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lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
May 16 2016 15:46 GMT
#81
SC2 is a different game requiring a different skillset. There was no reason to expect every great BW player to be great at SC2 and there was no reason to expect everyone who enjoyed BW to enjoy SC2. These two errors were huge reasons why the actions of Blizzard in Korea could only be seen as belligerent and counter-productive.

Jaedong was already past his prime when professional BW came to an end. It would be naive to suggest that going back to BW is something that he would do primarily to be on top again. And while it is well known that players have dropped off in the past as a result of losing passion, no matter what game they were playing, that doesn't really explain why a player would quit a game he has played professionally for four years to return to a game he played professionally for seven years. Indeed, there's no reason to think he ever stopped playing BW to begin with.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 16 2016 16:03 GMT
#82
On May 17 2016 00:46 lolmlg wrote:
SC2 is a different game requiring a different skillset. There was no reason to expect every great BW player to be great at SC2 and there was no reason to expect everyone who enjoyed BW to enjoy SC2. These two errors were huge reasons why the actions of Blizzard in Korea could only be seen as belligerent and counter-productive.

Jaedong was already past his prime when professional BW came to an end. It would be naive to suggest that going back to BW is something that he would do primarily to be on top again. And while it is well known that players have dropped off in the past as a result of losing passion, no matter what game they were playing, that doesn't really explain why a player would quit a game he has played professionally for four years to return to a game he played professionally for seven years. Indeed, there's no reason to think he ever stopped playing BW to begin with.


Exactly this. They were "forced" to switch because Blizzard and Kespa probably thought the games were similar because both have "Starcraft" in their names, but the fanbase in korea (I live in korea and asked multiple people about this too) and here quickly realized that it was not the case, those games were different and it just didn't make much sense to force pros to play a different game. It was no different than suddenly making cs:go players switch to something like tf2 just because both games are shooters.

Doesn't mean that one or the other is bad, just different, so it felt very natural for me to get bored of sc2 very quickly at the time even though I was extremely excited for it. I felt sad and disappointed but I just realized that I should keep playing sc1 because it was the game I enjoyed and there was no reason for me to feel sad since I could just keep playing it, and I feel it's the same for the pros now like flash and jaedong.
BaronVonOwn
Profile Joined April 2011
299 Posts
May 16 2016 16:06 GMT
#83
On May 17 2016 00:42 Essbee wrote:
1.6 is way closer to cs:go than bw is to sc2. People think bw is similar to sc2 just because of the name, if you've played both games you would know that they are entirely different, like, not even close. Cs:go and 1.6 are similar enough so that successful players from one game can easily translate their skills to the other one. Hell, even the maps are basically the same.

You know.... I was going somewhere with this, but it's sadly useless to argue it anymore so I'll just stop Ultimately I may just need to follow Jaedong back to the best game ever made.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
May 16 2016 16:55 GMT
#84
On May 16 2016 20:01 atrox_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 18:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 16 2016 17:08 atrox_ wrote:
can they all rally together to get FanTaSy to stream please thanks

Fantasy already said he has no plans on streaming and he's going to be doing his service (as a cop I believe) towards the end of the year.


oh ): thanks for the update. I wont forget you Jung Myung-hoon

He did say that he wants to return o esports after his service though, not sure in which capacity.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
May 16 2016 17:04 GMT
#85
On May 16 2016 21:25 serojja wrote:
Does anyone know what is Jangbi currently doing?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/491215-jangbi-to-military
don't wall off against random
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
May 16 2016 18:36 GMT
#86
I'm gonna miss seeing the guy on the international stage if all of this is true

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PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
May 16 2016 19:25 GMT
#87
But you all know somwhere in your mind that this day will come sooner or later. Nothing lasts forever sadly and I wish there was a better video documentation of the events. But new generation of pros are comming and you cannot stop that.
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
May 16 2016 19:29 GMT
#88
Doesn't Jaedong have to do military service soon?
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
May 16 2016 19:41 GMT
#89
On May 17 2016 01:55 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:01 atrox_ wrote:
On May 16 2016 18:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 16 2016 17:08 atrox_ wrote:
can they all rally together to get FanTaSy to stream please thanks

Fantasy already said he has no plans on streaming and he's going to be doing his service (as a cop I believe) towards the end of the year.


oh ): thanks for the update. I wont forget you Jung Myung-hoon

He did say that he wants to return o esports after his service though, not sure in which capacity.


As a developer.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
May 16 2016 19:45 GMT
#90
All these Broodwar Nutters foaming at the mouth at the idea of Jaedong playing BW. I would be all for it if I saw any future in it. Unless BW is now bigger than sc2 somehow. Not to mention he hasn't been playing that game. You can't just go back to different RTS with different hotkeys like nothing happened.

If he's lost interest for good, I hope he finds the right path in the next chapter of his life.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
May 16 2016 20:35 GMT
#91
On May 17 2016 04:45 TRaFFiC wrote:
All these Broodwar Nutters foaming at the mouth at the idea of Jaedong playing BW. I would be all for it if I saw any future in it. Unless BW is now bigger than sc2 somehow. Not to mention he hasn't been playing that game. You can't just go back to different RTS with different hotkeys like nothing happened.

If he's lost interest for good, I hope he finds the right path in the next chapter of his life.


Flash went back and pretty damn quickly got to the top beating some of the best players left. I imagine JD could do the same.

Plus balloons.
Joker1
Profile Joined December 2015
France11 Posts
May 17 2016 01:55 GMT
#92
Good news :D
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 02:10:43
May 17 2016 02:10 GMT
#93
If the amounts of money you can make from streaming BW on Afreeca mentioned are true, and I don't doubt they are, I think an old familiar name like JD could be living off it and getting some savings for the time it lasts. Quite decent sums and probably much more than he can get from EG and Korean tournaments right now since he hasn't been at the top level for a long time.

I'm all for it since the other option looks more and more to be quiet retirement. It would be foolish to dream of BW becoming a big esport even in Korea again let alone anywhere else but as long as there is an interested audience that likes to reminisce, give them what they want.
ndesktop
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Romania109 Posts
May 17 2016 13:04 GMT
#94
I don't think money can be a reason for JD to be active in BW again (although they don't hurt). Most likely is to enjoy the game, and I never saw JD enjoying SC2 (except maybe when he defeated Naniwa). Fact is, if he joined a clan and started blasting protosses, there is still a spark there.
I'm still watching the PDP POP game 5 against Snow regularly (the one with cracklings letting Nexus with 5 hp and 2 defiler defense against protoss Snow-ball) and I bet he can regain the pleasure of the game one more time.
Mine more minerals.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 13:11:27
May 17 2016 13:11 GMT
#95
Whatever makes JD happy makes me happy. He seemed pretty depressed in SC2. I'm gonna cheer for him regardless of what he's gonna play.
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 13:20:56
May 17 2016 13:20 GMT
#96
I don't think JD seemed particularly depressed in SC2 but he just dropped to a lower level and took lots of time off eventually to retire. If you watch the State of Play doc, he says nothing about passion or love towards BW either. Instead (and I think this is rather inspiring) there is the quote about not really playing for fun but mostly for work. I imagine he still has some love for what he's been doing successfully for so long but I wouldn't project your own attitudes into him like you seem to be doing here.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19367 Posts
May 17 2016 14:22 GMT
#97
I think this thread ran its course on the SC2 forums. Moving to the BW forums now where it should have been posted.

@BW posters, please ignore the ignorant posts by certain people in here.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
May 17 2016 14:23 GMT
#98
On May 17 2016 22:20 nighcol wrote:
I wouldn't project your own attitudes into him like you seem to be doing here.

Great statement.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 14:59:22
May 17 2016 14:58 GMT
#99
On May 17 2016 23:22 BisuDagger wrote:
I think this thread ran its course on the SC2 forums. Moving to the BW forums now where it should have been posted.

@BW posters, please ignore the ignorant posts by certain people in here.


I had to laugh a lot about this wording. Hilarious
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 17 2016 15:14 GMT
#100
Does anyone have VODs of JD right now, or are they super hard to find because:
1. nobody casts them
2. not sure what his ID is?
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