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M18M/StarDustFish ID: dream.t)brain
Afreeca link: http://play.afreeca.com/minooli
Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/90stardust
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StarDust aka M18M is streaming BW
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outscar
2832 Posts
M18M/StarDustFish ID: dream.t)brain Afreeca link: http://play.afreeca.com/minooli Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/90stardust
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9522 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:03 FFW_Rude wrote: How is his level ? Quiet decent. However, I can feel he's not confident with aggression build. He plays a bit like a textbook follower. http://www.filedropper.com/0790scankaltdreamtbrainp http://www.filedropper.com/0791dreamtbraipscankalt I recommend to watch both. + Show Spoiler + 2nd game was a cool game. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:37 Silvana wrote: BW fans school me please. I have the understanding that M18M never did anything notable in BW except killing Flash twice? However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- My bet is new WCS system. Read what iloveoov head coach of best team SKT says about it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/501182-interview-iloveoov-on-coaching-philosophy-the-state-of-sc2-in-korea-wcs-2016-and-more | ||
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HooHooH
165 Posts
P7GAB (aka. Zest) comes to mind with a similar kind of name | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:37 Silvana wrote: BW fans school me please. I have the understanding that M18M never did anything notable in BW except killing Flash twice? However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- Well that's basicly it. He played for AirForce ACE and wasn't notable. I think he was a training partner in ... CJ ? Was it ? He stayed quite long there i think but I don't really remember. Since you know SC2, it's a little like MC. MC played BW, like NesTea but they weren't big names. Also new WCS system + study. You can ask him on FB he is quite friendly. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 18 2016 22:37 Silvana wrote: BW fans school me please. I have the understanding that M18M never did anything notable in BW except killing Flash twice? However he was very successful in SC2. So I guess something very bad is going on in Korea for SC2 because everyone is jumping ship (no only the BW GOATs). If only I could read the Korean forums... -.- A role player on his team with decent PvT like you would expect of a Samsung Khan protoss. Never made it to any of the individual leagues, never broke the top 30 KeSPA rankings, and basically sniped terrans from time to time in the ProLeague. As for Starcraft 2, the scene never was alive in Korea, and once your professional career ends (I imagine M18M made quite a bit abroad if he was as successful as you say), it would be fruitless for people to stream Starcraft 2 on Afreeca, a place where nobody watches Starcraft 2. It's just the natural order of things. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On January 18 2016 23:32 Letmelose wrote: A role player on his team with decent PvT like you would expect of a Samsung Khan protoss. Never made it to any of the individual leagues, never broke the top 30 KeSPA rankings, and basically sniped terrans from time to time in the ProLeague. As for Starcraft 2, the scene never was alive in Korea, and once your professional career ends (I imagine M18M made quite a bit abroad if he was as successful as you say), it would be fruitless for people to stream Starcraft 2 on Afreeca, a place where nobody watches Starcraft 2. It's just the natural order of things. Oh right it was Samsung not CJ. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On January 19 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Thanks for the answers! So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... There are a ton of games that got its place on television. For example, FIFA Online has a greater player base than Starcraft 2 and is also on SPOTV Games. Games that are popular on Afreeca, the most popular internet streaming service, are mostly League of Legends, FIFA Online, and Starcraft. Starcraft 2 has its niche following, but then again, so does the likes of Heartstone, and Heroes of the Storm. Just enjoy the Starcraft 2 scene as it is. I'm sure there are still numerous skilled players playing the game. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
On January 19 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Thanks for the answers! So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... Kespa is the culprit here. They are great and bad for the game in many ways. They can get sponsors and keep team leagues afloat, but their strict rules along with team house rules prevent Afreeca streaming from catching on. I think it'd do wonders for their publicity to take the Afreeca plunge. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On January 19 2016 01:13 BisuDagger wrote: Kespa is the culprit here. They are great and bad for the game in many ways. They can get sponsors and keep team leagues afloat, but their strict rules along with team house rules prevent Afreeca streaming from catching on. I think it'd do wonders for their publicity to take the Afreeca plunge. They said on BTTV that the KeSPA teams don't want to participate in the Omilo league because it isn't prestigious enough. They seem obsessed with trying to make it when a KeSPA player is playing Starcraft as it being a big event. I doubt they'd want to just give them away on Afreeca even if I do 100% agree with you. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Sometimes i think i don't really understand everything. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On January 19 2016 01:32 Tenks wrote: They said on BTTV that the KeSPA teams don't want to participate in the Omilo league because it isn't prestigious enough. They seem obsessed with trying to make it when a KeSPA player is playing Starcraft as it being a big event. I doubt they'd want to just give them away on Afreeca even if I do 100% agree with you. But some Kespa players play the Olimoleague, mostly Samsung players. I think it's not Kespa's directive, but some teams'. On the other hand, I wouldn't call it an obsession but rather marking the players which should be their priorities (prestigious tournament like PL > Olimoleague); my guess is that when you play for a Korean team they want you to align your goals with them, not act as if they were a sponsor that only requires you to wear a team jersey and an in-game tag. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On January 19 2016 02:01 Silvana wrote: But some Kespa players play the Olimoleague, mostly Samsung players. I think it's not Kespa's directive, but some teams'. On the other hand, I wouldn't call it an obsession but rather marking the players which should be their priorities (prestigious tournament like PL > Olimoleague); my guess is that when you play for a Korean team they want you to align your goals with them, not act as if they were a sponsor that only requires you to wear a team jersey and an in-game tag. I actually really liked the format they used in BW. One Team League with quite a lot of games, OSL/MSL three times a year and some smaller stuff in between (STX Cup etc) fit well. The GOM Classic Seasons were fine too, but maybe too stressful for some since the most important league was PL after all. | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On January 19 2016 00:11 Silvana wrote: Thanks for the answers! So I guess it's more profitable to stream BW on Afreeca even if you are small name rather than stream SC2 on Twitch. I never understood how SC2 got its place on TV but never made it on the Afreeca streams... Could it be that, as Letmelose said, SC2 was never alive in Korea and the scene is kinda artificially created? I wonder... well you can always gauge the popularity of a game stream on afreeca with ranking data they provide on gametv.afreeca.com + Show Spoiler [1~20] + 1. LoL 2. BW 3. Minecraft 4. Sudden Attack 5. StarLeague 6. Maplestory 7. Lineage 8. Fifa Online 3 9. Kart Rider 10. Dungeon and fighter 11. Hearthstone 12. GSL 13. GTA5 14. Warcraft 15. SC2 16. Bubble Fighter 17. Aion 18. Cyphers 19. Diablo 3 20. Heroes of the Storm I think there are other factors at play making streaming BW more profitable than SC2 too. Afreeca streamers earn money through their donation system unlike twitch where you press the ad button and make a fraction of a cent for each viewer that doesn't have adblock turned on. So with a viewer base like BW where a majority of the fans are most likely in the 20s~30s range, they have some extra money they can donate regularly. Also since there's a big pool of other BW streamers, you see viewer donation sponsored matches all the time. this can also be a decent source of income even if you don't have a big viewer base on afreeca provided you have the skill to win. | ||
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