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What kind of gaming mouse should I get for BW?

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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-06 20:19:57
April 06 2015 20:00 GMT
#1
I have a regular 20 $ Walmart logitech mouse right now and it isn't very accurate. Im wondering if I should just get a 30 or 40 $ Logitech gaming mouse, or try a Steel-series gaming mouse? I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with. What is better for BW SteelSeries mice or Logitech mice? What kind of mouse pad would you get?
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DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
April 06 2015 20:07 GMT
#2
Been using a 5$ Logitech for 6 years, no complaints. BW doesn't require some fancyass mouse, just something you're comfortable with that has an easy click.
Accuracy is more likely to come from having your sensitivity set too high, or mouse acceleration in windows activated/deactivated depending on what you're used to. Last but not least you can train your precision clicking in BW with maps like 1a2a3a micro etc.



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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-06 20:16:36
April 06 2015 20:13 GMT
#3
On April 07 2015 05:07 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Been using a 5$ Logitech for 6 years, no complaints. BW doesn't require some fancyass mouse, just something you're comfortable with that has an easy click.
Accuracy is more likely to come from having your sensitivity set too high, or mouse acceleration in windows activated/deactivated depending on what you're used to. Last but not least you can train your precision clicking in BW with maps like 1a2a3a micro etc.





Do you mean having my pointer speed set too high could be affecting my accuracy?
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PineapplePizza
Profile Joined June 2010
United States749 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-06 20:47:16
April 06 2015 20:38 GMT
#4
On April 07 2015 05:13 TheGreatOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:07 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Been using a 5$ Logitech for 6 years, no complaints. BW doesn't require some fancyass mouse, just something you're comfortable with that has an easy click.
Accuracy is more likely to come from having your sensitivity set too high, or mouse acceleration in windows activated/deactivated depending on what you're used to. Last but not least you can train your precision clicking in BW with maps like 1a2a3a micro etc.





Do you mean having my pointer speed set too high could be affecting my accuracy?


If you set your mouse sensitivity through windows higher than 6 out of 11 notches, you will start skipping pixels.

- I have no idea how to change mouse sensitivity in-game, other than to use a launcher setting (which doesn't actually work for me).

For a new mouse, I'm thinking you could get a g100s and use drivers to lower the dpi to 400, or just get a wmo for that authentic 2006 feel. I don't think anybody here believes the quality of your mouse has any impact on your performance as a BW player, since most pros used cheap garbage and did well anyways.

QCK or allsop raindrop are good mousepads.
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skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
April 06 2015 20:46 GMT
#5
are you serious
just download some RAM if your mouse is not accurate
anyway, i've been using the same razer diamondback for 11 years now, and it easily got me B on iccup
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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
April 06 2015 20:54 GMT
#6
On April 07 2015 05:46 skzlime wrote:
are you serious
just download some RAM if your mouse is not accurate
anyway, i've been using the same razer diamondback for 11 years now, and it easily got me B on iccup


Yeah, but you have been playing in the easy days of Brood War. I mean, it's a really old game and there's a reason why people do have these kind of questions - hello! - there's a thing called professionalism. Best mouse in spoiler:

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  • points for extra style
  • can also be used for a commodore
  • bigger ball for more precision
  • hard to hit the buttons
  • flashing LEDs directly show if you pushed a button
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
April 06 2015 21:07 GMT
#7
On April 07 2015 05:54 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:46 skzlime wrote:
are you serious
just download some RAM if your mouse is not accurate
anyway, i've been using the same razer diamondback for 11 years now, and it easily got me B on iccup


Yeah, but you have been playing in the easy days of Brood War. I mean, it's a really old game and there's a reason why people do have these kind of questions - hello! - there's a thing called professionalism. Best mouse in spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

  • points for extra style
  • can also be used for a commodore
  • bigger ball for more precision
  • hard to hit the buttons
  • flashing LEDs directly show if you pushed a button
  • brings back instant memory of frogger



I know a guy who's C on iccup (B 2v2) using a Trackball. For years I've begged him to do an FPVOD
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ArmadA[NaS]
Profile Joined January 2014
United States346 Posts
April 06 2015 22:52 GMT
#8
Logitech/Steel Series are for noobs, you need balls to get A+:
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-06 23:51:01
April 06 2015 23:27 GMT
#9
The real question is then is does a gaming mouse and a gaming mouse pad actually improve performance at all? Sorry admins I just now found the Tech Support Ultimate Mouse Thread. Sorry for making this thread.
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TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-06 23:40:08
April 06 2015 23:39 GMT
#10
A new mouse won't increase your skill level by itself. It's all about training. Just buy a mouse which you feel the most comfortable with. Playing for a couple of hours can be exhausting so you should use equipment which fits to your personal needs. During the golden days of BW many pros used very cheap mouses and keyboards because they were cheap to replace. As BW is 640x480 you don't need the highest DPI in order to be precise. Test mices at stores or your friends and then decide which one you are the most comfortable with.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
April 06 2015 23:42 GMT
#11
On April 07 2015 08:27 TheGreatOne wrote:
The real question is then is does a gaming mouse and a gaming mouse pad actually improve performance at all? Sorry admins I just now found the Tech Support if this can be moved to there I would appreciate it. Sorry..


Of course a mouse that doesn't suck, feel uncomfortable when you hold it, skip pixels or have have built-in acceleration will help you. Which mouse is best however, is all up to your preference.

There is a good thread about mice here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/174311-the-ultimate-mouse-thread
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
April 06 2015 23:45 GMT
#12
I'm a little out of practice too, so that could be why I can't get past D on Iccup. I will keep practicing, but if I don't see any results i'm going to buy a new gaming mouse pad and gaming mouse.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10670 Posts
April 07 2015 00:18 GMT
#13
Razer Abyssus, it is the best mouse ever made for RTS and is perfect for BW, maybe even better for BW than SC2.
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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
April 07 2015 00:29 GMT
#14
Commatech M1 mouse. It is exactly the same as logitech Mini Optical. China switched over to Commatech. No more Logitech Mini.
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 03:05:24
April 07 2015 03:04 GMT
#15
Do you guys think a Logitech M310 Walmart mouse is capable of C rank on Iccup?
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shizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia127 Posts
April 07 2015 03:31 GMT
#16
On April 07 2015 12:04 TheGreatOne wrote:
Do you guys think a Logitech M310 Walmart mouse is capable of C rank on Iccup?


Definitely. A mouse isn't that important, it's the amount of time you give the game and how you use it.
gade1123
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
United States144 Posts
April 07 2015 05:17 GMT
#17
dude, check out amazon, i got this for like 15-20, that's all u should need to spend bro.

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Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
April 07 2015 06:05 GMT
#18
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= A- with ~160APM

On April 07 2015 12:04 TheGreatOne wrote:
Do you guys think a Logitech M310 Walmart mouse is capable of C rank on Iccup?

yes, any mouse is, as long as u can play with it.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10670 Posts
April 07 2015 06:07 GMT
#19
You don't have to spend much, this is your personal preference, I was the same way when I posted threads about "gaming chairs", but a good mouse really is way different in my opinion. A good mouse can determine the loss or win for me, but i guess everyone is different. I have a pretty small hand so I don't like a mouse with a big arch like the Razer DeathAdder or the Logitech MX-518, Also the Logitech mice are way heavier than the abyssus, abyssus is really light weight, perfect accuracy, and no extra buttons.

Abyssus was made for RTS.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10670 Posts
April 07 2015 06:08 GMT
#20
On April 07 2015 15:05 Bakuryu wrote:
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Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 12:04 TheGreatOne wrote:
Do you guys think a Logitech M310 Walmart mouse is capable of C rank on Iccup?

yes, any mouse is, as long as u can play with it.


Wow, I need one of those gel wrist wrests....10+ years playing StarCraft and never had one....no wonder I have terrible callas on my wrist >_<
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NubbleST
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
April 07 2015 06:26 GMT
#21
Those gel wrist rests are actually pretty conducive to carpal tunnel iirc. Ideally, you want to have a good enough posture where you don't place any pressure on your wrists in the first place. I think something like having your keyboard/mouse 3-5 inches above your knee when you're sitting up straight and having proper armrests.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10670 Posts
April 07 2015 07:12 GMT
#22
I thought the gel rests are supposed to prevent carpal tunnel? I guess while playing BW it would be different? ?_?
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idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 11:28:18
April 07 2015 09:41 GMT
#23
i made b+ on iccup ppc ez with logitech g100s
with old mouse i made only 7001.
p.s. im protoss170-180apm
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6174 Posts
April 07 2015 10:45 GMT
#24
On April 07 2015 15:08 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 15:05 Bakuryu wrote:
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= A- with ~160APM

On April 07 2015 12:04 TheGreatOne wrote:
Do you guys think a Logitech M310 Walmart mouse is capable of C rank on Iccup?

yes, any mouse is, as long as u can play with it.


Wow, I need one of those gel wrist wrests....10+ years playing StarCraft and never had one....no wonder I have terrible callas on my wrist >_<

I've tried to use one several times, but I always feel like it makes my mouse hand slower..
Filco
Profile Joined October 2013
France154 Posts
April 07 2015 11:18 GMT
#25
My only advice would be a small mouse. Palm grip and fast movements are quite required for brood war I'd say. I bought a Roccat Kone Pure, which is absolutely perfect and the drivers allow you to have the perfect DPI settings and a large variety of profiles that you can switch in game. Also the mouse will remember your settings even if you play on a friend's computer since it has a memory inside. Quite expensive though, but very high quality gaming mouse. I just don't see better. The ergonomy is perfect, the materials are solid unlike cheap plastic razers, the size and weight are perfect and the number of possibilities that the drivers offer are huge.
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KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1762 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 11:21:13
April 07 2015 11:20 GMT
#26
I was D+ max until i realized i had to buy a new mouse to get better, i easily beat bakuryu 50 times with the new mouse i bought, his mouse was no match for mine.

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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
April 07 2015 12:12 GMT
#27
the mouse you use is litteraly 100% not important, aslong as your mouse does not skip like ~3000 pixels a second it does NOT affect your rank at all.

The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Filco
Profile Joined October 2013
France154 Posts
April 07 2015 12:29 GMT
#28
You would be surprised to learn that most of the brood war pros used to/ still play with a membrane keyboard and a very basc mouse anyway
Filco Channel on youtube for fpvs, replays, tutorials and thoughts on the game.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
April 07 2015 12:40 GMT
#29
I always used a big mouse, Diamondback and deathadder I think most of the time, with superhigh sens and acceleration on and it never affected me. Probably not ideal for maximum precision, but I much prefered having to only move my hand hand a bit, compared to moving your entire arm 10 inches to cross the screen. As others have said, as long as you are used to the mouse and its actually working as it should, it shouldnt hold you back much.
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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 07 2015 13:19 GMT
#30
Other than the shape and weight of the mouse being suitable for your grip style, check the sensor, and make sure it's a decent one. Avago 3310 is at the top end. Steelseries Rival is one such mouse.

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EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1594 Posts
April 07 2015 13:39 GMT
#31
On April 07 2015 06:07 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:54 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 07 2015 05:46 skzlime wrote:
are you serious
just download some RAM if your mouse is not accurate
anyway, i've been using the same razer diamondback for 11 years now, and it easily got me B on iccup


Yeah, but you have been playing in the easy days of Brood War. I mean, it's a really old game and there's a reason why people do have these kind of questions - hello! - there's a thing called professionalism. Best mouse in spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

  • points for extra style
  • can also be used for a commodore
  • bigger ball for more precision
  • hard to hit the buttons
  • flashing LEDs directly show if you pushed a button
  • brings back instant memory of frogger



I know a guy who's C on iccup (B 2v2) using a Trackball. For years I've begged him to do an FPVOD

B+ with a ball mouse here, bam!!!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 14:26:08
April 07 2015 14:07 GMT
#32
On April 07 2015 16:12 GGzerG wrote:
I thought the gel rests are supposed to prevent carpal tunnel? I guess while playing BW it would be different? ?_?


Those rests are only usable with high sensitivities and limit your movement style a little bit. I was about to post that you shouldn't use them because of wrist issues with intensive mouse uses.

Generally with those sensitivities, people move VERY heavily with the wrist and sometimes (very bad) tense wrist
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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 07 2015 14:09 GMT
#33
On April 07 2015 23:07 Cyro wrote:
..stuff..


Happy birthday!
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
April 07 2015 14:25 GMT
#34
ty :D
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
April 07 2015 14:42 GMT
#35
I use this sexy bad boy for playing bw

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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 14:43:11
April 07 2015 14:42 GMT
#36
Basically any mouse that suits you and does 400dpi well.

1:1 sens and no fuckery with acceleration and such from OS
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
NubbleST
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
April 07 2015 16:53 GMT
#37
On April 07 2015 16:12 GGzerG wrote:
I thought the gel rests are supposed to prevent carpal tunnel? I guess while playing BW it would be different? ?_?


I'd need to find a source, but iirc it's better than pressing your wrist against your desk, but you'd ideally have good enough postures where you don't put pressure on your CT at all.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 17:46:09
April 07 2015 17:45 GMT
#38
On April 08 2015 01:53 NubbleST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 16:12 GGzerG wrote:
I thought the gel rests are supposed to prevent carpal tunnel? I guess while playing BW it would be different? ?_?


I'd need to find a source, but iirc it's better than pressing your wrist against your desk, but you'd ideally have good enough postures where you don't put pressure on your CT at all.


Best thing to do is to have proper posture (arm naturally being slightly above desk) and use a mouse sensitivity and grip that allows you to control the cursor well without tensing wrist at all, with a focus on fingertip and arm movement as opposed to the worst thing you can do (high sens, tight grip and wrist pivot everywhere)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10670 Posts
April 07 2015 18:10 GMT
#39
I used a track ball mouse for a long time, it actually had my micro really good at one point lol
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
April 07 2015 18:23 GMT
#40
Apparently I play the worst possible way, lol. Super tight grip, pretty high sens, and 80% of my movement is wrist pivot.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 18:39:08
April 07 2015 18:38 GMT
#41
On April 08 2015 03:23 Yorbon wrote:
Apparently I play the worst possible way, lol. Super tight grip, pretty high sens, and 80% of my movement is wrist pivot.


Your sens is like tectonic plate movements compared to some users. I have more than a few people on skype contacts (and have talked to on forums) who insist 2-3k DPI on 1080p is too slow

you also have 0 positive/negative accel and actually control mouse well so you're not squeezing it trying not to overshoot things all of the time
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
April 07 2015 18:48 GMT
#42
On April 08 2015 03:38 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 03:23 Yorbon wrote:
Apparently I play the worst possible way, lol. Super tight grip, pretty high sens, and 80% of my movement is wrist pivot.


Your sens is like tectonic plate movements compared to some users. I have more than a few people on skype contacts (and have talked to on forums) who insist 2-3k DPI on 1080p is too slow

you also have 0 positive/negative accel and actually control mouse well so you're not squeezing it trying not to overshoot things all of the time
yeah, true, although it's gotten worse since i've pushed my limits less hard in that regard. Regarding accuracy, I train muscle memory more than trying to 'go somewhere on screen really fast'. Also, the tightness of my grip correlates more with bpm than accuracy, I think that's worth mentioning as well.
DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland299 Posts
April 07 2015 18:53 GMT
#43
So, best way to play BW is to have low DPI/CPI? I have Razer Abyssus with 3 dpi options. I had it on 3500dpi. :S After reading this thread I changed it to 450dpi and higher sens on win.
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
April 07 2015 20:26 GMT
#44
Okay guys thanks for your input. I will probably just get the cheapest gaming mouse I can find, and the cheapest gaming mouse pad I can find. The Razor Abyssus looks like a tempting buy but so does the top cheap Logitech mice. As long as its a good gaming mouse I think I will be fine. I will probably just start out with a nice gaming mouse pad, and see how that affects my game performance with the mouse I already have.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
April 07 2015 20:39 GMT
#45
On April 08 2015 03:53 DiMiaN wrote:
So, best way to play BW is to have low DPI/CPI? I have Razer Abyssus with 3 dpi options. I had it on 3500dpi. :S After reading this thread I changed it to 450dpi and higher sens on win.


No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled.

Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it.
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 21:24:32
April 07 2015 21:16 GMT
#46
I have my pointer speed set on the fastest speed, is that why when I run bw the color is all messed up? Should I just lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision or just lower the speed and leave pointer precision checked?
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 21:47:28
April 07 2015 21:46 GMT
#47
On April 08 2015 06:16 TheGreatOne wrote:
I have my pointer speed set on the fastest speed, is that why when I run bw the color is all messed up? Should I just lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision or just lower the speed and leave pointer precision checked?
bw colors have little to do with mouse sensitivity as far as i'm aware. There are some color bugs due newer windows versions for example, but there are some fixes for that (google...)
Pointer precision should always be turned off, windows pointer speed should always be neutral. So yes, you should lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision.

I don't really know any more than that, but of this I'm quite sure..
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 22:40:57
April 07 2015 22:38 GMT
#48
On April 08 2015 06:46 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 06:16 TheGreatOne wrote:
I have my pointer speed set on the fastest speed, is that why when I run bw the color is all messed up? Should I just lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision or just lower the speed and leave pointer precision checked?
bw colors have little to do with mouse sensitivity as far as i'm aware. There are some color bugs due newer windows versions for example, but there are some fixes for that (google...)
Pointer precision should always be turned off, windows pointer speed should always be neutral. So yes, you should lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision.

I don't really know any more than that, but of this I'm quite sure..


Okay thank you very much! Maybe that is why I couldn't split my beginning workers, or micro very well. Lol
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-07 23:45:38
April 07 2015 23:45 GMT
#49
I've used a microsoft mini optical mouse for the last four years, it was weird at at first since it's so small but now that I'm used to it I believe I can play as well with it as any other mouse. So yeah...just find something you're comfortable with.

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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
April 08 2015 01:07 GMT
#50
I only use this mouse. I used Logitech G1 mouse at Fengzi's house, and I did not like it. It's heavy for SC.
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
April 08 2015 02:31 GMT
#51
Cool mice!
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sdjklahsjask
Profile Joined March 2015
Canada73 Posts
April 08 2015 03:03 GMT
#52
if youre gonna go GAYMER mouse, get a steel series. its the least gaudy awful IM A GAMER design. stay away from razer or any mouse that looks like its going to turn into a decepticon.
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden885 Posts
April 08 2015 03:40 GMT
#53
razer deathadder doh is super great, a mouse u can have for years no problem.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 08 2015 04:12 GMT
#54
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote:
I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with.


If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros:

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The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all.
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sdjklahsjask
Profile Joined March 2015
Canada73 Posts
April 08 2015 04:33 GMT
#55
On April 08 2015 13:12 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote:
I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with.


If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros:

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The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all.


looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
April 09 2015 03:04 GMT
#56
I'm thinking something under 50$.
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cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 03:13:28
April 09 2015 03:09 GMT
#57
Cheap, accurate, simple. Logitech G100s

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Also, this is one of the oldest brands of gaming mousepads, the surface 1030. Still the best.

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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
April 09 2015 05:26 GMT
#58
On April 08 2015 13:12 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote:
I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with.


If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros:

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The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all.


that mouse looks like it would cut your hand the moment you touch it.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 09:16:16
April 09 2015 08:58 GMT
#59
On April 08 2015 13:12 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote:
I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with.


If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros:

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The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all.

Hahaha.... I see what you did there :D
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 09:05:55
April 09 2015 09:03 GMT
#60
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote:
I have a regular 20 $ Walmart logitech mouse right now and it isn't very accurate. Im wondering if I should just get a 30 or 40 $ Logitech gaming mouse, or try a Steel-series gaming mouse? I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with. What is better for BW SteelSeries mice or Logitech mice? What kind of mouse pad would you get?

How is logitech for $20 is not accurate in 640x480 game? First of all no mouse in the world will get you to C+

BW is not SC2 with all its "progamer" gear bullshit campaigns. Training will get you to C+. Replace the mouse only if you are not comfortable with how it feels in your hand and don't waste your money.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 09 2015 09:13 GMT
#61
On April 09 2015 14:26 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 13:12 ninazerg wrote:
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote:
I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with.


If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros:

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The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all.


that mouse looks like it would cut your hand the moment you touch it.

It will fuse with your palm and you will live with it for the rest of your life.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
April 09 2015 09:14 GMT
#62
This is the best you can get for any money.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
April 09 2015 09:46 GMT
#63
Unless you're playing FPS games at mid-low sens or care about the stuff it's bad at, yea pretty gud mouse :D
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 23:02:33
April 09 2015 20:45 GMT
#64
Well i'm thinking about saving my money, and just get a Logitech cloth gaming mouse pad for the mouse I already got. Then see how I do after some long practice. I do miss the microsoft mice though, them were the days of winning records and C- on wgtour. I used to use wire mice but I have slowly gotten used to wireless mice because you can angle them to the left without much tension from the wire.
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sdjklahsjask
Profile Joined March 2015
Canada73 Posts
April 10 2015 03:03 GMT
#65
On April 09 2015 18:14 letian wrote:
This is the best you can get for any money.
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id suck someones dick if i could find one of these for an affordable price

microsoft pls
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 04:40:17
April 10 2015 04:38 GMT
#66
For SCBW, you just need to do some maths. Say, I play at 2500 DPI in 1080p so you I'd probably aim for somewhere around 800 DPI for SCBW. That seems to be the standard for most cheap mice so you have plenty of choice. Just buy one with a decent optical sensor. I have Logitech G100S and I like it far more than the Razer mice I've used but you could easily get away with something cheaper still. I use fingertip grip.

Then again, people who say that "anything is accurate in 480p game" don't really make sense to me because the precision required is still the same.

A thing that's greatly improved my accuracy is playing Osu, especially if you don't use the keyboard at all and just click everything.
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
April 10 2015 08:18 GMT
#67
I can recommend Logitech G100S as mentioned before. One of the best gaming mouses coming from the same line as MX 300 -> G3 -> G100S (one of the best gaming series ever). It's also really cheap when you think about quality.
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plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
April 10 2015 17:55 GMT
#68
Anything from Logitech (even gaming) and everything up to 25$ from Microsoft.
I still have my G5 (refresh) and I still used a CRT when I got it. The 500 and 504 are also very nice. Removable weights are gimmicky though.

Best mouse I played a shooter with was the "Logitech Optical wheel mouse", wich i modded by glueing on the rubber skin of a Basketball to the left MB.

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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
April 12 2015 00:11 GMT
#69
Got me a rubber SteelSeries Sensei 48$
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 01:58:47
April 12 2015 01:22 GMT
#70
On April 08 2015 05:39 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 03:53 DiMiaN wrote:
So, best way to play BW is to have low DPI/CPI? I have Razer Abyssus with 3 dpi options. I had it on 3500dpi. :S After reading this thread I changed it to 450dpi and higher sens on win.


No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled.

Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it.


So 6/11 with pointer precision disabled, works better than 11/11 with pointer precision activated? My Cpi default settings are in the 1000's so should I set them down to about 400?
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broodwarhd2
Profile Joined February 2015
8 Posts
April 12 2015 08:38 GMT
#71
On April 08 2015 05:39 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 03:53 DiMiaN wrote:
So, best way to play BW is to have low DPI/CPI? I have Razer Abyssus with 3 dpi options. I had it on 3500dpi. :S After reading this thread I changed it to 450dpi and higher sens on win.


No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled.

Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it.

Ok but if you keep it at 6/11 then you will need to lower your DPI on your mouse surely in order to get faster pointer movement? So how is that any better of a solution? YOu are literally giving away the sensor accuracy of your mouse by doing so
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 09:43:00
April 12 2015 09:38 GMT
#72
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best mouse ever! :D

No seriously. You might have to try several ones and figure out which one is the best for you. I always prefered small and light mouses. I can not play with heavy/big ones because my hands are so small.
You also have to play around with mouse speed, DPI and acceleration (i personally played without acceleration).
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1547 Posts
April 12 2015 09:53 GMT
#73
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as stated above, i believe this logitech design is old and the best for gaming, i like simple efficient and cheap things, never got into the "ultra sophisticated" disney like mouse gaming with plenty of colors for i started gaming with this...

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neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
April 12 2015 13:18 GMT
#74
mx1000 is the best imo
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
April 12 2015 20:08 GMT
#75
Isn't DPI for a printer? When I run my SteelSeries Engine for the mouse it says CPI Counts Per Inch.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 20:23:31
April 12 2015 20:18 GMT
#76
On April 12 2015 17:38 broodwarhd2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 05:39 Cyro wrote:
On April 08 2015 03:53 DiMiaN wrote:
So, best way to play BW is to have low DPI/CPI? I have Razer Abyssus with 3 dpi options. I had it on 3500dpi. :S After reading this thread I changed it to 450dpi and higher sens on win.


No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled.

Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it.

Ok but if you keep it at 6/11 then you will need to lower your DPI on your mouse surely in order to get faster pointer movement? So how is that any better of a solution? YOu are literally giving away the sensor accuracy of your mouse by doing so

By changing your windows settings, it doesn't only change your sensitivity, it also makes it so that your cursor skips pixels at random times. This means your movement is no longer consistent. It is in no way comparable to changing dpi on your mouse.

I don't understand what you mean by bolded sentence. If I define pointer speed by the screen width divided by the amount of movement needed to cross that screen, in order for it to increase, you need to increase your dpi. The amount of 'dots per inch' moved increases, so you move your cursor a larger amount every inch you move your mouse.
I don't really know much about the technical theory of mice, but in practice, when you need faster movement, you increase your dpi. When you need to be more accurate, you decrease your dpi. The optimal dpi is personal preference. Most important though is that your movement stays consistent regardless of dpi. When you make the same movement over and over again, your cursor will move the same way over and over again. This is not the case with editing speed in windows, and it is thus inferior.

On April 13 2015 05:08 TheGreatOne wrote:
Isn't DPI for a printer? When I run my SteelSeries Engine for the mouse it says CPI Counts Per Inch.
There is no essential difference between the two. Manufacturers, according to wiki, use cpi more often. But I've never seen cpi used in gaming environments. It doesnt really matter which of the two one uses, as long as you use it consistently to avoid confusion.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 23:04:39
April 12 2015 23:00 GMT
#77
On April 12 2015 10:22 TheGreatOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 05:39 Cyro wrote:
On April 08 2015 03:53 DiMiaN wrote:
So, best way to play BW is to have low DPI/CPI? I have Razer Abyssus with 3 dpi options. I had it on 3500dpi. :S After reading this thread I changed it to 450dpi and higher sens on win.


No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled.

Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it.


So 6/11 with pointer precision disabled, works better than 11/11 with pointer precision activated? My Cpi default settings are in the 1000's so I should set them down to about 400?


Enhanced pointer precision changes what the 1/11 - 11/11 slider does.

You should have enhanced pointer precision disabled at all times with a mouse. It's just a huge amount of positive AND NEGATIVE acceleration. There are some niche uses for it, but it shouldn't be anywhere near any system running mouse intensive games for any reason. There are reasons to use some forms of mouse accel - but there is no reason to use the specific implementation that Windows has, because it's horrible.

With the bar at 6/11 sensitivity (middle), you should adjust DPI until you have the sensitivity that you want. Remember that a huge range of sensitivity is fine and you should adjust to what's better, not particularly to what immediately feels good. Adjustment happens very quickly, a few hours to a few days or even a week to adjust to a major sensitivity change is nothing compared to the next 10 years of using a mouse.

I've used everything from 360dpi to 3200dpi for a reasonably long period of time on 1080p. There's no way i'd deviate from ~900dpi +-35% now on that resolution now that i have all of the experience and knowledge, but it took me years of throwing myself into really uncomfortable stuff and using three different good mice to get to that point where i know with a very high amount of confidence what is approximately correct for what situation and why, which styles of movements go with which levels of sensitivity so i can adjust between them in hours instead of days-weeks, etc.
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fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States786 Posts
April 13 2015 06:07 GMT
#78
On April 10 2015 17:18 kogeT wrote:
I can recommend Logitech G100S as mentioned before. One of the best gaming mouses coming from the same line as MX 300 -> G3 -> G100S (one of the best gaming series ever). It's also really cheap when you think about quality.


I been using this mouse for BW for awhile now. I agree its really good for the price ($30 US)
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DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland299 Posts
April 13 2015 07:46 GMT
#79
Read here for more information about mouse sensitivity and DPI. I managed to get 1:1 with in-game speed 9 and 1800dpi. I use mca64launcher to adjust in-game sens.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
April 13 2015 11:44 GMT
#80
I managed to get 1:1 with in-game speed 9 and 1800dpi. I use mca64launcher to adjust in-game sens.


1:1 1800dpi on brood war (640x480) means taking 0.267 inches to cross the entire height of the screen, that's a very high sens (equivalent to over 4k dpi on 1080p)
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6556 Posts
April 13 2015 11:47 GMT
#81
is the g9x a good mouse ?
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 13 2015 12:02 GMT
#82
On April 13 2015 16:46 DiMiaN wrote:
Read here for more information about mouse sensitivity and DPI. I managed to get 1:1 with in-game speed 9 and 1800dpi. I use mca64launcher to adjust in-game sens.

or, just go read the article I wrote, as it's far more accurate and less biased.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 12:10:36
April 13 2015 12:10 GMT
#83
On April 13 2015 20:47 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
is the g9x a good mouse ?



yes in some ways, but sensor tracks inconsistently in an unpredictable and unfixable way that effectively varies your sensitivity by ~5-7% or so. With a good sensor it'd probably be a sweet mouse, a lot of people seem to love the shell
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
April 13 2015 12:18 GMT
#84
Razer Abyssus all the way.
Talking BW B (B+ in 2v2, but that's a couple of years back now) and SC2 Masters. So not Pro, but definitely not shite either.

Not only is it a great, small mouse.
It's dead cheap. great for Starcraft and so incredibly durable.
I've got mine for about 5 years or so now. Been traveling to and from the UK/Germany (I'm an Interpreter, so basically 2-3 trips a month) for a while now, which means lots of knocking the thing around, and I'm always taking my laptop + mouse for a few games in the evenings.

I might be very biased, but for my needs nothing beats my lovely Abyssus.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6556 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 12:27:59
April 13 2015 12:25 GMT
#85
On April 13 2015 21:10 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2015 20:47 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
is the g9x a good mouse ?



yes in some ways, but sensor tracks inconsistently in an unpredictable and unfixable way that effectively varies your sensitivity by ~5-7% or so. With a good sensor it'd probably be a sweet mouse, a lot of people seem to love the shell

i have the g400 and im thinking to change for a more small mouse,but i liked the g9x but looks like is out of edition ? t-t,also thanks for this tip,what do u think of mad catz rat te ?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-13 12:35:23
April 13 2015 12:33 GMT
#86
Bad sensor

Take a look at the logitech g302/g303 (or even the cm storm xornet, though that's a lower end mouse the sensor works well unless you expose it to certain types of strain such as low sensitivity FPS swipes and the shell is good)
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DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland299 Posts
April 13 2015 14:40 GMT
#87
On April 13 2015 21:02 wo1fwood wrote:
or, just go read the article I wrote, as it's far more accurate and less biased.

Sorry didnt know you had an article. Here's the ultimate mouse guide by wo1fwood: Click!
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
April 13 2015 14:53 GMT
#88
On April 13 2015 21:18 sCuMBaG wrote:
Razer Abyssus all the way.
Talking BW B (B+ in 2v2, but that's a couple of years back now) and SC2 Masters. So not Pro, but definitely not shite either.

Not only is it a great, small mouse.
It's dead cheap. great for Starcraft and so incredibly durable.
I've got mine for about 5 years or so now. Been traveling to and from the UK/Germany (I'm an Interpreter, so basically 2-3 trips a month) for a while now, which means lots of knocking the thing around, and I'm always taking my laptop + mouse for a few games in the evenings.

I might be very biased, but for my needs nothing beats my lovely Abyssus.


razer always seem to be hit and miss which varies from person to person. I had a razer abyssus which became spoilt after a year, then replace it with a deathadder 3.5 black that have lasted for like 3 years already and very happy with.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
April 13 2015 17:04 GMT
#89
razer has bad build quality and is even more for marketing than most companies. They like flashy words and high DPI so they change sensors regualarly without regard for some of the qualities that are important to a lot of mouse enthusiasts.

They also have pretty big failure rates for mouse clicks etc - and some of the worst drivers, where turning them on will negatively affect the tracking of your mouse in a significant way. Worse, some of their newer mice do not have onboard memory so using the driver is REQUIRED to use anything aside from default settings
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NubbleST
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 03:25:03
April 14 2015 03:24 GMT
#90
I heard Deathadder 2013 was a really legit mouse though. There's that /v/ list of gaming mice from a few years back. Not sure how legit it is, though.

EDIT: holy crap this image doesn't fit or something. Here's a link
http://i.imgur.com/LFrp5aH.jpg
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 03:32:50
April 14 2015 03:30 GMT
#91
yeah deathadder is a pretty good mouse, what cyro says is generally true most of their other models but deathadder begs to differ.

too bad they discontinued it for their shitty newer models/firmware.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 03:53:18
April 14 2015 03:44 GMT
#92
I got Razer DeathAdder Chroma edition and really can't tell why is it in God mouse tier, I don't think it's that great. Yeah, it's high DPI cool but too damn expensive. Bought random chinese (company is Greece) Bravis BMG-733 which is 4 times cheaper than Razer and flashes with different colors like DeathAdder Chroma edition with high quality wire and truly I don't feel the difference. But its good to buy something with high DPI (+ dpi swithcer). Honestly, I don't really ladder nowadays much so maybe I don't feel the difference. But if you are starting to play no need to buy something expensive for start. You can get into B rank by cheapest thing. What I can suggest is stay away from wireless mouses.

I browsed gear of SC2 (ex BW too) players and most of them use Razer Abyssus.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Pro_gear
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 03:58:41
April 14 2015 03:56 GMT
#93
On April 14 2015 12:44 outscar wrote:
I browsed gear of SC2 (ex BW too) players and most of them use Razer Abyssus.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Pro_gear


eh they are sponsored by those brands so they are forced to use them. so they pick the best option which is usually abyssus/deathadder if razer sponsors them.
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
April 14 2015 04:02 GMT
#94
Cyro what do you think about the SteelSeries mice?
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10144 Posts
April 14 2015 04:11 GMT
#95
if you are having mouse accuracy problems, thats not your mouse problem, thats your own problem and problems with aiming. you can play a game like osu to fix that if you want xD

honestly there really is no difference between a regular mouse and a gaming mouse aside from customizable dpi and macros and shit.
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NubbleST
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
April 14 2015 04:26 GMT
#96
I dunno, a lot of mice have issues with acceleration. I agree it doesn't matter for the most part. It's probably a bigger deal for professional FPS players, though.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
April 14 2015 09:56 GMT
#97
That /v/ image is 2 years out of date (when actual change has happened) and it was bad at the time.

The Deathadder 2013 is good but not amazing. No onboard memory so has to use the awful driver 24/7. Some quoted lag/smoothness with the sensor compared to other mice. Questionable build quality and longevity

honestly there really is no difference between a regular mouse and a gaming mouse aside from customizable dpi and macros and shit.


for someone who doesn't particularly care about having awesome-tier mouse accuracy and who never loads an FPS game, that can be true - although stuff like the glide and usability of mouse shape is a big thing too. If you use any random mouse on whatever desk with no mouse feet or mousepad, then of course you don't care
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cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-17 18:17:01
April 17 2015 18:16 GMT
#98
On April 12 2015 18:38 TaShadan wrote:
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best mouse ever! :D

No seriously. You might have to try several ones and figure out which one is the best for you. I always prefered small and light mouses. I can not play with heavy/big ones because my hands are so small.
You also have to play around with mouse speed, DPI and acceleration (i personally played without acceleration).


Ahhh the MX300. This is definitely the best mouse ever made, but unfortunately has been out of production for like 10 years. I use the G100s which is as close to that as they make anymore.
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lol_dominion
Profile Joined April 2015
7 Posts
April 18 2015 15:19 GMT
#99
MiCo mouse in stock again:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1140101&p_id=10231&seq=1&format=2
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 16:10:28
April 18 2015 16:09 GMT
#100
On April 14 2015 12:30 Probemicro wrote:
yeah deathadder is a pretty good mouse, what cyro says is generally true most of their other models but deathadder begs to differ.

too bad they discontinued it for their shitty newer models/firmware.


They also have pretty big failure rates for mouse clicks etc - and some of the worst drivers, where turning them on will negatively affect the tracking of your mouse in a significant way. Worse, some of their newer mice do not have onboard memory so using the driver is REQUIRED to use anything aside from default settings


This stuff applies to their newest mice too

Cyro what do you think about the SteelSeries mice?


Pretty much all of the mice brands with more than a few products have some shit and some usable-good stuff. The Rival is good if you want a big mouse
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 20:30:39
May 04 2015 20:22 GMT
#101
I have a ton of Mice from my counterstrike days..But not a zowie mico. I'm going to buy one soon and see how it feels for sc2/bw
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10144 Posts
May 04 2015 21:13 GMT
#102
eblues are very cheap but good for their price c:
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-31 01:32:57
October 30 2015 22:43 GMT
#103
Bumping for a serious reason because I see there were some experts here in this topic (especially Cyro) who can help me with my question.

A lot of cheap mice have 1000 DPI with no switching option nowadays. I bought Logitech M100 and RX250 which look the most similar out there for legendary LMO (Logitech Mini Optical) which korean pro's of BW used to which had 400 DPI. Now both of my mice got 1000 DPI with no changable software.

So is there a way to get 400 DPI maybe using Windows sensitivity? I heard from Scan that 4/11 is best but does it means I will get 400 DPI feeling with it? Why no 5/11 or 3/11? What is most/exact close?
(also don't forget that BW is 640x480)
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-31 00:33:48
October 31 2015 00:30 GMT
#104
On October 31 2015 07:43 outscar wrote:
Bumping for a serious reason because I see there were some experts here in this topic (especially Cyro) who can help me with my question.

A lot of cheap mice have 1000 DPI with no switching option nowadays. I bought Logitech M100 and RX250 which look the most similar out there for legendary LMO (Logitech Mini Optical) which korean pro's of BW used to which had 400 DPI. Now both of my mice got 1000 DPI with no changable software.

So is there a way to get 400 DPI maybe using Windows sensitivity? I heard from Scan that 4/11 is best but does it mean I will get 400 DPI feeling with it? Why no 5/11 or 3/11? What is most/exact close?
(also don't forget that BW is 640x480)



I won't be able to answer your question but to be honest with you, since I switch from ps2 mouse to usb mouse i never felt a difference again... I think the mousepad you chose would make a much more difference than the DPI, if you have a rx250 which is mine, I personally use a surface 1030.
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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
October 31 2015 00:38 GMT
#105
Pretty sure 6/11 is the best setting for Windows unless it's different for BW, but yes you could lower it to make 1000 dpi slower. The difference between 400 and 1000 dpi isn't that important as long as the sensitivity feels good to you in game. I think you can change the sensitivity using mcalauncher too.
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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-31 03:44:58
October 31 2015 03:40 GMT
#106
Scan's Mouse Setting
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Mouse: Commatech M1

Note: With Logtiech Mini Optical Mouse(400dpi), I put the mouse speed on the default(6/11).
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-31 04:39:21
October 31 2015 04:27 GMT
#107
Thanks all for feedback.

@iFU.pauline
Well, I'm not really familiar with all types of surfaces and not sure if it's impact for mouse is really huge to consider but as far as I know from what I got that Razer Control edition's are for RTS and Speed edition's are for FPS. F.e. KesPA mousepads surface is made alike Control edition's, so best choice for BW is non sliding surface. I think I saw Func Surface 1030 most times in my life but can't get one here sadly.

@Sero
I really feel difference between 400 DPI and 1000 DPI - last one is really fast for me and I can't properly micro. Yes, I'm sure that I can get used but everyone got his own style and thus different hand movements. Most say that DPI has nothing to do with sensitivity and speed but in real it really matters and affects speed of cursor.

Scan's mouse settings seems by far perfect and most suiting. After making couple tests I switched 4/11 and now can split my scv's like god. Also I was really paranoiac about "Enhance pointer precision" after reading posts that some mice/programs can turn it on automatically to enable mouse acceleration even if you ticked it off so I edited registry to disable this fuckery. I can't really remember exact registry changes but here you can find so many options: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html

@LaStScan
Scan, if you got LMO do you feel the same 400 DPI (default 6/11) to comparison from your 1000 DPI Commatech mouse when you switch it to 4/11 sensitivity? If so every mouse with 1000 DPI should feel like 400 DPI with those settings.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-31 04:57:39
October 31 2015 04:55 GMT
#108
dpi/cpi is the only measure of sensitivity in 2d applications if everything else is set up "correctly" - the mouse will move 200 pixels for 200 counts.

lowering sens below 6/11 makes windows only move 1 pixel after a certain number of sensor counts. For 4/11, your sens is effectively halved and it's not too bad, but is maybe noticable in minor ways compared to just running at half DPI.

5/11 is 0.75x sens and it moves for 3 pixels every 4 counts so it is very jittery/inconsistent. As you move the mouse sideways, it moves 1 pixel then another pixel then another pixel and then it doesn't move at all on the next sensor count before moving a fourth pixel on the 5'th count, so there is a disruption in the smoothness of the cursor which has some bad effects.

all of my recent mice could set low sens effectively, my xornet did 500dpi; g402/g303 will go down lower (3366 sensor in g303 will do 200 to any value you want in steps of 50, for example)
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 31 2015 05:25 GMT
#109
I see that modern mouses aren't gonna support 1998 game thus you barely can find cheap 400 DPI without drivers like old times. Getting 400 DPI is impossible if your mouse isn't 800 DPI but 500 DPI - half of 1000 sounds alright, 100 DPI difference isn't end of world. But another problem is most of firm's DPI isn't 100% accurate thus 1000DPI mouse with 4/11=500 DPI and 800DPI mouse with 4/11=400DPI to comparison finally 400DPI≠500DPI but ≈ in terms of feelings that 100 can make huge difference.

I read a guide where 1-2-3-4-6/11 regimes are alright when 5 is like you said inconsistent and 7/8/9/10/11 will skip pixels. Thanks for explanation.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
October 31 2015 07:23 GMT
#110
Getting 400 DPI is impossible if your mouse isn't 800 DPI


MANY mice with good sensors support 400dpi well these days. It's just not a common DPI because mainstream screens have doubled in pixel height and tripled in width
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-31 08:26:20
October 31 2015 08:02 GMT
#111
the most important thing is picking a mouse that fits your hand/compliments your mouse grip. once you have a list of mice narrow them down based of their performance (avago 3310, 3090 sensors are good), tbh RTS games dont require super high performance mice like FPS games do so it really isnt that big of a deal.

my suggestion would be to prioritize picking a comfortable/light mouse. i have about 10-15 mice and im currently using a SS Kinzu @ 800 DPI, it fits my hand perfectly and i like the overall feel of it. everyone is gonna have different preferences tho.

P.S: is there an updated version of this list?

http://cdn.overclock.net/1/1f/1fea65b7_Mouse-Sizing-Chart.jpeg
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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-31 23:27:27
October 31 2015 23:18 GMT
#112
On October 31 2015 13:27 outscar wrote:
Thanks all for feedback.

@iFU.pauline
Well, I'm not really familiar with all types of surfaces and not sure if it's impact for mouse is really huge to consider but as far as I know from what I got that Razer Control edition's are for RTS and Speed edition's are for FPS. F.e. KesPA mousepads surface is made alike Control edition's, so best choice for BW is non sliding surface. I think I saw Func Surface 1030 most times in my life but can't get one here sadly.

@Sero
I really feel difference between 400 DPI and 1000 DPI - last one is really fast for me and I can't properly micro. Yes, I'm sure that I can get used but everyone got his own style and thus different hand movements. Most say that DPI has nothing to do with sensitivity and speed but in real it really matters and affects speed of cursor.

Scan's mouse settings seems by far perfect and most suiting. After making couple tests I switched 4/11 and now can split my scv's like god. Also I was really paranoiac about "Enhance pointer precision" after reading posts that some mice/programs can turn it on automatically to enable mouse acceleration even if you ticked it off so I edited registry to disable this fuckery. I can't really remember exact registry changes but here you can find so many options: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html

@LaStScan
Scan, if you got LMO do you feel the same 400 DPI (default 6/11) to comparison from your 1000 DPI Commatech mouse when you switch it to 4/11 sensitivity? If so every mouse with 1000 DPI should feel like 400 DPI with those settings.


No, I felt it feels little awkward. Does anyone know where I can test my mouse's DPI? I mentioned as 400 DPI because some people were saying 400 and 800. I also have tried using Zowie Mico mouse, and I found out that 400 DPI(6/11 setting) did not feel the same as Logitech Mini Optical(6/11). Logitech Mini Optical mouse might be 500 DPI. Who knows? I still have a box of Logitech Mini Optical mouse(Football Edition), but it does not tell me anything about DPI.

Logitech Mini Optical 400 DPI (6/11) setting did not feel the same as Commatech M1 1000 DPI (4/11).
Also, Zowie Mico 800 DPI (4/11) setting did not feel the same as Commatech M1 1000 DPI (4/11).
And Logitech Mini Optical 400 DPI (6/11) setting did not feel the same as Zowie Mico 400 DPI (6/11).
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 01 2015 01:22 GMT
#113
I like to use a mouse which lets the user decide the DPI.
That's why I generally use Razer mice. I just clean it out with some cloth once every two months when it starts being ineffective.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
November 01 2015 17:05 GMT
#114
Does anyone know where I can test my mouse's DPI?


The easiest and most effective way is to measure it physially. Move 4 inches and see if the line is 1600 pixels

do it 5 times

some mice say one DPI but actually do another. Like there are some "1800dpi" mice out there that are closer to 1600
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 02 2015 00:28 GMT
#115
Just bought one of those cheapo mystery brand gaming mice off amazon and couldn't be happier. Tired of replacing broken $60 logitech mice.
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
November 02 2015 05:53 GMT
#116
the question is pretty vague, which league exactly do you want to play on ICCUP? For D+ you need at least to spend 50$. However if you want to play in the higher leagues (above C+) you should defintly consider spendings at least 100$.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 02 2015 07:20 GMT
#117
On November 02 2015 14:53 bypLy wrote:
the question is pretty vague, which league exactly do you want to play on ICCUP? For D+ you need at least to spend 50$. However if you want to play in the higher leagues (above C+) you should defintly consider spendings at least 100$.

lol what ?
It's not how it works.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
November 02 2015 09:18 GMT
#118
i wonder how good Bisu would be if he played with a 100$ mouse as opposed to his 10$ one..
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LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
November 03 2015 02:00 GMT
#119
On November 02 2015 18:18 TT1 wrote:
i wonder how good Bisu would be if he played with a 100$ mouse as opposed to his 10$ one..


$ is not the important thing. Whichever feels comfortable, the player should stick to that mouse.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
November 03 2015 05:39 GMT
#120
On April 07 2015 09:18 GGzerG wrote:
Razer Abyssus, it is the best mouse ever made for RTS and is perfect for BW, maybe even better for BW than SC2.


I concur!
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
November 03 2015 06:07 GMT
#121
Man, I only use a cheap $4 mouse.
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
November 03 2015 08:14 GMT
#122
On November 02 2015 16:20 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 14:53 bypLy wrote:
the question is pretty vague, which league exactly do you want to play on ICCUP? For D+ you need at least to spend 50$. However if you want to play in the higher leagues (above C+) you should defintly consider spendings at least 100$.

lol what ?
It's not how it works.


sure it is, if you want to play B/B+, you defintly need the latest razor gear worth at least 300$. A friend of mine has all equipment there is and he made it to B+. When he bought tapes for his wrists and a 1:1 replication of a professional booth along with the latest TL chair, he finally got to A-.

Its pretty unfair especially if you are poor and cant afford all that stuff.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6556 Posts
November 03 2015 09:03 GMT
#123
On November 03 2015 17:14 bypLy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 16:20 Glioburd wrote:
On November 02 2015 14:53 bypLy wrote:
the question is pretty vague, which league exactly do you want to play on ICCUP? For D+ you need at least to spend 50$. However if you want to play in the higher leagues (above C+) you should defintly consider spendings at least 100$.

lol what ?
It's not how it works.


sure it is, if you want to play B/B+, you defintly need the latest razor gear worth at least 300$. A friend of mine has all equipment there is and he made it to B+. When he bought tapes for his wrists and a 1:1 replication of a professional booth along with the latest TL chair, he finally got to A-.

Its pretty unfair especially if you are poor and cant afford all that stuff.

Loooooooooooooool
ArtOfBlack
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland93 Posts
November 03 2015 12:34 GMT
#124
lol i use normal KTEC 9500 and i pay around 20$
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
November 03 2015 15:43 GMT
#125
I have used many Mices in my life and I can say that there are some improvements that can be beneficial, but in most cases it depends on your hand and playstyle.

For example, I like finger grip so for me a small and light-weight Mice is important.
However, for FPS I like slightly low movement speed so I need to either change the mice or change the DPI.
How ever I have a huge PRO tip for all of those who dont know about it:

The surface is more important than the mice.

This is due to how mices work. They pick up every inconsistency in the surface, no matter how small.

Many try to buy fancy mice pads but in my personal experience, a very clean polished table works wonders in mice accuracy.

However, some people like me have sweat problems while playing for long time so for that a big pad from a cloth type texture can work decently well.

Another thing that is important is to have the perfect accuracy/speed ratio.

This is something quite easy to understand and change but hard to get used to.

First and foremost: Make sure you mice is set to the SAME speed in Broodwar and your desktop.
If you have a different speed, every time you go out of broodwar your mind and muscle memory will begin to change the broodwar mindset to another one (other games, desktop, etc).

Second: Your mice speed should be fast enough to got from one corner of the screen to another corner of the screen in a single move, at around 80% of your total capacity of movement (this means that if you need to lift the mice, or move your elbow to get from corner to corner, the speed is too low), yet slow enough to get from one zergling to another adjacent zergling without feeling forced (you msut be able to move naturally, not focusing especially hard to to move the mice "slowly").

There should be plenty of room for both.
Then of course you need to get used to it, takes around 3 weeks of daily use.
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ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
November 03 2015 16:27 GMT
#126
razer diamondback #1 rts mouse global
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-03 20:35:52
November 03 2015 20:19 GMT
#127
Just get one that you like and are comfortable with.

On the fly DPS adjustments are nice because when you go into BW your mouse sensitivity will jump up like crazy because of the resolution.

So I drop mine from like 800 to 250 or so for BW.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 04 2015 01:52 GMT
#128
i used a cheap 10$ microsoft mouse for yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrs and loved it
find one you like
anyone who tells you youre going to gain ranks by buying a mouse/keyboard the pros use is a fucking moron
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 04 2015 07:27 GMT
#129
MS Wheel Mouse Optical ftw !
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 04 2015 11:54 GMT
#130
On November 04 2015 16:27 Glioburd wrote:
MS Wheel Mouse Optical ftw !

Think mine was an Intellimouse 3000 or something
it was a big ass mouse and had a magnifying glass app
was pretty cool
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 04 2015 12:08 GMT
#131
Yes they are very similar. I really like it, light, no problems from the sensor, not too small, not too big. Also I use it for 6 years and it still works perfectly, better than the 6 months of my Razer Abyssus (which was a good mouse apart from that).
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10004 Posts
November 10 2015 23:04 GMT
#132
On November 03 2015 11:00 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 18:18 TT1 wrote:
i wonder how good Bisu would be if he played with a 100$ mouse as opposed to his 10$ one..


$ is not the important thing. Whichever feels comfortable, the player should stick to that mouse.


i was being sarcastic :D
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
November 11 2015 06:03 GMT
#133
I used LMO for years when I play BW until it's fucking hard to find it here. Switching to G400 three years ago (after using mx518 for 3 years and trying few razer/ss products) never look back again.

Both logitech are excellent mice, but my G400 is the better one - one of the best mouse I ever used. Razer have bad build quality (broken down after around 12 months of use) and steelseries was crap for the price.


TL;DR
Go for the mouse you most comfortable with. My friend use those logitech trackpad mouse and still kicking my ass at CSGO.


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shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-12 01:13:26
November 11 2015 10:39 GMT
#134
I'm a huge advocate of matching pixels with dpi so it depends which mode you play in (2x wmode or classic 640x480 fullscreen).

Assuming 4:3 640x480 fullscreen:
You want a mouse with 800 dpi.
Why is that so?

Ideally you want the windows mouse sensivity sitting at at 6/11 (with no acceleration) because then you have (almost) no interpolation which deteriorates accuracy. Which means you'll manage sensivity with the DPI itself. You want DPI that matches the (used) screen diagonal in pixels (640² + 480² = x² --> x = 800) so you can easily move across it. There are many mice with 800 DPI or a 800 DPI mode so you can find everything from cheap and bad, low-priced but surprisingly good all the way up to very expensive mice. Avoid laser mice because they are unreliable. Look for optical (infrared) sensors.

You could also get a mouse with freely adjustable DPI and set it to 800 but I would advice against that.
First: You probably need a custom driver/software for that which is always the worse option to using just the default windows interface because it adds another layer of complexity and probably delay.
Second: Sensors with freely adjustable DPI have to interpolate themselves to get to that value so you swap one interpolation with another.
Third: Those tend to be expensive.

More DPI than 800 are wasted in Broodwar and probably makes the mouse more finicky and thus less accurate for most people.

My recommendation:

A Zowie EC1, EC2, FK1 or FK2 (the one with the ergonomics that suit you most) with the sensor set to 800 DPI mode.

Those are excellent mice with extreme durability. They're optimised to be used with the default windows driver and all settings can be adjusted on the mouse with no additional software needed. They also have 1000hz USB polling rate by default which is always nice (can be lowered if needed).





A complete alternative option: Go oldschool and get a mechanical mouse (those with a ball) and a good mousepad for that type of mouse (I can recommend slightly hardened rubber). It really fits for Broodwar, because these are the mice which have been played with back in the day.

Be prepared to clean the insides after every match (yes, you'll get paranoid) but that's like getting new strings on your guitar for every concert. You'll even like it after some time as a way to relax and focus on the new match.
Some dealers still sell factory new Boomslangs from time to time which have been hoarded in storage quite a lot but they heavily vary in price (and don't be surprised if they're are NOT from razer ^_^). I would get one if I find it for less than 40 bucks.

I play Broodwar with a Boomslang on my second PC and it feels awesome :D
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
November 11 2015 22:08 GMT
#135
If you don't mind spending a bit more than needed for a mouse, I recommend Steelseries Sensei. It is a simple small mouse with great accuracy and buttons. It just clicks well & fast and is very solid, it lasts a long time. It has a small weight. Bought it love it. But there are many cheaper mice that do the job just fine.
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