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Force aspect ratio correction? (4:3 black bars)

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shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 12:54:12
June 20 2015 08:47 GMT
#1
Hi!
With my current combination of graphics card and monitor I unfortunately have no option to force aspect correction using the hardware or display driver.

But playing Broodwar stretched just feels off to me

Is there a way to implement either aspect ratio upscaling or higher resolutions?

What I tried so far:
wmode from the chaoslauncher plugin. Forces a window, but that has no upscaling apart from 2x mode. (plus, as I play on Linux it doesn't work very well with WINE)

cnc-ddraw. Apart from allowing smoother WINE emulation, you can actually force a custom resolution with it. Unfortunately you can only choose between either stretched upscaling, windowboxing (little 640x480 box in the center of the screen) or a window like wmode.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
June 20 2015 09:24 GMT
#2
Hi,

It would be very helpful if you would tell us what card you are using. I've never seen any modern card that did not allow to maintain original ratio. Do you think you are lacking these options because of Linux?
ॐ
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 09:50:47
June 20 2015 09:49 GMT
#3
I have an Intel HD 3000 card for which I haven't found any option to maintain the ratio in Linux (using Lubuntu [LXDE flavor of Ubuntu]).

I think it had that option in windows although quite limited. You had to select the resolution first - then select to maintain aspect ratio which was hard, because of the configuration window would not fit into 640x480 and then start starcraft. And you had to do that every time because it would not memorise your selection when switching back to the native resolution
Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
June 20 2015 10:07 GMT
#4
Try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Setting_scaling_mode
I play BW on a WinXP inside VirtualBox.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
June 20 2015 10:34 GMT
#5
On June 20 2015 18:49 shin ken wrote:
I have an Intel HD 3000 card for which I haven't found any option to maintain the ratio in Linux (using Lubuntu [LXDE flavor of Ubuntu]).

I think it had that option in windows although quite limited. You had to select the resolution first - then select to maintain aspect ratio which was hard, because of the configuration window would not fit into 640x480 and then start starcraft. And you had to do that every time because it would not memorise your selection when switching back to the native resolution


I have an HD 5100 which I believe uses the same drivers/option panel as HD 3000 and it works well. I did have to change the resolution first to enable the maintain aspect ratio option as you mentioned, but it was saved for me and I only had to do it once.
ॐ
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 12:27:23
June 20 2015 11:01 GMT
#6
On June 20 2015 19:07 Biolunar wrote:
Try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Setting_scaling_mode
I play BW on a WinXP inside VirtualBox.


that may be exactly what I need but unfortunately it doesn't work on my system:
+ Show Spoiler +
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767
LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
1366x768 60.0 +
1360x768 59.8 60.0
1024x768 60.0
800x600 60.3 56.2
640x480 59.9
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI1 connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm
1440x900 59.9*+ 75.0
1280x1024 75.0 60.0
1280x960 60.0
1152x864 75.0
1024x768 75.1 70.1 66.0 60.0
832x624 74.6
800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2
640x480 75.0 72.8 66.7 66.0 60.0
720x400 70.1
DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr --output HDMI1 --set "scaling mode" "Full aspect"
X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist)
Major opcode of failed request: 140 (RANDR)
Minor opcode of failed request: 11 (RRQueryOutputProperty)
Serial number of failed request: 36
Current serial number in output stream: 36
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr --output HDMI1 --set PANEL_FITTING full_aspect
X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist)
Major opcode of failed request: 140 (RANDR)
Minor opcode of failed request: 11 (RRQueryOutputProperty)
Serial number of failed request: 36
Current serial number in output stream: 36


maybe it's because I have multiple monitors?

EDIT: actually that seems to be the case.
xrandr --prop
tells me, that scaling is only available on the laptop monitor, not on the HDMI monitor:
+ Show Spoiler +
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr --prop
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767
LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
EDID:
00ffffffffffff0006af2c3000000000
00140103801d10780a15859758538a26
25505400000001010101010101010101
0101010101014a1d56c4500020303020
360025a4100000180000000f00000000
00000000000000000020000000fe0041
554f0a202020202020202020000000fe
004231333358573033205630200a00bc
BACKLIGHT: 0
range: (0, 10)
Backlight: 0
range: (0, 10)
scaling mode: Full aspect
supported: None, Full, Center, Full aspect
1366x768 60.0 +
1360x768 59.8 60.0
1024x768 60.0
800x600 60.3 56.2
640x480 59.9
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI1 connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm
EDID:
00ffffffffffff002264918901010101
1711010380291a782a9bb6a4534b9d24
144f54bfef0031466146714f81408180
9500950f01019a29a0d0518422305098
360098ff1000001c000000fd00314b1e
500e000a202020202020000000fc0048
616e6e732e47204857313931000000ff
0037323347483351593034323730007c
Broadcast RGB: Automatic
supported: Automatic, Full, Limited 16:235
audio: auto
supported: force-dvi, off, auto, on
1440x900 59.9 + 75.0*
1280x1024 75.0 60.0
1280x960 60.0
1152x864 75.0
1024x768 75.1 70.1 66.0 60.0
832x624 74.6
800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2
640x480 75.0 72.8 66.7 66.0 60.0
720x400 70.1
DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
Broadcast RGB: Automatic
supported: Automatic, Full, Limited 16:235
audio: auto
supported: force-dvi, off, auto, on
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
June 20 2015 12:21 GMT
#7
On June 20 2015 20:01 shin ken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2015 19:07 Biolunar wrote:
Try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics#Setting_scaling_mode
I play BW on a WinXP inside VirtualBox.


that may be exactly what I need but unfortunately it doesn't work on my system:
+ Show Spoiler +
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767
LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
1366x768 60.0 +
1360x768 59.8 60.0
1024x768 60.0
800x600 60.3 56.2
640x480 59.9
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI1 connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm
1440x900 59.9*+ 75.0
1280x1024 75.0 60.0
1280x960 60.0
1152x864 75.0
1024x768 75.1 70.1 66.0 60.0
832x624 74.6
800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2
640x480 75.0 72.8 66.7 66.0 60.0
720x400 70.1
DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr --output HDMI1 --set "scaling mode" "Full aspect"
X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist)
Major opcode of failed request: 140 (RANDR)
Minor opcode of failed request: 11 (RRQueryOutputProperty)
Serial number of failed request: 36
Current serial number in output stream: 36
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr --output HDMI1 --set PANEL_FITTING full_aspect
X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist)
Major opcode of failed request: 140 (RANDR)
Minor opcode of failed request: 11 (RRQueryOutputProperty)
Serial number of failed request: 36
Current serial number in output stream: 36


maybe it's because I have multiple monitors?

EDIT: actually that seems to be the case.
xrandr --prop
tells me, that scaling is only available on the laptop monitor, not on the HDMI monitor:
+ Show Spoiler +
user@Lubuntu:~$ xrandr --prop
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767
LVDS1 connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
EDID:
00ffffffffffff0006af2c3000000000
00140103801d10780a15859758538a26
25505400000001010101010101010101
0101010101014a1d56c4500020303020
360025a4100000180000000f00000000
00000000000000000020000000fe0041
554f0a202020202020202020000000fe
004231333358573033205630200a00bc
BACKLIGHT: 0
range: (0, 10)
Backlight: 0
range: (0, 10)
scaling mode: Full aspect
supported: None, Full, Center, Full aspect
1366x768 60.0 +
1360x768 59.8 60.0
1024x768 60.0
800x600 60.3 56.2
640x480 59.9
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI1 connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm
EDID:
00ffffffffffff002264918901010101
1711010380291a782a9bb6a4534b9d24
144f54bfef0031466146714f81408180
9500950f01019a29a0d0518422305098
360098ff1000001c000000fd00314b1e
500e000a202020202020000000fc0048
616e6e732e47204857313931000000ff
0037323347483351593034323730007c
Broadcast RGB: Automatic
supported: Automatic, Full, Limited 16:235
audio: auto
supported: force-dvi, off, auto, on
1440x900 59.9 + 75.0*
1280x1024 75.0 60.0
1280x960 60.0
1152x864 75.0
1024x768 75.1 70.1 66.0 60.0
832x624 74.6
800x600 72.2 75.0 60.3 56.2
640x480 75.0 72.8 66.7 66.0 60.0
720x400 70.1
DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
Broadcast RGB: Automatic
supported: Automatic, Full, Limited 16:235
audio: auto
supported: force-dvi, off, auto, on
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

I can’t help you there, I have only one monitor :/
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 12:52:00
June 20 2015 12:27 GMT
#8
apparently it's a limitation of the DRI display driver. Up until now, the developers only enabled the scaler for "fixed mode" displays from the likes of laptops. Also there is little to no reason to use non-native resolutions on regular (desktop) applications. It's pretty much a gaming-only thing which has just lately become a more important factor in linux development.

The only options I see is somehow make linux believe my external HDMI monitor is laptop monitor or wait for a patch (I found one for radeon cards, but a request on the same issue has also been raised for the intel component recently)
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
June 21 2015 09:23 GMT
#9
I wish there would be a solid, working high resolution hack for Brood War. That would be the best solution, in my opinion.

Seeking an alternative I build the latest version of Wargus which is an open source Warcraft 2 engine, and boy - it looks incredible with a high resolution. Nowadays we have kickstarters to achieve such looks for SC2 :D
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
July 09 2015 21:20 GMT
#10
I want to force 4:3 aspect on windows, i have an ATI Radeon 5200 graphic card and i cant find the settings to apply this aspect when i run broodwar. Any idea how to do it i dont like windowed mode neither stretched image fitting my 16;9 screen.
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
July 09 2015 22:20 GMT
#11
On July 10 2015 06:20 No_eL wrote:
I want to force 4:3 aspect on windows, i have an ATI Radeon 5200 graphic card and i cant find the settings to apply this aspect when i run broodwar. Any idea how to do it i dont like windowed mode neither stretched image fitting my 16;9 screen.

Your monitor may have buttons to change the aspect ratio.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
ixuz
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Sweden38 Posts
July 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#12
On my BenQ monitor I can adjust to "maintain aspect ratio".
This makes broodwar have black bars on the sides, works wonders.
lewl lewl
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
July 10 2015 06:08 GMT
#13
I have a Samsung monitor, but i cant find the "maintain aspect radio". Any other solution?
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
ixuz
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Sweden38 Posts
July 10 2015 13:22 GMT
#14
Before I had this monitor, I could set the graphics driver to maintain aspect ratio.
This caused some loss of performance but achieved the same results.
lewl lewl
ixuz
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Sweden38 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-10 15:09:12
July 10 2015 15:07 GMT
#15
Have a look at this
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/UnableToSetGPUScaling.aspx

This was the exact way I was able to achieve your desired results before I had my new monitor.
lewl lewl
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
July 10 2015 16:16 GMT
#16
Ty! i finally made it!

In my monitor settings i change "image" and the "size" to "auto", and now when i run broodwar appears the black bars and the image is not stretched.

=)
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10315 Posts
July 10 2015 16:47 GMT
#17
I have nvidia card gtx750 for laptop. Anyone know how i can get the black bars for that? my monitor size is 1920x1080.
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No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
July 10 2015 16:49 GMT
#18
And u tried with you monitor menu?
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10315 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-11 01:43:06
July 11 2015 00:02 GMT
#19
On July 11 2015 01:49 No_eL wrote:
And u tried with you monitor menu?

at work right now, ill try it when i get home. and let you know.

EDIT: i ahve no idea where the monitor menu is. i went to screen resolution and didnt find anything.
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AleXoundOS
Profile Joined January 2011
Georgia458 Posts
July 11 2015 21:09 GMT
#20
separate X server for games suites very well
https://bwapi.github.io - An API for interacting with Starcraft: Broodwar (1.16.1)
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
July 29 2015 20:37 GMT
#21
On July 12 2015 06:09 AleXoundOS wrote:
separate X server for games suites very well


that's an awesome idea!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 29 2015 22:40 GMT
#22
On July 11 2015 01:47 FlaShFTW wrote:
I have nvidia card gtx750 for laptop. Anyone know how i can get the black bars for that? my monitor size is 1920x1080.


Nvidia control panel

Under Display; Adjust desktop size and position

Scaling tab, set to No Scaling (black bars everywhere, little game in the middle of the screen) or Aspect ratio (zooms in until the height of the game fits the screen, black bars to fill the extra width instead of stretching)
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10282 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-04 04:44:55
May 04 2020 04:36 GMT
#23
Some of my friends wanted to run GameRanger (thus BW 1.16) with me and I am having trouble enabling the black bars on my desktop PC. My specs:

[image loading]

I tried the advice from Cyro above in Nvidia control panel, but it seemed to have no effect on 1.16. Any advice is appreciated!


EDIT: Sorry to bump but I legit tried for 30+ minutes before finding the solution right after I posted. What worked for me:

1. All of the above advice + Aspect Ratio
2. Scaling on: GPU
3. Resolution 1280 x 960


EDIT 2: Thread can be closed I guess? Again, sorry for inconvenience.
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