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sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
March 08 2007 07:20 GMT
#21
Assholes. Fucking IEG makes out the best in this deal. Out of nowhere, they come in and now have all the rights by exploiting an argument between KESPA and OGN/MBC. I'm sure this strengthens fan support for OGN and MBC though, as we see now the sacrifices they make for the future of Pro-gaming.
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
March 08 2007 07:29 GMT
#22
I feel pretty bad for OGN and MBC, but I'm glad there will be proleague again
Huge iloveOov fan
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
March 08 2007 07:31 GMT
#23
our little baby is turning into a business

sheds a tear
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 08 2007 08:06 GMT
#24
Good news that the dispute seems to have come to and end. It's unfortunate that OGN and MBC had to cave though.
Moderator
TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
March 08 2007 08:11 GMT
#25
lol wasabi analysis of the week
sos bomber stork savior fan ^ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5160596/1/WXZ/achievements/category/4377898
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 08 2007 08:16 GMT
#26
Man, why do they have to use official terms? -__-
This makes translating exponentially difficult
(kicks self for being so crap at Korean)
Official Entusman #21
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
March 08 2007 08:23 GMT
#27
You can do it infinity! I believe!
bine
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States2352 Posts
March 08 2007 08:27 GMT
#28
On March 08 2007 17:23 DeadVessel wrote:
You can do it infinity! I believe!
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 08 2007 08:31 GMT
#29
sry guys, I'm too afraid to ask my korean roommate to translate this
(he has way too much thesis work)(
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
March 08 2007 08:34 GMT
#30
I'm glad that the ProLeague is going to be coming back, but I'm fairly sure this is a bad thing for pro gaming, long term.

I don't know how profitable OGN and MBCgame are (obviously), but having to buy the broadcast rights from KeSPA is going to cut into that profitability. I hope we don't see a decrease in production values or, even worse, a loss of interest in pro gaming by the broadcasters parent companies.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 08 2007 08:41 GMT
#31
On March 08 2007 17:34 muramasa wrote:
I'm glad that the ProLeague is going to be coming back, but I'm fairly sure this is a bad thing for pro gaming, long term.

I don't know how profitable OGN and MBCgame are (obviously), but having to buy the broadcast rights from KeSPA is going to cut into that profitability. I hope we don't see a decrease in production values or, even worse, a loss of interest in pro gaming by the broadcasters parent companies.

I have absolutely no proof, but I think OGN and MBC have been raking in too much money with ProLeague. The fact that they have accepted the offer means that there are still tons of profits to be realized even after paying the fees. The introduction of new competition can only do good for the whole e-sports community. All the companies will try to be better than others, offer more attractive features, etc. Who wins? The consumers ^^
Even if OGN and MBC give up Pro League, other companies will be able to take their place (I'm not guaranteeing it will be as good) and continue the development of e-sports.
Official Entusman #21
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 08 2007 08:43 GMT
#32
really good news. I am not ready to give up my bw addiction quite yet.. but i COULD AT ANY TIME. I swear...
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5214 Posts
March 08 2007 08:50 GMT
#33
heh infinity that's the opposite trend i see in these kinds of arrangements. often in todays business world, projects go to the highest bidder, and that bidder immediately looks to recuperate that expenditure by providing the absolute skimpiest job it can do.

sure buddy, i'll build your skyscraper for 10 million bucks. with cardboard and aluminum from china!
when you get fucked in the ear, you are taught that you have to fuck someone else in the ear to make up for it. it's a circle of fucking each other over, until the biggest money is in a few bits of paperwork while the actual product is as cheap as can possibly be.
you wouldnt feel that way if it was *your* magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
March 08 2007 08:53 GMT
#34
Even if MBC / OGN are making a lot of money, Kespa was their creation, this entire business their idea. This is essentially a hijacking by IEG. I know there is nothing meaningful I can do about this, and it pisses me off.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
March 08 2007 08:57 GMT
#35
if fans are furious, why cant they just burn down KeSPA?

OGN/MBC should team with CJ media and make their own proleague. Better yet, make it the same time as the douche KeSPA and steal their ratings.
DTDominion
Profile Joined November 2005
United States2148 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-08 09:00:06
March 08 2007 08:58 GMT
#36
On March 08 2007 17:41 infinity21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2007 17:34 muramasa wrote:
I'm glad that the ProLeague is going to be coming back, but I'm fairly sure this is a bad thing for pro gaming, long term.

I don't know how profitable OGN and MBCgame are (obviously), but having to buy the broadcast rights from KeSPA is going to cut into that profitability. I hope we don't see a decrease in production values or, even worse, a loss of interest in pro gaming by the broadcasters parent companies.

I have absolutely no proof, but I think OGN and MBC have been raking in too much money with ProLeague. The fact that they have accepted the offer means that there are still tons of profits to be realized even after paying the fees. The introduction of new competition can only do good for the whole e-sports community. All the companies will try to be better than others, offer more attractive features, etc. Who wins? The consumers ^^
Even if OGN and MBC give up Pro League, other companies will be able to take their place (I'm not guaranteeing it will be as good) and continue the development of e-sports.


I don't think it's a matter of OGN and MBC making "too much profit" so much as it was their crappy negotiating position. Through slight of hand KeSPA "got the rights" to broadcast the proleague that OGN and MBC ran and then sold off those rights, and now the new company is making OGN and MBC pay to broadcast the pro league that they created and run, even if KeSPA provides more than superficial assistance.

This doesn't create more competition. It puts the broadcast rights in the hands of one company who can do whatever it damn well pleases with them. The old system worked. The companies that make the tournament have incentive to do a good job broadcasting it. And with multiple tournaments each tournament creator is going to do the best tournament they can. Merging the OGN and MBC proleagues was not a good thing IMO, and now the ability to broadcast them is in the hands of one company.

The consumer got fucked, hard. As did OGN, MBC, and all of pro gaming.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 08 2007 09:31 GMT
#37
On March 08 2007 17:58 DTDominion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2007 17:41 infinity21 wrote:
On March 08 2007 17:34 muramasa wrote:
I'm glad that the ProLeague is going to be coming back, but I'm fairly sure this is a bad thing for pro gaming, long term.

I don't know how profitable OGN and MBCgame are (obviously), but having to buy the broadcast rights from KeSPA is going to cut into that profitability. I hope we don't see a decrease in production values or, even worse, a loss of interest in pro gaming by the broadcasters parent companies.

I have absolutely no proof, but I think OGN and MBC have been raking in too much money with ProLeague. The fact that they have accepted the offer means that there are still tons of profits to be realized even after paying the fees. The introduction of new competition can only do good for the whole e-sports community. All the companies will try to be better than others, offer more attractive features, etc. Who wins? The consumers ^^
Even if OGN and MBC give up Pro League, other companies will be able to take their place (I'm not guaranteeing it will be as good) and continue the development of e-sports.


I don't think it's a matter of OGN and MBC making "too much profit" so much as it was their crappy negotiating position. Through slight of hand KeSPA "got the rights" to broadcast the proleague that OGN and MBC ran and then sold off those rights, and now the new company is making OGN and MBC pay to broadcast the pro league that they created and run, even if KeSPA provides more than superficial assistance.

This doesn't create more competition. It puts the broadcast rights in the hands of one company who can do whatever it damn well pleases with them. The old system worked. The companies that make the tournament have incentive to do a good job broadcasting it. And with multiple tournaments each tournament creator is going to do the best tournament they can. Merging the OGN and MBC proleagues was not a good thing IMO, and now the ability to broadcast them is in the hands of one company.

The consumer got fucked, hard. As did OGN, MBC, and all of pro gaming.

I'm kinda confused though. You say this will create more tournaments with companies doing the best they can but it won't create competition between each other? Could you clear that bit up?

I'm also unclear of the amount of power that KeSPA has over ProLeague, OGN and MBC. Maybe that's why I'm supportive of this idea. Can other companies just create their own league and broadcast it on TV without the consent of KeSPA?
Official Entusman #21
neSix
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1772 Posts
March 08 2007 09:43 GMT
#38
On March 08 2007 15:21 Wasabi wrote:
I'm one of those furious fans. The folks at KeSPA are selling something they didn't put as much effort to compared to the broadcasters. Proleague became possible and has grown thanks to OGN and MBC. Remember, Proleague used to not count for KeSPA points. Now if the proteams didn't team up with KeSPA, Proleague would still be possible, it just wouldn't count for anything...

So in summary (NWS) + Show Spoiler +
KESPA asked if they can cum in OGN/MBC's pussy, if not neither of them can have an orgasm and KeSPA pulls out and cum on OGN and MBC's faces anyway.

Yeah, umm... Something like that. :|

Good to hear things will be better, but sucks to hear OGN/MBC get boned for it. GG
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
March 08 2007 10:02 GMT
#39
On March 08 2007 17:58 DTDominion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2007 17:41 infinity21 wrote:
On March 08 2007 17:34 muramasa wrote:
I'm glad that the ProLeague is going to be coming back, but I'm fairly sure this is a bad thing for pro gaming, long term.

I don't know how profitable OGN and MBCgame are (obviously), but having to buy the broadcast rights from KeSPA is going to cut into that profitability. I hope we don't see a decrease in production values or, even worse, a loss of interest in pro gaming by the broadcasters parent companies.

I have absolutely no proof, but I think OGN and MBC have been raking in too much money with ProLeague. The fact that they have accepted the offer means that there are still tons of profits to be realized even after paying the fees. The introduction of new competition can only do good for the whole e-sports community. All the companies will try to be better than others, offer more attractive features, etc. Who wins? The consumers ^^
Even if OGN and MBC give up Pro League, other companies will be able to take their place (I'm not guaranteeing it will be as good) and continue the development of e-sports.


I don't think it's a matter of OGN and MBC making "too much profit" so much as it was their crappy negotiating position. Through slight of hand KeSPA "got the rights" to broadcast the proleague that OGN and MBC ran and then sold off those rights, and now the new company is making OGN and MBC pay to broadcast the pro league that they created and run, even if KeSPA provides more than superficial assistance.

This doesn't create more competition. It puts the broadcast rights in the hands of one company who can do whatever it damn well pleases with them. The old system worked. The companies that make the tournament have incentive to do a good job broadcasting it. And with multiple tournaments each tournament creator is going to do the best tournament they can. Merging the OGN and MBC proleagues was not a good thing IMO, and now the ability to broadcast them is in the hands of one company.

The consumer got fucked, hard. As did OGN, MBC, and all of pro gaming.

According to the IEG guy, "KeSPA is and has been in charge of Proleague for awhile."

As I understand it, based on the FiFo translations and the news thread:

MBC and OGN had their own team leagues. They merged to form Voltron Proleague with KeSPA's help, and at some point (at the beginning?) KeSPA took over pretty much all the responsibilities except for broadcasting, which they left to MBC and OGN.

MBC and OGN are both represented on KeSPA's board. KeSPA is not stealing from them. They objected because they didn't like the idea of paying for what they've been getting for free.

Now the league (run by KeSPA) is fully independent of the broadcasters (and their respective pro teams), which makes everything more "professional".

The compromise they agreed to is that MBC and OGN will now pay for broadcasting rights, but they are guaranteed to be the primary Proleague broadcasters for the next 3 years.
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Profile Joined January 2007
Peru306 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-08 10:06:35
March 08 2007 10:05 GMT
#40
So KeSPA is really important.
No surprise if KeSPA appears in popular Tournaments and Finals.
RespectKorea KeSPA 1)SlayerS_`BoxeR`(Legend Of South Korea) 2)AnyTime[gm](Passion Of South Korea) 3)JulyZerg(Sense Of South Korea) 4)iloveoov(Winner Of WCG 2006) 5)XellOs[yG](I Love XellOs Style) http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=49272
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