Honestly if you didn't look at the title this could probably have been an oldschool MSL or something. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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DEMACIA6550 Posts
On December 13 2016 23:09 BLinD-RawR wrote: lol Light stuck in his worst nightmare I can relate with Light, gl Light | ||
nurle
Norway308 Posts
I do however think Stork will advance just considering all his experience. Not sure about group B either. Jaedong seems clear but will Best be able to beat any of the terrans? Group C has me concerned for Bisu considering his history with Hero. Also feel sorry for Rush. But he is the weakest link overall anyways. Group D seems the clearest to me. I don't think Sea has any chance what so ever, pretty much same with Movie. So my predictions are: A Stork and Light B Jaedong and Best C Bisu and Last D Flash and Rain Group C is gonna be awesome Last 16 is gonna be sick. Cant wait | ||
Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
I dont think it will be but i hope. | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote: Is Group C on Christmas for real The only people who really celebrate Christmas in Korea are Christians and couples. | ||
Pippah
Denmark353 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On December 14 2016 00:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote: The only people who really celebrate Christmas in Korea are Christians and couples. Do families not use this time of year to get together a bit, or is it a bit like CN where the Lunar New Year's the real deal? | ||
ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote: Is Group C on Christmas for real they've been playing on Christmas for years now | ||
Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On December 14 2016 00:16 IntoTheheart wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2016 00:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote: On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote: Is Group C on Christmas for real The only people who really celebrate Christmas in Korea are Christians and couples. Do families not use this time of year to get together a bit, or is it a bit like CN where the Lunar New Year's the real deal? Yea the two major holidays in Korea are Korean thanksgiving and Lunar New Year and thats when ppl get together with family. | ||
intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3351 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
Group A: Stork, Light Group B: Best, Jaedong Group C: Bisu, Last Group D: Flash, Rain | ||
neilmellor
China49 Posts
If ASL applies the rule of OSL, I guess there will be 3 games for each player against all the opponent in the group and the best two qualify. If players tie after 3 matches, extra game will be executed among 3 players. Any concrete/official information about that? | ||
ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On December 14 2016 02:53 neilmellor wrote: The format of Ro16 is TBD from the wiki. If ASL applies the rule of OSL, I guess there will be 3 games for each player against all the opponent in the group and the best two qualify. If players tie after 3 matches, extra game will be executed among 3 players. Any concrete/official information about that? its the same dual tournament format as the ro24 | ||
usopsama
6502 Posts
Group D is definitely the Group of Death. Group A: Stork. Group B: BeSt is a dangerous opponent. Jaedong, please prepare well for the rematch. Group C: Bisu should be able to advance easily. Last will probably destroy hero for the second spot. Group D: This group is fucking dangerous. Sea, Movie, and Rain are all capable of sniping Flash. Flash, please advance. | ||
lestye
United States4149 Posts
I'm most interested in Group C but I'll probably not be able to watch it live. | ||
neilmellor
China49 Posts
On December 14 2016 03:23 ZeroChrome wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2016 02:53 neilmellor wrote: The format of Ro16 is TBD from the wiki. If ASL applies the rule of OSL, I guess there will be 3 games for each player against all the opponent in the group and the best two qualify. If players tie after 3 matches, extra game will be executed among 3 players. Any concrete/official information about that? its the same dual tournament format as the ro24 thanks, bro. | ||
DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
Group A: Shuttle & Light Group B: Jaedong & Mind Group C: Last & Bisu Group D: Flash & Rain | ||
AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1 Group C: Bisu 2-0, Last 2-1 Group D: Rain 2-0, Flash 2-1 | ||
KenNage
Chile885 Posts
Group B: Jaedong 2-0 BeSt 2-1 Mind 1-2 Sharp 0-2 Group C: Bisu 2-0 Last 2-1 hero 1-2 Rush 0-2 Group D : Flash 2-0 Rain 2-1 Movie 1-2 Sea 0-2 HYPE ! :D | ||
L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
Stork 2-1 Jaedong 2-0 Best 2-1 Bisu 2-0 Last 2-1 Flash 2-0 Sea 2-1 | ||
Comodore
Brazil49 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
guess jd wanted revenge and flash didn't get to play movie | ||
ortseam
996 Posts
Group B: Jaedong, Mind Group C: Bisu, Last Group D: Flash, Sea But damn, I wanted Flash-Bisu finals this time xD | ||
miercat
394 Posts
On December 14 2016 05:02 Comodore wrote: It was luck or the staff decided thar stork, jd, bisu and flash to be in different groups? 3h34m | ||
FyRe_DragOn
Canada2056 Posts
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Lgnarrow
104 Posts
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Miragee
8493 Posts
On December 14 2016 06:25 Lgnarrow wrote: Have never watched brood war, but i guess it's goin to be more exciting than sc2 now :D Welcome! ![]() | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
On December 14 2016 07:17 SlammerIV wrote: Why are movie and flash, jeadong and best still in the same groups? does ASL not do standard practice of switching players who already faced eachother? it's a group selection, where the four originally-seeded players pick the 2nd players in their groups, the 2nd players pick the 3rd players, etc edit: looks like there are some switches at the end though, but in the end the players decide among themselves what the groups will be | ||
IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
Small chance of a LeeSsangRok in the final because of the brackets? Or are AB/CD not different sides? | ||
The_Red_Viper
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
BeSt, Jaedong Bisu, Last Flash, Rain group D seems the most dangerous, though group C is close | ||
TT1
Canada10000 Posts
Mind/BeSt Last/Bisu (could be Last/hero) Sea/Flash | ||
Comodore
Brazil49 Posts
On December 14 2016 05:53 miercat wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2016 05:02 Comodore wrote: It was luck or the staff decided thar stork, jd, bisu and flash to be in different groups? https://youtu.be/dIoFGJpNZKo?t=3h34m17s 3h34m Thanks! I like this thing of picking groups like that. It makes very interesting the group formations and it gives advantage to the actual champion, in theory. | ||
Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
Shuttle Stork Jaedong Best Bisu hero Flash Rain (Yes, I play protoss) I feel bad about not rooting for Sea but Rain played well and in an interesting way.) | ||
Crisium
United States1618 Posts
Group A: Shuttle 2-0 Stork 2-1 Shuttle is a PvP specialist. I will root for Stork, but I could see Shuttle winning even in back in the Kespa days. Shuttle is 3-1 in the Kespa era against Stork. Light is notorious for weak TvP so Storks should prevail, and Guemchi is a wildcard so he could beat anyone but I gotta go for my boy Stork to make it out. Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1 Mind is in top form right now and I don't see anyone in this group beating him. It's sort of a tossup for the other 3, but I'm going with Jaedong because TBLS. I think Sharp could easily advance too but I gotta root for the main 4. Group C: Bisu 2-0, Hero 2-1 Bisu will edge out Hero, but the top 3 players in this group are all very strong so even Last could make it. Still, Hero will advance for the swarm. Group D: Flash 2-0, Rain 2-1 Movie needs his PvZ, so I can't see him win against Rain. While Rain is somewhat new in his return to BW, his game against Effort proved he is back. Never bet against Flash. | ||
foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On December 13 2016 23:59 disciple wrote: Is Group C on Christmas for real Sure why not, NBA have GSW vs Cavs on Christmas day! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
![]() Group B: Jaedong and Sharp (Mind ![]() Group C: Bisu and Last Group D: Flash and Rain | ||
Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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oEkY
Germany648 Posts
btw Sea got to advance please... His courage to pick Flash got to get rewarded! | ||
Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
On December 14 2016 20:30 oEkY wrote: why sharp took mind as his first opponent? Didn't watch it, but Sharp is tvt specialist, while it's Mind's weakes mutchup. | ||
maitiky
Czech Republic54 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 14 2016 20:30 oEkY wrote: I got no sound at my computer these days, can someone who watched the group selections with sound tell me, why sharp took mind as his first opponent? Did he comment that in any way? There would have been lots of weaker players than Mind imo... btw Sea got to advance please... His courage to pick Flash got to get rewarded! will be hard for Sea to advance. He isn't playing too hot at the moment. He might actually be the worst player in the Ro16 currently though I don't know how good people like Guemchi really are and if they 'lucked' through or if they are actually really strong players | ||
Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:15 maitiky wrote: I've never actually watched BroodWar as I pretty much came to SC just a few weeks before release of Wings of Liberty, so I've watched SC2 matches only, but this time I spared some of my free time and watched the Ro24 of this ASL and I must admit that it did impress me. High quality of games, great commentating (with some on point explanations for us, BroodWar noobs) and such an intense atmosphere all around! Looking forward for this Ro16, especially if legends can make it into the playoffs. Will root for Bisu, that guy seems so cool inside and outside of the game! Welcome! I'm sure you won't regret it. In the meantime you can watch the previous ASL as well as OSL/MSL to gain a better understanding of the game and players. | ||
usopsama
6502 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
B: Jaedong, Best C: Bisu, hero D: Flash, Rain | ||
Cele
Germany4016 Posts
B: Mind, Best C: Bisu; hero : Flash, Rain | ||
classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
B: Sharp, Mind C: Rush, Hero D: Sea, Movie | ||
toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
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danielias21
39 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I'm so glad to see the legends return! Group C / D are the toughest, abit sad that they're on the same side of brackets. Lee young ho fighting!! | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 15 2016 02:11 classicyellow83 wrote: A: Guemchi, Light B: Sharp, Mind C: Rush, Hero D: Sea, Movie Your prediction is like the exact opposite of what most other peoples think ![]() | ||
Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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miercat
394 Posts
On December 14 2016 20:30 oEkY wrote: I got no sound at my computer these days, can someone who watched the group selections with sound tell me, why sharp took mind as his first opponent? Did he comment that in any way? There would have been lots of weaker players than Mind imo... btw Sea got to advance please... His courage to pick Flash got to get rewarded! Sharp started by saying he wanted to play vs. a Terran for that match. The commentators interrupt him, and suggest "Flash" as the Terran player. Sharp declines. Out of the available players, I would have expected him to choose Mind or Light, with Light being arguably even weaker, although Sharp already defeated Mind in a series in the last Starleague. Theoretically Sharp may have a relatively equal chance against Mind or Light, however, Mind is probably much stronger than Light when facing strong Zerg and Protoss opponents, and because strong Zerg and Protoss opponents are both more likely to be selected last, and Sharp is perhaps less likely to be favored in either of those matches (as opposed to vs. Mind), selecting Mind might actually increase Sharp's chances of advancing - even if Mind is stronger than Light overall, and stronger specifically vs. Sharp (although I have no idea if this was actually part of his thought process). It's interesting that Sea told Flash to pick Movie instead of Light. Light is very unlikely to effectively cheese, and is even less likely to win a TvT macro game (particularly against Flash) - while Movie on the other hand could quite conceivably take a game off of any Terran with one of his aggressive early/mid game builds. Of course, Sea's general decision making at the selection ceremony seemed extremely questionable, so it's possible there were ulterior motives regarding one or more of his decisions anyways. | ||
Piste
6174 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
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Piste
6174 Posts
On December 16 2016 18:36 Chris_Havoc wrote: 2 groups per week actually. On Sundays & Tuesdays. Oh nice, that's way better! Thanks for correcting me. | ||
classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On December 15 2016 07:33 TheNewEra wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2016 02:11 classicyellow83 wrote: A: Guemchi, Light B: Sharp, Mind C: Rush, Hero D: Sea, Movie Your prediction is like the exact opposite of what most other peoples think ![]() I don't wanna jinx it. | ||
hitthat
Poland2262 Posts
On December 17 2016 01:15 classicyellow83 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2016 07:33 TheNewEra wrote: On December 15 2016 02:11 classicyellow83 wrote: A: Guemchi, Light B: Sharp, Mind C: Rush, Hero D: Sea, Movie Your prediction is like the exact opposite of what most other peoples think ![]() I don't wanna jinx it. You are not konadora, are you? | ||
IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote: So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day? 5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin | ||
IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On December 17 2016 05:16 TheNewEra wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote: So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day? 5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin Ahh, thanks. That's a bit of a shame? Considering how much of a struggle it was to get some of them in the Ro16 I would've liked to see everyone play each other at least once. | ||
mauwee
Vatican City State78 Posts
B: Mind + Jaedong C: Last + Bisu D: Flash + Rain | ||
Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On December 17 2016 05:31 IntoTheEmo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2016 05:16 TheNewEra wrote: On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote: So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day? 5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin Ahh, thanks. That's a bit of a shame? Considering how much of a struggle it was to get some of them in the Ro16 I would've liked to see everyone play each other at least once. Completely agree. Very disappointing. It's only 20% more games in the Ro16 for round robin. Maybe they are worried about the 50% chance of a tie breaker, and that tie breakers can potentially last forever. They did it last year, only had 1 tie breaker but it went to 6 games. Could have been worse (Effort's OSL). | ||
IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On December 17 2016 08:36 Crisium wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2016 05:31 IntoTheEmo wrote: On December 17 2016 05:16 TheNewEra wrote: On December 17 2016 04:58 IntoTheEmo wrote: So they're going to broadcast the entire group per day as opposed to the regular OSL format of 1 game per group per day that ASL 1 used? So 6 games a day? 5 games a day. It's dual format not round robin Ahh, thanks. That's a bit of a shame? Considering how much of a struggle it was to get some of them in the Ro16 I would've liked to see everyone play each other at least once. Completely agree. Very disappointing. It's only 20% more games in the Ro16 for round robin. Maybe they are worried about the 50% chance of a tie breaker, and that tie breakers can potentially last forever. They did it last year, only had 1 tie breaker but it went to 6 games. Could have been worse (Effort's OSL). It's also pretty weird to go from one dual format to another right away haha. What was the drawing for then? Could've just gone into standard Bo3 brackets. Oh well. Still hoping for great games, and LeeSsang to advance! | ||
NorbertIzdebski
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On December 17 2016 17:46 NorbertIzdebski wrote: Where can i find exactly place of event in Seul? This is the official ASL2 website: http://archive.fo/qdrd2 Scroll down and you can see the map (Google maps) to the broadcast location. I have no idea what the street name is in English because it's all in Korean, but if you are there already I bet you can figure it out ![]() | ||
Minkzilla
United States17 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On December 14 2016 03:51 AzAlexZ wrote: Group A: Stork 2-0 Guemchi 2-1 Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1 Group C: Bisu 2-0, Last 2-1 Group D: Rain 2-0, Flash 2-1 so far so good | ||
TaShadan
Germany1965 Posts
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
On December 19 2016 03:51 AzAlexZ wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2016 03:51 AzAlexZ wrote: Group A: Stork 2-0 Guemchi 2-1 Group B: Mind 2-0, Jaedong 2-1 Group C: Bisu 2-0, Last 2-1 Group D: Rain 2-0, Flash 2-1 so far so good Wow gutsy call on Guemchi, nice work | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9493 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. | ||
Miragee
8493 Posts
On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance. | ||
LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
But still the results are displayed in the OP in one scroll down away? | ||
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GTR
51424 Posts
if it was up to me, i'd move back to korea and cast bw full-time, but there's just a lot of minor things that i won't elaborate on that makes it worth doing at this current time. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote: On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance. I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote: On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance. I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D Ah I know who you are ![]() ![]() | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On December 19 2016 11:33 TheNewEra wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote: On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote: On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance. I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D Ah I know who you are ![]() ![]() Ohhh hahaha yeah. Nope, im half way across the world in a very sleepy timezone! ![]() | ||
miercat
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On December 19 2016 13:54 miercat wrote: Shuttle said he prefers the ID "eyewater", but he used the ID "Shuttle" for the RO16 games... but why? | ||
Miragee
8493 Posts
On December 19 2016 11:33 TheNewEra wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote: On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote: On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance. I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D Ah I know who you are ![]() ![]() No, that's why I added the "availability" aspect. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 19 2016 19:02 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 11:33 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 11:16 BisuDagger wrote: On December 19 2016 10:30 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:46 Miragee wrote: On December 19 2016 06:32 TheNewEra wrote: On December 19 2016 06:16 neobowman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Aight, just some criticism on the Artosis/Rapid casting. Would it be possible for Afreeca to put in someone who's knowledgable about Brood War to co-cast with Artosis? I have nothing against Rapid, but he seems a bit ill-equipped to cocast this tourney. I'm sure there's a fair number of english speakers who would be better versed in the game. As for Rapid himself, I love the effort and passion he's putting into his casts. That said, I would recommend he stick with more play-by-play and questions rather than trying to analyze. I have a feeling he's been trying to do this and it's tough to stick with that for 5 games. But stuff like, "Looks like player A is moving in with his forces, and here's a big fight, blah blah, it looks like player B has won the engagement. What do you think the game position is now Artosis?"would be great. Actually, I don't mind analyzing at all if he puts it in the form of a question. Something like "So from what I'm getting, it appears that Player A is ahead because of the engagement he won there. Is that enough to push the game in his favour or does Player B still have the edge?" There, you have an opportunity to add in opinion and at the same time, let Artosis chime in and clarify the situation. I think that would be amazing. I totally understand the accommodation for SC2 viewers. I have no problems with that. It's a tad annoying for those familiar with BW but eh, it's manageable. Again, I love the effort and passion. Keep at it. As for the name Eyewater, he clarified why he uses it in the last ASL's champion interview. After hearing why he uses it, I think it's great. I think if there was a better English speaking caster for Brood War in Korea we would have already heard of him. And the community would have already demanded him to cast. So no I think it's just Tastosis + Rapid as sub. Yeah, what? BisuDagger is doing a much better job atm. He is far from perfect but yeah, he is a lot better. As it is, they even canceled him out for Tastosis in the ASL finals in the last second. So no, they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. Sorry! I actually didn't know that BisuDagger is living in Korea. Yeah then I don't understand why they don't give him a chance. I do not live in korea. I live in the USA, but I am a paid AfreecaTV caster for the ASL. I hope you get a chance to tune in sometine. :D Ah I know who you are ![]() ![]() No, that's why I added the "availability" aspect. Oh. Honest question here because I'm not sure if I understand the point you've made. You said: they only go with name recognition and availability instead of skill. I obviously understand your point about name recognition. You think BD is a better caster than them and they only cast because, they're well known and get the viewers. I get that. But I'm not sure about the "availability over skill" aspect of the quote. You say it like it's some kind of injustice to BD that he can't cast directly from the studio. The whole discussion was about finding another caster who can cast directly from the studio in Korea and I said there are probably no other English casters currently in Korea. Then you started talking about BD and how he is better than them and should cast. I don't get what you mean with "availability over skill" as if it's something unfair in this context. How can they dismiss availability if they need to find a caster who is either already living in Korea or willing to go to Korea. | ||
Miragee
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On December 19 2016 23:24 Miragee wrote: Irrc BD once said he would fly to korea if they gave him a real job. He was probably joking, but still. ![]() Fair enough ![]() | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On December 19 2016 23:24 Miragee wrote: Irrc BD once said he would fly to korea if they gave him a real job. He was probably joking, but still. ![]() Maybe that was a while ago, before marriage ^_^. Like GTR mentioned, I have a really secure job, a house, family nearby, and kid on the way. So I'm just happy to talk on the microphone from whatever remote location I'm tuning in from. I would move to Korea if Bisu offered me a position as personal butler. But that's about it. | ||
Lucumo
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garsh0p
United States30 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:05 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2016 23:24 Miragee wrote: Irrc BD once said he would fly to korea if they gave him a real job. He was probably joking, but still. ![]() Maybe that was a while ago, before marriage ^_^. Like GTR mentioned, I have a really secure job, a house, family nearby, and kid on the way. So I'm just happy to talk on the microphone from whatever remote location I'm tuning in from. I would move to Korea if Bisu offered me a position as personal butler. But that's about it. So your first born will be named Bisu? | ||
Varbind
Canada113 Posts
On December 24 2016 22:22 garsh0p wrote: I'm in Seoul and would like to attend day 3 in person. I saw that the games start at 7pm local time. Does anyone know what time I should try to show up there to be able to get a decent seat? I am jealous, let us know how it goes ![]() | ||
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