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On March 27 2017 02:05 Uvantak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 00:50 Cele wrote:On March 26 2017 14:47 tec27 wrote:Just to give you all an update given the announcements today, work on ShieldBattery will definitely be continuing  We have a bunch of stuff just about ready for another update, but depending on 1.18's timing it may take a bit to get out. 1.18 will require us to re-do a bunch of work to make our interactions with the game work again, but we'll get that done as fast as possible (although we can only start once we've actually received the new patch). We'll get that done ASAP, though, and get a new version out as soon as we can. i don't want to sound negative, but with SC:R coming, which uncludes modern OS support and such, what exactly is the reason people will still use SB? There might be many reasons, there might be few, it depends on the quality of things Blizz can offer with their servers, over the Passion of SB Devs. Given the history of all games, I would easily pick SB and community handled servers and projects over Blizz stuff.
Yah like I can understand the hype of SC:R and all the new features along with it but people need to not write off Shieldbattery. We literally do not know what Shieldbattery's ladder/matchmaking system will be like, nor do we know what Blizzard's will be like. Plus the official word is that SB is going forward, so that is all you need to really know.
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Hyrule19208 Posts
It might end up in a CS situation, where there's official servers for the filthy casuals and then the 3rd party servers for the super cereal players
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On March 27 2017 02:56 tofucake wrote:
It might end up in a CS situation, where there's official servers for the filthy casuals and then the 3rd party servers for the super cereal players
I eat cereal for breakfast every freaking day.
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On March 27 2017 03:03 starithm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 02:56 tofucake wrote:
It might end up in a CS situation, where there's official servers for the filthy casuals and then the 3rd party servers for the super cereal players I eat cereal for breakfast every freaking day.
Not the healthiest choice. Try some steel cut oats with fruits or some greek yogurt with oats.
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On March 27 2017 03:08 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 03:03 starithm wrote:On March 27 2017 02:56 tofucake wrote:
It might end up in a CS situation, where there's official servers for the filthy casuals and then the 3rd party servers for the super cereal players I eat cereal for breakfast every freaking day. Not the healthiest choice. Try some steel cut oats with fruits or some greek yogurt with oats.
You are sounding too much of a normie Tofucake, be careful!
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Hyrule19208 Posts
On March 27 2017 05:38 Uvantak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 03:08 SCC-Faust wrote:On March 27 2017 03:03 starithm wrote:On March 27 2017 02:56 tofucake wrote:
It might end up in a CS situation, where there's official servers for the filthy casuals and then the 3rd party servers for the super cereal players I eat cereal for breakfast every freaking day. Not the healthiest choice. Try some steel cut oats with fruits or some greek yogurt with oats. You are sounding too much of a normie Tofucake, be careful!
What?
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I eat toast for breakfast
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On March 27 2017 03:08 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 03:03 starithm wrote:On March 27 2017 02:56 tofucake wrote:
It might end up in a CS situation, where there's official servers for the filthy casuals and then the 3rd party servers for the super cereal players I eat cereal for breakfast every freaking day. Not the healthiest choice. Try some steel cut oats with fruits or some greek yogurt with oats.
Okay, I'll try those. Thanks.
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On March 27 2017 00:50 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2017 14:47 tec27 wrote:Just to give you all an update given the announcements today, work on ShieldBattery will definitely be continuing We have a bunch of stuff just about ready for another update, but depending on 1.18's timing it may take a bit to get out. 1.18 will require us to re-do a bunch of work to make our interactions with the game work again, but we'll get that done as fast as possible (although we can only start once we've actually received the new patch). We'll get that done ASAP, though, and get a new version out as soon as we can. i don't want to sound negative, but with SC:R coming, which uncludes modern OS support and such, what exactly is the reason people will still use SB?
Brood War has never needed Blizzard to provide these things, and I think it's dangerous for us to rely on them too heavily. They've never proven a benevolent force for BW in the past, and as nice as it would seem for them to wholly change on that overnight and keep that new vision for perpetuity, it's not likely. If we want this game to survive it's 20th, 30th, 40th year, if we want to be teaching our children and grandchildren how to Forge FE, to be watching Korean pros pushing the metagame even in our old age, we need to be building and maintaining infrastructure for it that will outlive a corporation's fleeting interest.
ShieldBattery is that infrastructure. It is by the community, for the community, free of Blizzard's oversight or interference, and can easily live on as long as there are people interested in playing the game. We can, and have, for many of them, already provide the features Blizzard is providing with 1.18, and for a lot of these things, ShieldBattery has better solutions than what Blizzard is giving you. Our windowed mode can scale to different resolutions and provides full-screen windowed mode, and is also easy to stream, all things theirs cannot provide. Our hosting solution fixes hosting for *everyone* and does so without exposing your IP, they only provide UPnP. We had a brand new obs mode ready for our next release, but I guess they scooped us on that one
In the very near future, we'll be releasing things that they've only as-of-yet promised with no details, and we'll be doing so with actual community input into them. Our matchmaking system will be in testing very shortly (not "summer"!), and we're moving forward on a better map selection and hosting system than exists in BW or SC2. From there we have a number of ideas on how our service can provide the best-in-class experience for our users, which includes a number of integrated features that surpass anything you'd find even in more modern games. These features are what will set ShieldBattery apart from Blizzard's experience, and make it worthwhile to use, and we can deliver a lot of them while they're still just getting things started.
I welcome Blizzard's injection of marketing dollars into this, and their legitimization of this game as something people that didn't pick it up 10+ years ago can actually play. These are things that are very hard for us to do, as a community project. It will be great to have an installer that is actually patched to the latest version, and even better that it's free. But let's not rely on them to follow through for this game to survive: Brood War has always been incredibly self-sufficient. The reason it is still alive today is not because Blizzard cared for it, or treated it nicely, or helped it at all. It's alive because we cared for it, the people that played on WGTour and PGTour and ICCup and Brain and Fish, that made creative and well-balanced maps, that developed programs to fix and improve the gameplay experience. So let's take that attention they've given us, and redirect it into something that will stand the test of time.
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While the community does fill in the holes left behind by Blizzard, their new team appears to be willing to implement new features as the community desires. While I'm sure Blizzard won't utilize a website interface like ShieldBattery, we could still push some of ShieldBattery's features to Blizzard for them to implement.
Sure they won't implement as fast as you will, but you did mention about StarCraft being played decades from now, so timeliness isn't a huge issue.
At this point, I'm just concerned about how effective ShieldBattery will be at enticing as many players as possible.
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On March 27 2017 15:12 tec27 wrote:
...if we want to be teaching our children and grandchildren how to Forge FE...
Thank you, mister, for providing the vision of SCBW-Grandpa. Actually, I am halfway through ...I hope my grandson will revert to Z and will not be P like my son is... 
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On March 27 2017 15:52 shaggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 15:12 tec27 wrote:
...if we want to be teaching our children and grandchildren how to Forge FE... Thank you, mister, for providing the vision of SCBW-Grandpa. Actually, I am halfway through ...I hope my grandson will revert to Z and will not be P like my son is...
If im honest if your son is P im surprised you admit you have a son. No child of mine would ever be allowed to be protoss
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On March 27 2017 16:08 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 15:52 shaggles wrote:On March 27 2017 15:12 tec27 wrote:
...if we want to be teaching our children and grandchildren how to Forge FE... Thank you, mister, for providing the vision of SCBW-Grandpa. Actually, I am halfway through ...I hope my grandson will revert to Z and will not be P like my son is... If im honest if your son is P im surprised you admit you have a son. No child of mine would ever be allowed to be protoss
Hey, HEY! We Protoss players have feelings too. Partly because we also get fucked up by other Protosses playing EZRace strategies against us. PvP imba, nerf P.
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On March 27 2017 16:08 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 15:52 shaggles wrote:On March 27 2017 15:12 tec27 wrote:
...if we want to be teaching our children and grandchildren how to Forge FE... Thank you, mister, for providing the vision of SCBW-Grandpa. Actually, I am halfway through ...I hope my grandson will revert to Z and will not be P like my son is... If im honest if your son is P im surprised you admit you have a son. No child of mine would ever be allowed to be protoss
"And remmember son - chosing Protoss will ruin your life".
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It must be very painful news with the remaster announcement essentially supplanting so much of your hard work.
Even if SB does not end up getting widespread adoption now I just want all you guys who worked on it to know that I at least really appreciated the passion and effort you put into continuing the SCBW scene. I'm sure you guys can make great contributions to the scene moving forward into this new era of Brood War.
Keep up the good work!!!
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On March 27 2017 03:03 starithm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 02:56 tofucake wrote:
It might end up in a CS situation, where there's official servers for the filthy casuals and then the 3rd party servers for the super cereal players I eat cereal for breakfast every freaking day.
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Patch 1.16.1 came out 8 years ago.
As Tec said, ShieldBattery is our guarantee that the next 8 years will not be dictated by a company that has only ever done things when money can be made. Instead, we will gladly accept SC:R and all its improvements, and over the next 8 years, continue to improve it more. Assuming SC:R is a ShieldBattery killer is ignoring the past. How were we able to keep BW alive for the 8 years since the last patch? Only because of community efforts: PGT, Iccup, Fish, ChaosLauncher, and ShieldBattery. It would be foolish to give all our larva to Blizzard and expect them to grow anything good. The only reason SC:R is a reality today is because the community brought the game as far is it has come.
So remember how we got here, accept Blizzard's wonderful gift, but put your faith in the community first.
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United States43962 Posts
Would I be correct in thinking that although Blizzard have been fine letting your project exist so far they would be mad if you incorporated their graphics update into the game? So no SC:R on Shield Battery.
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On March 27 2017 15:12 tec27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2017 00:50 Cele wrote:On March 26 2017 14:47 tec27 wrote:Just to give you all an update given the announcements today, work on ShieldBattery will definitely be continuing We have a bunch of stuff just about ready for another update, but depending on 1.18's timing it may take a bit to get out. 1.18 will require us to re-do a bunch of work to make our interactions with the game work again, but we'll get that done as fast as possible (although we can only start once we've actually received the new patch). We'll get that done ASAP, though, and get a new version out as soon as we can. i don't want to sound negative, but with SC:R coming, which uncludes modern OS support and such, what exactly is the reason people will still use SB? Brood War has never needed Blizzard to provide these things, and I think it's dangerous for us to rely on them too heavily. They've never proven a benevolent force for BW in the past, and as nice as it would seem for them to wholly change on that overnight and keep that new vision for perpetuity, it's not likely. If we want this game to survive it's 20th, 30th, 40th year, if we want to be teaching our children and grandchildren how to Forge FE, to be watching Korean pros pushing the metagame even in our old age, we need to be building and maintaining infrastructure for it that will outlive a corporation's fleeting interest. ShieldBattery is that infrastructure. It is by the community, for the community, free of Blizzard's oversight or interference, and can easily live on as long as there are people interested in playing the game. We can, and have, for many of them, already provide the features Blizzard is providing with 1.18, and for a lot of these things, ShieldBattery has better solutions than what Blizzard is giving you. Our windowed mode can scale to different resolutions and provides full-screen windowed mode, and is also easy to stream, all things theirs cannot provide. Our hosting solution fixes hosting for *everyone* and does so without exposing your IP, they only provide UPnP. We had a brand new obs mode ready for our next release, but I guess they scooped us on that one [...]
if you believe all of what you wrote, why so dismissive / indifferent / negative with regards to OpenBW?
Edit: I'm seriously interested to know and don't consider the silence treatment very helpful.
if you have some personal grudge against me because I wrote a comment once you didn't agree with (or similar) you can just tell me. If it's me standing in the way between SB and OpenBW I will just disappear, no problem.
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On March 28 2017 02:52 KwarK wrote:
Would I be correct in thinking that although Blizzard have been fine letting your project exist so far they would be mad if you incorporated their graphics update into the game? So no SC:R on Shield Battery.
It remains to be seen how Blizzard will actually release their remastered content, but since it runs on the same engine, it should be possible to support. We absolutely don't plan on bringing remastered content to users who haven't paid for the upgrade, but users who have should be fine to use it on ShieldBattery.
On the other side of things, we've always planned to integrate some better pixel scalers in our graphics setup, which can net a graphical improvement while still maintaining the older sprites. I suspect that a number of people in this community would prefer such an approach to the newer sprites Blizz is working on. (Screenshot of a hacky version of this is here, although the scaling algorithm isn't our preferred one, and things like text and iconography would ideally be rendered outside of such scaling. All improvements we would make before actually releasing such a thing )
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