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Rainmansc
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands216 Posts
May 16 2016 12:33 GMT
#61
On May 16 2016 20:08 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
I mean at this point we need to see and support the new generation of players and the upcomming foreigners. You can never hype the only generation of players. But alot of ppl using it as an excuse to bash SC2

No problem for me that JD is going back to BW. But my problem is using it as a excuse of random forum users to force their opinion to others...

Which new generation of players are you talking about? There's no top new players, even Life is gone. I think we shuold face the fact that sc2 is past its prime for 2 years now. There won't be a new swell of new top players.
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
May 16 2016 12:38 GMT
#62
On May 16 2016 21:33 Rainmansc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:08 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
I mean at this point we need to see and support the new generation of players and the upcomming foreigners. You can never hype the only generation of players. But alot of ppl using it as an excuse to bash SC2

No problem for me that JD is going back to BW. But my problem is using it as a excuse of random forum users to force their opinion to others...

Which new generation of players are you talking about? There's no top new players, even Life is gone. I think we shuold face the fact that sc2 is past its prime for 2 years now. There won't be a new swell of new top players.


Not in the Korean scene no, but, with the WCS life support format we're getting some new foreigners doing quite well.
mappostorm
Profile Joined May 2016
3 Posts
May 16 2016 12:45 GMT
#63
Since 1v1 RTS games are not as popular as it once was I really wish jaedong and flash would shift their eyes to fighting games as it's still a 1v1 game. With street fighter 5 being fresh and new I really think they could perform well in that game and they have many transferable skills(finger speed, reactions, mind games etc.).

Their popularity could also help grow the Korean fighting game scene.

I mean infiltration started competitive street fighter at age 25 and became one of the greatest players ever. With flash and jaedong being so talented and hard working who knows what they could accomplish.

Well...one can dream
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
May 16 2016 12:50 GMT
#64
leessangrok!
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4157 Posts
May 16 2016 12:53 GMT
#65
sorry for offtopic but is bisu still playing/streaming BW or he retired completely ?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 16 2016 12:54 GMT
#66
Apparently FlaSh is enjoying himself, so why not? :D
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PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
May 16 2016 13:04 GMT
#67
On May 16 2016 21:33 Rainmansc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 20:08 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
I mean at this point we need to see and support the new generation of players and the upcomming foreigners. You can never hype the only generation of players. But alot of ppl using it as an excuse to bash SC2

No problem for me that JD is going back to BW. But my problem is using it as a excuse of random forum users to force their opinion to others...

Which new generation of players are you talking about? There's no top new players, even Life is gone. I think we shuold face the fact that sc2 is past its prime for 2 years now. There won't be a new swell of new top players.


There are new rising stars in EU and NA and even in korea. Hopefully there will be some more drafts. Jesusi christ stop living in the past. Everyone will retire or stop playing the game at some point. And new players will come.

The biggest wall is comming from ppl like you? My favorite player reitred? dead gaem, new player? noob...

You don't even give new guys the cachne. Feedback from LotV is positive. Viewership is okay, EU and NA players are finally have chance to compete? What more you want lol
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 13:08:29
May 16 2016 13:08 GMT
#68
wrong thread sorry
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
May 16 2016 13:18 GMT
#69
On May 16 2016 21:53 M2 wrote:
sorry for offtopic but is bisu still playing/streaming BW or he retired completely ?


he's streaming right now!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 16 2016 14:05 GMT
#70
On May 16 2016 16:33 JackONeill wrote:
I'm glad to see that JDG expressed SC2 isn't fun anymore. Usually when pros are quitting they don't say that they lost interest in the game/they don't feel it's fun anymore, but if every pro that retired did state it semi-officially maybe that'd have some weight on the dev team continuing to ruin the game :V


Or he just got bored of the game? He's been playing competitively for a long ass time (over 10 years I believe now?). He enjoyed sc2 and then grew bored of it. Whether it's because of the game or he's just tired of competing, doesn't make sc2 a bad game.

I didn't quit sc2 because it was a bad game (especially now when it's at it's peak). I quit because after 5 years of playing, I just got sick of it. I still watch sc2 and enjoy the matches at times.
When I think of something else, something will go here
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
May 16 2016 14:36 GMT
#71
On May 16 2016 13:41 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
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On May 16 2016 13:29 c3rberUs wrote:
(7) Jaedong has recently played sc1 and even joined a clan, trying to disguise himself as a ordinary user.

This won't work for long. Imagine the godlike muta micro dissecting you every time you play this random zerg user.

Thank you very much for the translation/s!

To elaborate on (7) Jaedong joined the clan disguised as an ordinary user and after he revealed he was jaedong, they told him to stop making shit up.

Hahaha! sounds like a scene out of a typical Korean film.
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
May 16 2016 14:37 GMT
#72
don't think they are missing the actual game broodwar as much as they are missing their success in it, it just hasn't translated as well as they thought it would... not meeting expectations makes anybody unhappy
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 16 2016 14:42 GMT
#73
On May 16 2016 23:37 ROOTFayth wrote:
don't think they are missing the actual game broodwar as much as they are missing their success in it, it just hasn't translated as well as they thought it would... not meeting expectations makes anybody unhappy


It could be the other way around, you can't train as hard on a game that you don't find fun to play, hence you don't get as much success.
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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
May 16 2016 14:58 GMT
#74
It is a possibility I suppose, I did enjoy broodwar more than SC2 but also had a fair bit more success so I might be biased too, I just wish they would make warcraft 4 at this point so we have a healthy competitive RTS scene instead of a decaying one
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
May 16 2016 15:15 GMT
#75
On May 16 2016 23:37 ROOTFayth wrote:
don't think they are missing the actual game broodwar as much as they are missing their success in it, it just hasn't translated as well as they thought it would... not meeting expectations makes anybody unhappy

This is spot on.
Of course the likes of FlaSh, Jaedong and Bisu love BW more, they were hugely successful in it.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
BaronVonOwn
Profile Joined April 2011
299 Posts
May 16 2016 15:25 GMT
#76
On May 16 2016 23:37 ROOTFayth wrote:
don't think they are missing the actual game broodwar as much as they are missing their success in it, it just hasn't translated as well as they thought it would... not meeting expectations makes anybody unhappy

And yet all the great players from 1.6 are doing just fine in CSGO. Are we really going to shift the blame to Jaedong, FlaSh etc.? And let's not forget dudes like Jangbi, Stork, and Bisu who were just like yeah fuck this shit... There's nothing wrong with SC2, they're just bad at the game, right?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 16 2016 15:32 GMT
#77
On May 17 2016 00:25 BaronVonOwn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 23:37 ROOTFayth wrote:
don't think they are missing the actual game broodwar as much as they are missing their success in it, it just hasn't translated as well as they thought it would... not meeting expectations makes anybody unhappy

And yet all the great players from 1.6 are doing just fine in CSGO. Are we really going to shift the blame to Jaedong, FlaSh etc.? And let's not forget dudes like Jangbi, Stork, and Bisu who were just like yeah fuck this shit... There's nothing wrong with SC2, they're just bad at the game, right?


It's a different game, enough said. Much more so different than between 1.6 and CS:GO.

If they feel that they are going to do better or be happier in Brood War, then that's fine. That's where they truly shined after all.

Starcraft 2 is a good game in its own right, but don't expect every Brood War player to love it. It's not good or bad, it's just different. That means that taste comes into play, hence people going back to Brood War.
maru lover forever
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 16 2016 15:42 GMT
#78
On May 17 2016 00:25 BaronVonOwn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 23:37 ROOTFayth wrote:
don't think they are missing the actual game broodwar as much as they are missing their success in it, it just hasn't translated as well as they thought it would... not meeting expectations makes anybody unhappy

And yet all the great players from 1.6 are doing just fine in CSGO. Are we really going to shift the blame to Jaedong, FlaSh etc.? And let's not forget dudes like Jangbi, Stork, and Bisu who were just like yeah fuck this shit... There's nothing wrong with SC2, they're just bad at the game, right?


1.6 is way closer to cs:go than bw is to sc2. People think bw is similar to sc2 just because of the name, if you've played both games you would know that they are entirely different, like, not even close. Cs:go and 1.6 are similar enough so that successful players from one game can easily translate their skills to the other one. Hell, even the maps are basically the same.
Primelot
Profile Joined January 2014
51 Posts
May 16 2016 15:44 GMT
#79
On May 16 2016 22:04 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 21:33 Rainmansc wrote:
On May 16 2016 20:08 PharaphobiaSC wrote:
I mean at this point we need to see and support the new generation of players and the upcomming foreigners. You can never hype the only generation of players. But alot of ppl using it as an excuse to bash SC2

No problem for me that JD is going back to BW. But my problem is using it as a excuse of random forum users to force their opinion to others...

Which new generation of players are you talking about? There's no top new players, even Life is gone. I think we shuold face the fact that sc2 is past its prime for 2 years now. There won't be a new swell of new top players.


There are new rising stars in EU and NA and even in korea. Hopefully there will be some more drafts. Jesusi christ stop living in the past. Everyone will retire or stop playing the game at some point. And new players will come.

The biggest wall is comming from ppl like you? My favorite player reitred? dead gaem, new player? noob...

You don't even give new guys the cachne. Feedback from LotV is positive. Viewership is okay, EU and NA players are finally have chance to compete? What more you want lol


Thanks for posting this, the negativity from some old BW Fanboys or even Elite Korean SC2 one and only is just going extremly on my balls and this negativity isn't helping anybody at all, remeber the daed game shit? Did it something positive or anything? Not at all. I don't like Blizzards Sc2 Aproach sometimes still we get new Talent, in EU and NA, watched Today's DH Final? Nerchio vs Showtime was fuckign awesome and really good Games. Foreigners arent just shit like the haters always say, the Numbers where good for SC2. The Viewers are still higher then Heroes which is supported so fuckign heavy since 1 Years and even the Heartstone Viewers are on the same Level as the Sc2 ones? Where is that Game Dead anywhere? I don't get this People who are just bashing most of the Time. If you don't like Sc2 don't watch it and play BW or just watch GSL/ SSL and fap on Koreans ffs.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 15:51:17
May 16 2016 15:45 GMT
#80
On May 16 2016 23:42 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 23:37 ROOTFayth wrote:
don't think they are missing the actual game broodwar as much as they are missing their success in it, it just hasn't translated as well as they thought it would... not meeting expectations makes anybody unhappy


It could be the other way around, you can't train as hard on a game that you don't find fun to play, hence you don't get as much success.

I think both are true, which makes it a rather self-defeating cycle. He isn't doing well because he lost interest in the game, and he lost some interest because he isn't doing well.

With the changes to the WCS region locking and the lack of global events that allow Koreans, Jaedong needed a big change in lifestyle for him to compete and get exposure in Korea. His old lifestyle was decent for competing in the global events that he can no longer do, but it seems he has no interest in joining any Korean teams. There isn't much he can do with SC2 right now given his circumstances.

Maybe he should attend Homestory Cup and go off with a bang as a gift for his fans. Even if he bombs out, it would be cool to see his shining personality interact with the foreign community one last time.
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