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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 11:25:58
August 04 2016 11:22 GMT
#481
On August 04 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:
Its hard to keep up more than 55% win rate in tvz. Everyone has a god like muta micro and knows that they need many defilers and drop upgrades. People start dropping after 15 min mark. Terran has to have 4 base fully running within 15 min and start building turrets.

Not only that. Everyone makes like 7 hatcheries at 3rd base and spam lings. Also they have insane amount of drones like terran. Therefore they can macro as good as terrans late mech switch.

Since zerg wasted all the resources for zerglings, gas will be used for ultra queen switch with air carapace.

Please take a look at my Zerg vs Terran (cash games; $20/game) in my past broadcast video.


edit: Strongly biased post. Even Flash has said TvZ on FS is highly terran favored.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
August 04 2016 12:02 GMT
#482
On August 04 2016 20:22 B-royal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:
Its hard to keep up more than 55% win rate in tvz. Everyone has a god like muta micro and knows that they need many defilers and drop upgrades. People start dropping after 15 min mark. Terran has to have 4 base fully running within 15 min and start building turrets.

Not only that. Everyone makes like 7 hatcheries at 3rd base and spam lings. Also they have insane amount of drones like terran. Therefore they can macro as good as terrans late mech switch.

Since zerg wasted all the resources for zerglings, gas will be used for ultra queen switch with air carapace.

Please take a look at my Zerg vs Terran (cash games; $20/game) in my past broadcast video.


edit: Strongly biased post. Even Flash has said TvZ on FS is highly terran favored.

Im not talking about map here.
Yes fs is highly terran favored i knew this very long time ago.
So what is your main point? I do not understand much.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
August 04 2016 12:34 GMT
#483
The hype is getting to unbearable levels.

Watching old FPVODs that Blade put up in 2009 and dreaming of the day the Dong streams on Afreeca so I can witness his god tier mechanics in high quality HD VODs.

It's so hype I went back and read Plexa's begrudging Final Edit on him in 2009, and camped his Liquipedia page just to read all the mechanics memes.

The Tyrant is the reason I fell in love with StarCraft.

High level BW is like riding a unicycle across a tightrope while having a fencing match with the dude crashing towards you from the other side.

And Jaedong can triage like no other player . Absolutely incredible mouse precision and screen management. Always clutch when he needs to be.

Hyyyyppeeee traaaiiiinnn!!!! Jaedong fighting! Can't wait until November.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
August 04 2016 13:06 GMT
#484
I just watched the vods...

Donglings? Check. Godlike muta micro? Check. Crisp defiler micro? Check. Intensity up to 11? Check.

The hype, it's taking over lol.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
August 04 2016 14:14 GMT
#485
I want to see jaedong death stare again.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 14:28:11
August 04 2016 14:24 GMT
#486
On August 04 2016 21:02 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2016 20:22 B-royal wrote:
On August 04 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:
Its hard to keep up more than 55% win rate in tvz. Everyone has a god like muta micro and knows that they need many defilers and drop upgrades. People start dropping after 15 min mark. Terran has to have 4 base fully running within 15 min and start building turrets.

Not only that. Everyone makes like 7 hatcheries at 3rd base and spam lings. Also they have insane amount of drones like terran. Therefore they can macro as good as terrans late mech switch.

Since zerg wasted all the resources for zerglings, gas will be used for ultra queen switch with air carapace.

Please take a look at my Zerg vs Terran (cash games; $20/game) in my past broadcast video.


edit: Strongly biased post. Even Flash has said TvZ on FS is highly terran favored.

Im not talking about map here.
Yes fs is highly terran favored i knew this very long time ago.
So what is your main point? I do not understand much.


My main point is that this single post was quite biased.
You claimed it is hard to get a 55% win rate in tvz but meanwhile all the top terrans have more than solid win rates vs zerg while one of the top 3 zergs hero can't even get a win rate >50% (40.4%).
You mentioned that all zergs have god like muta micro as if that's supposed to support your argument. Instead, maybe you were just playing against players that are better than you?
Finally, fighting spirit is one of the most highly played maps currently and you also assent to it being terran favored, which clashes with your first point.

Also, your sentence of zerg "wasting" resources doesn't make a lot of sense since it implies that it is ineffective.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 04 2016 16:55 GMT
#487
It's ok. Once the dong returns he will bring balance to the force. He is the chosen one
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
August 04 2016 17:21 GMT
#488
On August 04 2016 21:02 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2016 20:22 B-royal wrote:
On August 04 2016 11:43 LaStScan wrote:
Its hard to keep up more than 55% win rate in tvz. Everyone has a god like muta micro and knows that they need many defilers and drop upgrades. People start dropping after 15 min mark. Terran has to have 4 base fully running within 15 min and start building turrets.

Not only that. Everyone makes like 7 hatcheries at 3rd base and spam lings. Also they have insane amount of drones like terran. Therefore they can macro as good as terrans late mech switch.

Since zerg wasted all the resources for zerglings, gas will be used for ultra queen switch with air carapace.

Please take a look at my Zerg vs Terran (cash games; $20/game) in my past broadcast video.


edit: Strongly biased post. Even Flash has said TvZ on FS is highly terran favored.

Im not talking about map here.
Yes fs is highly terran favored i knew this very long time ago.
So what is your main point? I do not understand much.


We're talking about fs being the problem because it is imprinted in everyone's minds that FS is universal map. Pros still use FS for sponsored matchups. Heck the 99% of fish ladder also uses FS. This makes TVZ imba as hell.

I mean Piano said "if its on fs, i have good chance vs bisu"
Life is just life
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 17:32:30
August 04 2016 17:30 GMT
#489
JiKo playing Best right now.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 04 2016 17:41 GMT
#490
Best losing badly..... =(
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 04 2016 17:45 GMT
#491
Best just killed all the drones at jiko's 4th
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
August 04 2016 17:48 GMT
#492
"Jiko" has some godly mechanics for some random noob.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 04 2016 17:57 GMT
#493
GG!!!! Best wins!!! Wow Best's Macro is insane.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 04 2016 17:57 GMT
#494
They just started second game.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 04 2016 18:00 GMT
#495
On August 04 2016 23:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I want to see jaedong death stare again.

I wanna see him drowning in sweat at the end of a long macro game again.
classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
August 04 2016 18:01 GMT
#496
On August 05 2016 03:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2016 23:14 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I want to see jaedong death stare again.

I wanna see him drowning in sweat at the end of a long macro game again.

I think I just got aroused
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
August 04 2016 18:04 GMT
#497
lol, you guys
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 04 2016 18:07 GMT
#498
Dat drone vs. zealot micro at 6 o clock wow.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 04 2016 18:14 GMT
#499
Best up 2-0 now. jiko stomped in game 2. Lings dancing around in Best's main in game 3.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 04 2016 18:17 GMT
#500
Stream froze for me with jiko mutas and scourge over Best's nat, no mining at the nat so Best on 1 base vs. 4 for jiko?
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