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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8520 Posts
July 25 2018 13:29 GMT
#4781
Well I know it was on Best stream but man, what great games !

+ Show Spoiler +
Best destroys Flash 2-0
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
July 25 2018 15:41 GMT
#4782
On July 22 2018 21:31 onlystar wrote:
Flash vs Rain bo5 yesterday was just mindblowing crazy games continues battles
youtu.be starts at 2:41

if you watch Flash cam you can see him in game 4 on F.s Focusing extremely hard tip of his chair eyes wide open rain is his number 1 challenger for sure

Everyone should watch this series because its way better than the ASL finals or atleast an incredible addition to the finals


Wow that was a great series. I feel that we've reached the dark for TvP where it's Rain/Mini/Snow/Best vs Flash, who is the only good TvPer around right now.

And Flash is having a really hard time playing against them, they have found a way to counter the turtle style by going mass shuttles + reaver every game and delaying the Terran push as long as possible and Flash is having a hard time countering it. Hopefully he finds a way counter this style of play and knowing Flash he probably will.
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
July 25 2018 16:27 GMT
#4783
On July 26 2018 00:41 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2018 21:31 onlystar wrote:
Flash vs Rain bo5 yesterday was just mindblowing crazy games continues battles
youtu.be starts at 2:41

if you watch Flash cam you can see him in game 4 on F.s Focusing extremely hard tip of his chair eyes wide open rain is his number 1 challenger for sure

Everyone should watch this series because its way better than the ASL finals or atleast an incredible addition to the finals


Wow that was a great series. I feel that we've reached the dark for TvP where it's Rain/Mini/Snow/Best vs Flash, who is the only good TvPer around right now.

And Flash is having a really hard time playing against them, they have found a way to counter the turtle style by going mass shuttles + reaver every game and delaying the Terran push as long as possible and Flash is having a hard time countering it. Hopefully he finds a way counter this style of play and knowing Flash he probably will.


Yea I think its certainly e recognizable style Mimi has been doing this for years I feel like snow and Rain have a better feel for it in terms of using it to harass and get ahead im the game however the games where flash cleans up or intetcepts the dorps /harass with eaz and rolls over the protoss after are still there so all in all I dont think its like a real meta change.

Overall I see flash just not at his top shape while Rain is in his best shape ever curious how the rivalry Will evolve for sure flash vs best/mini/shuttle/Rain/snow is so intersting to tune in
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
July 26 2018 01:04 GMT
#4784
Yeah Flash's recall defense have been sub-par recently. Remember the times where he used to scan the arbiter in the middle of nowhere?
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8520 Posts
July 30 2018 18:12 GMT
#4785
Flash is now nr 1 and S class of course ^^
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8520 Posts
August 04 2018 21:11 GMT
#4786
Damn! Flash as protoss beat Forgg , him playing his main race - terran !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
August 05 2018 00:01 GMT
#4787
On August 05 2018 06:11 prosatan wrote:
Damn! Flash as protoss beat Forgg , him playing his main race - terran !


Reached S with his offrace. UNBELIEVABLE
Life is just life
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
August 05 2018 00:20 GMT
#4788
I wouldn't be shocked if Flash as Protoss could consistently beat Flash as Terran with some practice.

If you understand TvP (and no one understands it better than Flash), you understand all the ways Protoss can mess with Terran with minimal risk. TvP is the hardest matchup until a pretty high level. Protoss can do several things per game that barely set them back but give P a chance to win the game outright. Much of learning TvP is learning how not to die, and even then Terran macro and micro are harder than Protoss at lower levels of play. Only when you get to a pretty high level do things even out.

Army control, using Storms, etc., are tougher, but obviously Flash could learn.
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
August 05 2018 02:00 GMT
#4789
On August 05 2018 09:20 darktreb wrote:
I wouldn't be shocked if Flash as Protoss could consistently beat Flash as Terran with some practice.

If you understand TvP (and no one understands it better than Flash), you understand all the ways Protoss can mess with Terran with minimal risk. TvP is the hardest matchup until a pretty high level. Protoss can do several things per game that barely set them back but give P a chance to win the game outright. Much of learning TvP is learning how not to die, and even then Terran macro and micro are harder than Protoss at lower levels of play. Only when you get to a pretty high level do things even out.

Army control, using Storms, etc., are tougher, but obviously Flash could learn.

I'm fairly sure that a decade of playing Terran would outweigh anything Flash does in the next few years.

That being said, Flash is fairly good at playing Protoss. Maybe he could beat Terran gamers with enough practice.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-05 02:34:13
August 05 2018 02:33 GMT
#4790
On August 05 2018 11:00 RWLabs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2018 09:20 darktreb wrote:
I wouldn't be shocked if Flash as Protoss could consistently beat Flash as Terran with some practice.

If you understand TvP (and no one understands it better than Flash), you understand all the ways Protoss can mess with Terran with minimal risk. TvP is the hardest matchup until a pretty high level. Protoss can do several things per game that barely set them back but give P a chance to win the game outright. Much of learning TvP is learning how not to die, and even then Terran macro and micro are harder than Protoss at lower levels of play. Only when you get to a pretty high level do things even out.

Army control, using Storms, etc., are tougher, but obviously Flash could learn.

I'm fairly sure that a decade of playing Terran would outweigh anything Flash does in the next few years.

That being said, Flash is fairly good at playing Protoss. Maybe he could beat Terran gamers with enough practice.


I think you are somewhat under-estimating how easy it is for terran players to master the protoss-versus-terran match-up. Last has claimed that his protoss can defeat his terran easily (bullshit extrapolation, but somewhat based on reality since he has defeated terran mains before), and Light's protoss has succesfully defeated terran mains including Flash time and time again. I'll link their most recent encounter below in case you don't believe me.

+ Show Spoiler +


Of course it is a whole different story of being better overall with another race, but the proposition that if we were to clone two versions of Flash, one only focusing on the protoss-versus-terran match-up, and the other only focusing on the terran-versus-protoss match-up, and the end result being that the one that practices protoss-versus-terran eventually coming out on top isn't that ridiculous in my opinion.
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sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-06 11:01:03
August 06 2018 11:00 GMT
#4791
Now Flash on mission “Ladder 2700 10K Balloons”, playing against Rain on BS.

https://starlog.gg/en/leaderboard

1 Korea
sdafsdfafdsafds
2665
Terran 79 13

2 Korea
Sarin_Rain
2586
Protoss 115 41
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8520 Posts
August 06 2018 13:42 GMT
#4792
OMG !

Flash is the first player who crosses the 2700 Barrier !
And no one had reached 2600 yet ! OUTSTANDING
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1599 Posts
August 06 2018 18:27 GMT
#4793
On August 06 2018 22:42 prosatan wrote:
OMG ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4GIMpwlGXY
Flash is the first player who crosses the 2700 Barrier !
And no one had reached 2600 yet ! OUTSTANDING

Can someone translate the banter between Larva and Flash when Larva was ling all inning
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-06 22:37:46
August 06 2018 22:32 GMT
#4794
On August 05 2018 09:20 darktreb wrote:

If you understand TvP (and no one understands it better than Flash), you understand all the ways Protoss can mess with Terran with minimal risk. TvP is the hardest matchup until a pretty high level. Protoss can do several things per game that barely set them back but give P a chance to win the game outright. Much of learning TvP is learning how not to die, and even then Terran macro and micro are harder than Protoss at lower levels of play. Only when you get to a pretty high level do things even out.


This sums up my TvP-experience so well, especially the parts I highlighted. By now I always quit an argument about balance when s.o. just doesn't want to accept those points about low to mid (or even high) level TvP. There might be exceptional cases (on both sides, Protoss having trouble with PvT for some reason), but for 9 out of 10 people it's like this. I'm gonna print that whole post out and put it on my wall.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8520 Posts
August 07 2018 03:38 GMT
#4795
On August 07 2018 03:27 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2018 22:42 prosatan wrote:
OMG ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4GIMpwlGXY
Flash is the first player who crosses the 2700 Barrier !
And no one had reached 2600 yet ! OUTSTANDING

Can someone translate the banter between Larva and Flash when Larva was ling all inning

I want to know that too ^^
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
jamesuh
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-07 08:33:39
August 07 2018 08:24 GMT
#4796
(rough translation)

10:11
Larva: Really, why do you do this to me?
Flash: Me? Why? I like you. I'll give you one sided love. Honggu I love you. Thanks for (completing my) mission.

11:28
Larva: Please queue again. gg
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8520 Posts
August 07 2018 12:07 GMT
#4797


UNBELIVABLE !
FLASH DEFEATS RAIN IN A P V P !!!!
THEN HE LOSES IN A ZVP WITH RAIN !!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
August 08 2018 01:58 GMT
#4798


Before winning against Larva to reach 2700, he got cheesed by Britney (Sarin_Rain is Britney, btw).
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1599 Posts
August 08 2018 04:19 GMT
#4799
No GG!
CatalysT.
Profile Joined January 2011
59 Posts
August 08 2018 04:41 GMT
#4800
Im pretty sure Sarin_Rain is actually rain. Unless they share an account?

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