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M18M/StarDustFish ID: dream.t)brain
Afreeca link: http://play.afreeca.com/minooli
Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/90stardust
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StarDust aka M18M is streaming BW
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outscar
2832 Posts
M18M/StarDustFish ID: dream.t)brain Afreeca link: http://play.afreeca.com/minooli Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/90stardust
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9522 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:03 FFW_Rude wrote: How is his level ? Quiet decent. However, I can feel he's not confident with aggression build. He plays a bit like a textbook follower. http://www.filedropper.com/0790scankaltdreamtbrainp http://www.filedropper.com/0791dreamtbraipscankalt I recommend to watch both. + Show Spoiler + 2nd game was a cool game. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:37 Silvana wrote: BW fans school me please. I have the understanding that M18M never did anything notable in BW except killing Flash twice? However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- My bet is new WCS system. Read what iloveoov head coach of best team SKT says about it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/501182-interview-iloveoov-on-coaching-philosophy-the-state-of-sc2-in-korea-wcs-2016-and-more | ||
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HooHooH
165 Posts
P7GAB (aka. Zest) comes to mind with a similar kind of name | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:37 Silvana wrote: BW fans school me please. I have the understanding that M18M never did anything notable in BW except killing Flash twice? However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- Well that's basicly it. He played for AirForce ACE and wasn't notable. I think he was a training partner in ... CJ ? Was it ? He stayed quite long there i think but I don't really remember. Since you know SC2, it's a little like MC. MC played BW, like NesTea but they weren't big names. Also new WCS system + study. You can ask him on FB he is quite friendly. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:37 Silvana wrote: BW fans school me please. I have the understanding that M18M never did anything notable in BW except killing Flash twice? However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- A role player on his team with decent PvT like you would expect of a Samsung Khan protoss. Never made it to any of the individual leagues, never broke the top 30 KeSPA rankings, and basically sniped terrans from time to time in the ProLeague. As for Starcraft 2, the scene never was alive in Korea, and once your professional career ends (I imagine M18M made quite a bit abroad if he was as successful as you say), it would be fruitless for people to stream Starcraft 2 on Afreeca, a place where nobody watches Starcraft 2. It's just the natural order of things. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 18 2016 23:32 Letmelose wrote: A role player on his team with decent PvT like you would expect of a Samsung Khan protoss. Never made it to any of the individual leagues, never broke the top 30 KeSPA rankings, and basically sniped terrans from time to time in the ProLeague. As for Starcraft 2, the scene never was alive in Korea, and once your professional career ends (I imagine M18M made quite a bit abroad if he was as successful as you say), it would be fruitless for people to stream Starcraft 2 on Afreeca, a place where nobody watches Starcraft 2. It's just the natural order of things. Oh right it was Samsung not CJ. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 19 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Thanks for the answers! So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... There are a ton of games that got its place on television. For example, FIFA Online has a greater player base than Starcraft 2 and is also on SPOTV Games. Games that are popular on Afreeca, the most popular internet streaming service, are mostly League of Legends, FIFA Online, and Starcraft. Starcraft 2 has its niche following, but then again, so does the likes of Heartstone, and Heroes of the Storm. Just enjoy the Starcraft 2 scene as it is. I'm sure there are still numerous skilled players playing the game. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On January 19 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Thanks for the answers! So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... Kespa is the culprit here. They are great and bad for the game in many ways. They can get sponsors and keep team leagues afloat, but their strict rules along with team house rules prevent Afreeca streaming from catching on. I think it'd do wonders for their publicity to take the Afreeca plunge. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On January 19 2016 01:13 BisuDagger wrote: Kespa is the culprit here. They are great and bad for the game in many ways. They can get sponsors and keep team leagues afloat, but their strict rules along with team house rules prevent Afreeca streaming from catching on. I think it'd do wonders for their publicity to take the Afreeca plunge. They said on BTTV that the KeSPA teams don't want to participate in the Omilo league because it isn't prestigious enough. They seem obsessed with trying to make it when a KeSPA player is playing Starcraft as it being a big event. I doubt they'd want to just give them away on Afreeca even if I do 100% agree with you. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Sometimes i think i don't really understand everything. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On January 19 2016 01:32 Tenks wrote: They said on BTTV that the KeSPA teams don't want to participate in the Omilo league because it isn't prestigious enough. They seem obsessed with trying to make it when a KeSPA player is playing Starcraft as it being a big event. I doubt they'd want to just give them away on Afreeca even if I do 100% agree with you. But some Kespa players play the Olimoleague, mostly Samsung players. I think it's not Kespa's directive, but some teams'. On the other hand, I wouldn't call it an obsession but rather marking the players which should be their priorities (prestigious tournament like PL > Olimoleague); my guess is that when you play for a Korean team they want you to align your goals with them, not act as if they were a sponsor that only requires you to wear a team jersey and an in-game tag. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On January 19 2016 02:01 Silvana wrote: But some Kespa players play the Olimoleague, mostly Samsung players. I think it's not Kespa's directive, but some teams'. On the other hand, I wouldn't call it an obsession but rather marking the players which should be their priorities (prestigious tournament like PL > Olimoleague); my guess is that when you play for a Korean team they want you to align your goals with them, not act as if they were a sponsor that only requires you to wear a team jersey and an in-game tag. I actually really liked the format they used in BW. One Team League with quite a lot of games, OSL/MSL three times a year and some smaller stuff in between (STX Cup etc) fit well. The GOM Classic Seasons were fine too, but maybe too stressful for some since the most important league was PL after all. | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On January 19 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Thanks for the answers! So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... well you can always gauge the popularity of a game stream on afreeca with ranking data they provide on gametv.afreeca.com + Show Spoiler [1~20] + 1. LoL 2. BW 3. Minecraft 4. Sudden Attack 5. StarLeague 6. Maplestory 7. Lineage 8. Fifa Online 3 9. Kart Rider 10. Dungeon and fighter 11. Hearthstone 12. GSL 13. GTA5 14. Warcraft 15. SC2 16. Bubble Fighter 17. Aion 18. Cyphers 19. Diablo 3 20. Heroes of the Storm I think there are other factors at play making streaming BW more profitable than SC2 too. Afreeca streamers earn money through their donation system unlike twitch where you press the ad button and make a fraction of a cent for each viewer that doesn't have adblock turned on. So with a viewer base like BW where a majority of the fans are most likely in the 20s~30s range, they have some extra money they can donate regularly. Also since there's a big pool of other BW streamers, you see viewer donation sponsored matches all the time. this can also be a decent source of income even if you don't have a big viewer base on afreeca provided you have the skill to win. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
I miss Stardust so much in SC2. Someone should re-create BW in SC2 entirely (with all the nuances, like no rallying workers, ect), so all the streamers can move over and we can enjoy better graphics. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1202 Posts
On January 19 2016 06:13 BronzeKnee wrote: Wat? How could this happen. I miss Stardust so much in SC2. Someone should re-create BW in SC2 entirely (with all the nuances, like no rallying workers, ect), so all the streamers can move over and we can enjoy better graphics. They do still have Starbow with a few units brought over, but didn't catch as well when only a few guys jumped up cause it's altogether not brood war or SC2, but a hybrid. | ||
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Shinrei
United States240 Posts
On January 19 2016 06:13 BronzeKnee wrote: Wat? How could this happen. I miss Stardust so much in SC2. Someone should re-create BW in SC2 entirely (with all the nuances, like no rallying workers, ect), so all the streamers can move over and we can enjoy better graphics. Would you like someone to update the Mona Lisa with better graphics too? I'm sure people would still admire the original more than the "updated" version because of unreplicable value that it has. People come back to Brood War because it's a brilliant masterpiece, shallow focus on graphics aside. | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On January 19 2016 06:50 Shinrei wrote: Would you like someone to update the Mona Lisa with better graphics too? I'm sure people would still admire the original more than the "updated" version because of unreplicable value that it has. People come back to Brood War because it's a brilliant masterpiece, shallow focus on graphics aside. Gameplay is always the most important thing, but God forbid I want to enjoy better graphics? | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9522 Posts
On January 19 2016 08:34 BronzeKnee wrote: Gameplay is always the most important thing, but God forbid I want to enjoy better graphics? You're using the word "better" as if it's an objective thing. Can you define qualities that you take into consideration when determining if something has better or worse graphics? I think you meant "newer" or "modern" and that you prefer them more, so saying they're better is a subjective thing. | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:37 Silvana wrote: BW fans school me please. I have the understanding that M18M never did anything notable in BW except killing Flash twice? However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- He hasn't been doing anything SC2 related for like a year. | ||
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Ty2
United States1434 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2609 Posts
On January 19 2016 08:34 BronzeKnee wrote: Gameplay is always the most important thing, but God forbid I want to enjoy better graphics? What if I like the Brood War graphics more than those of Starcraft 2? I like the clean structure and that you can always distinguish every unit/animation from each other. In SC2 you only see a big blob with some lasers and beams around it. As 2Pac already mentioned, the appreciation of classic/modern graphics is subjective and not objective at all. Just come and watch Brood War without your prejudice about the classic graphics and you might appreciate them. And yes you could return that request to me. And you are right SC2 graphics are "better" in fight-less scenes, but tbh the fight is the most important part and you should be clearly able to tell what unit is doing which animation. And in this case, as mentioned before, Brood Wars classic graphics are a lot more enjoyable in my oppinion. | ||
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Stardust_
Korea (South)10 Posts
hi guys here is stardust lately i start streaming bw at afreeca. maybe you guys know that i'm not active sc2 pro. i'm still thinking that what i want to do for my future so.. i just enjoy playing game like.. league , bw i guess as soon as i can say my future plan ~____~ Cu soon. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
I hope you do good on whatever you decide to do. 손석희 파이팅!!! | ||
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HyralGambit
2439 Posts
On January 19 2016 23:30 Stardust_ wrote: -title- confusing times hi guys here is stardust lately i start streaming bw at afreeca. maybe you guys know that i'm not active sc2 pro. i'm still thinking that what i want to do for my future so.. i just enjoy playing game like.. league , bw i guess as soon as i can say my future plan ~____~ Cu soon. Did you watch Tasteless/Artosis cast the 2016 BW tournament: http://www.twitch.tv/gsl/v/36168102?t=0h8m25s Nice to see more Koreans talking to English audience. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 19 2016 23:30 Stardust_ wrote: -title- confusing times hi guys here is stardust lately i start streaming bw at afreeca. maybe you guys know that i'm not active sc2 pro. i'm still thinking that what i want to do for my future so.. i just enjoy playing game like.. league , bw i guess as soon as i can say my future plan ~____~ Cu soon. Hope everything is doing fine for you ! and i also hope to meet you again someday :p | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On January 19 2016 23:43 c3rberUs wrote: Thank you for streaming some bw! We really appreciate your gameplay. I hope you do good on whatever you decide to do. 손석희 파이팅!!! I completely share this sentiment. <3 M18M | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
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HyralGambit
2439 Posts
On January 20 2016 06:31 kogeT wrote: He is streaming on Twitch.. speaking OK english.. playing fun games vs foreigners.. my god this is nerd wet dream. We can get a taste of how it is to watch Afreeca pros for Koreans. Maybe he'll be the next Day9 and do some StarDust BW Dailies. | ||
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AleXoundOS
Georgia458 Posts
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mca64Launcher_
Poland629 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
On January 19 2016 06:13 BronzeKnee wrote: Wat? How could this happen. I miss Stardust so much in SC2. Someone should re-create BW in SC2 entirely (with all the nuances, like no rallying workers, ect), so all the streamers can move over and we can enjoy better graphics. lol fuck that bro, the engine is what makes sc1. | ||
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HyralGambit
2439 Posts
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
^ Let's test your theory! Hi Stardust! Thanks for streaming BW! | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
Also, he's brushing his teeth on stream lmao | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On January 20 2016 10:31 BigFan wrote: lol that dt game. ^ Let's test your theory! Hi Stardust! Thanks for streaming BW! He has the tab! Maybe he'll stop by after his stream :3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KTwgWwE.jpg) | ||
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HyralGambit
2439 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On January 20 2016 15:09 HyralGambit wrote: StarDust, tell Bisu about this thing call "twitch.tv" This thing called "twitch.tv" will give him balloons? | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On January 21 2016 04:05 aRyuujin wrote: now if flash starts hes gonna get rekt He already started as HoDo. BTW, why did you make up stuff on the ban thread that I was bashing SC2 on the twitch chat on KCM 10? | ||
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