EPTWhat kind of gaming mouse should I get for BW?
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TheGreatOne
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DarkNetHunter
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Accuracy is more likely to come from having your sensitivity set too high, or mouse acceleration in windows activated/deactivated depending on what you're used to. Last but not least you can train your precision clicking in BW with maps like 1a2a3a micro etc. | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
On April 07 2015 05:07 DarkNetHunter wrote: Been using a 5$ Logitech for 6 years, no complaints. BW doesn't require some fancyass mouse, just something you're comfortable with that has an easy click. Accuracy is more likely to come from having your sensitivity set too high, or mouse acceleration in windows activated/deactivated depending on what you're used to. Last but not least you can train your precision clicking in BW with maps like 1a2a3a micro etc. Do you mean having my pointer speed set too high could be affecting my accuracy? | ||
PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
On April 07 2015 05:13 TheGreatOne wrote: Do you mean having my pointer speed set too high could be affecting my accuracy? If you set your mouse sensitivity through windows higher than 6 out of 11 notches, you will start skipping pixels. - I have no idea how to change mouse sensitivity in-game, other than to use a launcher setting (which doesn't actually work for me). For a new mouse, I'm thinking you could get a g100s and use drivers to lower the dpi to 400, or just get a wmo for that authentic 2006 feel. I don't think anybody here believes the quality of your mouse has any impact on your performance as a BW player, since most pros used cheap garbage and did well anyways. QCK or allsop raindrop are good mousepads. | ||
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skzlime
Hungary462 Posts
just download some RAM if your mouse is not accurate anyway, i've been using the same razer diamondback for 11 years now, and it easily got me B on iccup | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On April 07 2015 05:46 skzlime wrote: are you serious just download some RAM if your mouse is not accurate anyway, i've been using the same razer diamondback for 11 years now, and it easily got me B on iccup Yeah, but you have been playing in the easy days of Brood War. I mean, it's a really old game and there's a reason why people do have these kind of questions - hello! - there's a thing called professionalism. Best mouse in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://hardware-shuttle.homepage.t-online.de/ebay/garagesale/images/quickshot-1414354591-212.jpg)
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On April 07 2015 05:54 GeckoXp wrote: Yeah, but you have been playing in the easy days of Brood War. I mean, it's a really old game and there's a reason why people do have these kind of questions - hello! - there's a thing called professionalism. Best mouse in spoiler: + Show Spoiler +
I know a guy who's C on iccup (B 2v2) using a Trackball. For years I've begged him to do an FPVOD | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States346 Posts
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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On April 07 2015 08:27 TheGreatOne wrote: The real question is then is does a gaming mouse and a gaming mouse pad actually improve performance at all? Sorry admins I just now found the Tech Support if this can be moved to there I would appreciate it. Sorry.. Of course a mouse that doesn't suck, feel uncomfortable when you hold it, skip pixels or have have built-in acceleration will help you. Which mouse is best however, is all up to your preference. There is a good thread about mice here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/174311-the-ultimate-mouse-thread | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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TelecoM
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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shizzz
Australia127 Posts
On April 07 2015 12:04 TheGreatOne wrote: Do you guys think a Logitech M310 Walmart mouse is capable of C rank on Iccup? Definitely. A mouse isn't that important, it's the amount of time you give the game and how you use it. | ||
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gade1123
United States144 Posts
![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zaHnyhXFAWA/VSNoCVJgRtI/AAAAAAAAAKg/gAULsjr3-N4/s1600/2015-04-07_12-15-14-AM.jpg) | ||
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
![[image loading]](http://media.ldlc.com/ld3/300/2004/LD0000460137.jpg) + ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BMIU3FIyL._SY300_.jpg) = A- with ~160APM On April 07 2015 12:04 TheGreatOne wrote: Do you guys think a Logitech M310 Walmart mouse is capable of C rank on Iccup? yes, any mouse is, as long as u can play with it. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10663 Posts
Abyssus was made for RTS. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10663 Posts
On April 07 2015 15:05 Bakuryu wrote: + = A- with ~160APM yes, any mouse is, as long as u can play with it. Wow, I need one of those gel wrist wrests....10+ years playing StarCraft and never had one....no wonder I have terrible callas on my wrist >_< | ||
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NubbleST
United States86 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10663 Posts
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idegelchik
Russian Federation382 Posts
 with old mouse i made only 7001. p.s. im protoss170-180apm | ||
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Piste
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On April 07 2015 15:08 GGzerG wrote: Wow, I need one of those gel wrist wrests....10+ years playing StarCraft and never had one....no wonder I have terrible callas on my wrist >_< I've tried to use one several times, but I always feel like it makes my mouse hand slower..  | ||
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Filco
France154 Posts
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KameZerg
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sabas123
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Filco
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Oystein
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1587 Posts
On April 07 2015 06:07 duke91 wrote: I know a guy who's C on iccup (B 2v2) using a Trackball. For years I've begged him to do an FPVOD B+ with a ball mouse here, bam!!! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On April 07 2015 16:12 GGzerG wrote: I thought the gel rests are supposed to prevent carpal tunnel? I guess while playing BW it would be different? ?_? Those rests are only usable with high sensitivities and limit your movement style a little bit. I was about to post that you shouldn't use them because of wrist issues with intensive mouse uses. Generally with those sensitivities, people move VERY heavily with the wrist and sometimes (very bad) tense wrist | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On April 07 2015 23:07 Cyro wrote: ..stuff.. Happy birthday! | ||
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Cyro
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
1:1 sens and no fuckery with acceleration and such from OS | ||
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NubbleST
United States86 Posts
On April 07 2015 16:12 GGzerG wrote: I thought the gel rests are supposed to prevent carpal tunnel? I guess while playing BW it would be different? ?_? I'd need to find a source, but iirc it's better than pressing your wrist against your desk, but you'd ideally have good enough postures where you don't put pressure on your CT at all. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On April 08 2015 01:53 NubbleST wrote: I'd need to find a source, but iirc it's better than pressing your wrist against your desk, but you'd ideally have good enough postures where you don't put pressure on your CT at all. Best thing to do is to have proper posture (arm naturally being slightly above desk) and use a mouse sensitivity and grip that allows you to control the cursor well without tensing wrist at all, with a focus on fingertip and arm movement as opposed to the worst thing you can do (high sens, tight grip and wrist pivot everywhere) | ||
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TelecoM
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Yorbon
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On April 08 2015 03:23 Yorbon wrote: Apparently I play the worst possible way, lol. Super tight grip, pretty high sens, and 80% of my movement is wrist pivot. Your sens is like tectonic plate movements compared to some users. I have more than a few people on skype contacts (and have talked to on forums) who insist 2-3k DPI on 1080p is too slow you also have 0 positive/negative accel and actually control mouse well so you're not squeezing it trying not to overshoot things all of the time | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On April 08 2015 03:38 Cyro wrote: yeah, true, although it's gotten worse since i've pushed my limits less hard in that regard. Regarding accuracy, I train muscle memory more than trying to 'go somewhere on screen really fast'. Also, the tightness of my grip correlates more with bpm than accuracy, I think that's worth mentioning as well.Your sens is like tectonic plate movements compared to some users. I have more than a few people on skype contacts (and have talked to on forums) who insist 2-3k DPI on 1080p is too slow you also have 0 positive/negative accel and actually control mouse well so you're not squeezing it trying not to overshoot things all of the time | ||
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DiMiaN
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On April 08 2015 03:53 DiMiaN wrote: So, best way to play BW is to have low DPI/CPI? I have Razer Abyssus with 3 dpi options. I had it on 3500dpi. :S After reading this thread I changed it to 450dpi and higher sens on win. No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled. Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it. | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On April 08 2015 06:16 TheGreatOne wrote: bw colors have little to do with mouse sensitivity as far as i'm aware. There are some color bugs due newer windows versions for example, but there are some fixes for that (google...)I have my pointer speed set on the fastest speed, is that why when I run bw the color is all messed up? Should I just lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision or just lower the speed and leave pointer precision checked? Pointer precision should always be turned off, windows pointer speed should always be neutral. So yes, you should lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision. I don't really know any more than that, but of this I'm quite sure.. | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
On April 08 2015 06:46 Yorbon wrote: bw colors have little to do with mouse sensitivity as far as i'm aware. There are some color bugs due newer windows versions for example, but there are some fixes for that (google...) Pointer precision should always be turned off, windows pointer speed should always be neutral. So yes, you should lower the speed and uncheck pointer precision. I don't really know any more than that, but of this I'm quite sure.. Okay thank you very much! Maybe that is why I couldn't split my beginning workers, or micro very well. Lol | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6633 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [this one, with standard logitech for s…] + ![[image loading]](http://img.tomshardware.com/uk/2003/01/03/post/mice2.jpg) | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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sdjklahsjask
Canada73 Posts
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sertas
Sweden879 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote: I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with. If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/o6n32O3.jpg) The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all. | ||
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sdjklahsjask
Canada73 Posts
On April 08 2015 13:12 ninazerg wrote: If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros: The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all. looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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cava
United States1035 Posts
![[image loading]](http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/47819/2/g100s-gaming-mouse-images.png) Also, this is one of the oldest brands of gaming mousepads, the surface 1030. Still the best. ![[image loading]](http://www.materiel.net/live/1591.jpg) | ||
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Probemicro
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On April 08 2015 13:12 ninazerg wrote: If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros: The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all. that mouse looks like it would cut your hand the moment you touch it. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On April 08 2015 13:12 ninazerg wrote: If you want to get higher than D+, you're going to need a serious mouse. A normal logitech mouse is probably not going to cut it in the competitive world of StarCraft. That's just the truth. What you absolutely must have is the Razer Ourobouros: The Razer Ouroboros delivers the ultimate in comfort and functionality. It’s wireless, a rarity for the gaming scene, but boasts a latency-free connection and a rechargeable dock that can double as a wired connection. Its ambidextrous design is good for both left- and right-handed gamers, and it has an abundance of physical adjustments so you can tune it to the perfect comfort setting. If you're serious about playing Brood War, you essentially must purchase this mouse, or else you may as well not even play at all. Hahaha.... I see what you did there :D | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On April 07 2015 05:00 TheGreatOne wrote: I have a regular 20 $ Walmart logitech mouse right now and it isn't very accurate. Im wondering if I should just get a 30 or 40 $ Logitech gaming mouse, or try a Steel-series gaming mouse? I want a mouse that is going to get me to D/D+/C-/C/C+ levels on iccup to just start out with. What is better for BW SteelSeries mice or Logitech mice? What kind of mouse pad would you get? How is logitech for $20 is not accurate in 640x480 game? First of all no mouse in the world will get you to C+ BW is not SC2 with all its "progamer" gear bullshit campaigns. Training will get you to C+. Replace the mouse only if you are not comfortable with how it feels in your hand and don't waste your money. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On April 09 2015 14:26 Probemicro wrote: that mouse looks like it would cut your hand the moment you touch it. It will fuse with your palm and you will live with it for the rest of your life. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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sdjklahsjask
Canada73 Posts
On April 09 2015 18:14 letian wrote: This is the best you can get for any money. id suck someones dick if i could find one of these for an affordable price microsoft pls | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Then again, people who say that "anything is accurate in 480p game" don't really make sense to me because the precision required is still the same. A thing that's greatly improved my accuracy is playing Osu, especially if you don't use the keyboard at all and just click everything. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2031 Posts
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
I still have my G5 (refresh) and I still used a CRT when I got it. The 500 and 504 are also very nice. Removable weights are gimmicky though. Best mouse I played a shooter with was the "Logitech Optical wheel mouse", wich i modded by glueing on the rubber skin of a Basketball to the left MB. ![[image loading]](http://www.advanceddesignky.com/pictures/logoptical.jpg) | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
On April 08 2015 05:39 Cyro wrote: No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled. Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it. So 6/11 with pointer precision disabled, works better than 11/11 with pointer precision activated? My Cpi default settings are in the 1000's so should I set them down to about 400? | ||
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broodwarhd2
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On April 08 2015 05:39 Cyro wrote: No, you should never change your windows sensitivity. It should always be at 1:1 (which is 6/11) with enhance pointer precision disabled. Since brood war plays at 640x480, that means that 400dpi when playing brood war is the same as having 900dpi on a 1080p screen, for how far you have to move the mouse to cross the screen vertically. That's a very good sensitivity level and you should not deviate far from it. Ok but if you keep it at 6/11 then you will need to lower your DPI on your mouse surely in order to get faster pointer movement? So how is that any better of a solution? YOu are literally giving away the sensor accuracy of your mouse by doing so | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1961 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.dansdata.com/images/logitechmx/mx300back520.jpg) best mouse ever! :D No seriously. You might have to try several ones and figure out which one is the best for you. I always prefered small and light mouses. I can not play with heavy/big ones because my hands are so small. You also have to play around with mouse speed, DPI and acceleration (i personally played without acceleration). | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1457 Posts
![[image loading]](http://images.grosbill.com/imagesproduitnew/imagesgallery/BIG/21544.jpg) as stated above, i believe this logitech design is old and the best for gaming, i like simple efficient and cheap things, never got into the "ultra sophisticated" disney like mouse gaming with plenty of colors for i started gaming with this... ![[image loading]](http://dcicomp.com/old/parts/mouse%20mswheel.jpg) | ||
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neteX
Sweden285 Posts
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On April 12 2015 17:38 broodwarhd2 wrote: Ok but if you keep it at 6/11 then you will need to lower your DPI on your mouse surely in order to get faster pointer movement? So how is that any better of a solution? YOu are literally giving away the sensor accuracy of your mouse by doing so By changing your windows settings, it doesn't only change your sensitivity, it also makes it so that your cursor skips pixels at random times. This means your movement is no longer consistent. It is in no way comparable to changing dpi on your mouse. I don't understand what you mean by bolded sentence. If I define pointer speed by the screen width divided by the amount of movement needed to cross that screen, in order for it to increase, you need to increase your dpi. The amount of 'dots per inch' moved increases, so you move your cursor a larger amount every inch you move your mouse. I don't really know much about the technical theory of mice, but in practice, when you need faster movement, you increase your dpi. When you need to be more accurate, you decrease your dpi. The optimal dpi is personal preference. Most important though is that your movement stays consistent regardless of dpi. When you make the same movement over and over again, your cursor will move the same way over and over again. This is not the case with editing speed in windows, and it is thus inferior. On April 13 2015 05:08 TheGreatOne wrote: There is no essential difference between the two. Manufacturers, according to wiki, use cpi more often. But I've never seen cpi used in gaming environments. It doesnt really matter which of the two one uses, as long as you use it consistently to avoid confusion.Isn't DPI for a printer? When I run my SteelSeries Engine for the mouse it says CPI Counts Per Inch. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On April 12 2015 10:22 TheGreatOne wrote: So 6/11 with pointer precision disabled, works better than 11/11 with pointer precision activated? My Cpi default settings are in the 1000's so I should set them down to about 400? Enhanced pointer precision changes what the 1/11 - 11/11 slider does. You should have enhanced pointer precision disabled at all times with a mouse. It's just a huge amount of positive AND NEGATIVE acceleration. There are some niche uses for it, but it shouldn't be anywhere near any system running mouse intensive games for any reason. There are reasons to use some forms of mouse accel - but there is no reason to use the specific implementation that Windows has, because it's horrible. With the bar at 6/11 sensitivity (middle), you should adjust DPI until you have the sensitivity that you want. Remember that a huge range of sensitivity is fine and you should adjust to what's better, not particularly to what immediately feels good. Adjustment happens very quickly, a few hours to a few days or even a week to adjust to a major sensitivity change is nothing compared to the next 10 years of using a mouse. I've used everything from 360dpi to 3200dpi for a reasonably long period of time on 1080p. There's no way i'd deviate from ~900dpi +-35% now on that resolution now that i have all of the experience and knowledge, but it took me years of throwing myself into really uncomfortable stuff and using three different good mice to get to that point where i know with a very high amount of confidence what is approximately correct for what situation and why, which styles of movements go with which levels of sensitivity so i can adjust between them in hours instead of days-weeks, etc. | ||
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fearthequeen
United States786 Posts
On April 10 2015 17:18 kogeT wrote: I can recommend Logitech G100S as mentioned before. One of the best gaming mouses coming from the same line as MX 300 -> G3 -> G100S (one of the best gaming series ever). It's also really cheap when you think about quality. I been using this mouse for BW for awhile now. I agree its really good for the price ($30 US) | ||
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DiMiaN
Finland299 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
I managed to get 1:1 with in-game speed 9 and 1800dpi. I use mca64launcher to adjust in-game sens. 1:1 1800dpi on brood war (640x480) means taking 0.267 inches to cross the entire height of the screen, that's a very high sens (equivalent to over 4k dpi on 1080p) | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
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Deleted User 135096
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On April 13 2015 16:46 DiMiaN wrote: Read here for more information about mouse sensitivity and DPI. I managed to get 1:1 with in-game speed 9 and 1800dpi. I use mca64launcher to adjust in-game sens. or, just go read the article I wrote, as it's far more accurate and less biased. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On April 13 2015 20:47 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: is the g9x a good mouse ? yes in some ways, but sensor tracks inconsistently in an unpredictable and unfixable way that effectively varies your sensitivity by ~5-7% or so. With a good sensor it'd probably be a sweet mouse, a lot of people seem to love the shell | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Talking BW B (B+ in 2v2, but that's a couple of years back now) and SC2 Masters. So not Pro, but definitely not shite either. Not only is it a great, small mouse. It's dead cheap. great for Starcraft and so incredibly durable. I've got mine for about 5 years or so now. Been traveling to and from the UK/Germany (I'm an Interpreter, so basically 2-3 trips a month) for a while now, which means lots of knocking the thing around, and I'm always taking my laptop + mouse for a few games in the evenings. I might be very biased, but for my needs nothing beats my lovely Abyssus. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:10 Cyro wrote: yes in some ways, but sensor tracks inconsistently in an unpredictable and unfixable way that effectively varies your sensitivity by ~5-7% or so. With a good sensor it'd probably be a sweet mouse, a lot of people seem to love the shell i have the g400 and im thinking to change for a more small mouse,but i liked the g9x but looks like is out of edition ? t-t,also thanks for this tip,what do u think of mad catz rat te ? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
Take a look at the logitech g302/g303 (or even the cm storm xornet, though that's a lower end mouse the sensor works well unless you expose it to certain types of strain such as low sensitivity FPS swipes and the shell is good) | ||
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DiMiaN
Finland299 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:02 wo1fwood wrote: or, just go read the article I wrote, as it's far more accurate and less biased. Sorry didnt know you had an article. Here's the ultimate mouse guide by wo1fwood: Click! | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:18 sCuMBaG wrote: Razer Abyssus all the way. Talking BW B (B+ in 2v2, but that's a couple of years back now) and SC2 Masters. So not Pro, but definitely not shite either. Not only is it a great, small mouse. It's dead cheap. great for Starcraft and so incredibly durable. I've got mine for about 5 years or so now. Been traveling to and from the UK/Germany (I'm an Interpreter, so basically 2-3 trips a month) for a while now, which means lots of knocking the thing around, and I'm always taking my laptop + mouse for a few games in the evenings. I might be very biased, but for my needs nothing beats my lovely Abyssus. razer always seem to be hit and miss which varies from person to person. I had a razer abyssus which became spoilt after a year, then replace it with a deathadder 3.5 black that have lasted for like 3 years already and very happy with. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
They also have pretty big failure rates for mouse clicks etc - and some of the worst drivers, where turning them on will negatively affect the tracking of your mouse in a significant way. Worse, some of their newer mice do not have onboard memory so using the driver is REQUIRED to use anything aside from default settings | ||
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NubbleST
United States86 Posts
EDIT: holy crap this image doesn't fit or something. Here's a link http://i.imgur.com/LFrp5aH.jpg | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
too bad they discontinued it for their shitty newer models/firmware. | ||
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outscar
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I browsed gear of SC2 (ex BW too) players and most of them use Razer Abyssus. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Pro_gear | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On April 14 2015 12:44 outscar wrote: I browsed gear of SC2 (ex BW too) players and most of them use Razer Abyssus. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Pro_gear eh they are sponsored by those brands so they are forced to use them. so they pick the best option which is usually abyssus/deathadder if razer sponsors them. | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10085 Posts
honestly there really is no difference between a regular mouse and a gaming mouse aside from customizable dpi and macros and shit. | ||
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NubbleST
United States86 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
The Deathadder 2013 is good but not amazing. No onboard memory so has to use the awful driver 24/7. Some quoted lag/smoothness with the sensor compared to other mice. Questionable build quality and longevity honestly there really is no difference between a regular mouse and a gaming mouse aside from customizable dpi and macros and shit. for someone who doesn't particularly care about having awesome-tier mouse accuracy and who never loads an FPS game, that can be true - although stuff like the glide and usability of mouse shape is a big thing too. If you use any random mouse on whatever desk with no mouse feet or mousepad, then of course you don't care | ||
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cava
United States1035 Posts
On April 12 2015 18:38 TaShadan wrote: best mouse ever! :D No seriously. You might have to try several ones and figure out which one is the best for you. I always prefered small and light mouses. I can not play with heavy/big ones because my hands are so small. You also have to play around with mouse speed, DPI and acceleration (i personally played without acceleration). Ahhh the MX300. This is definitely the best mouse ever made, but unfortunately has been out of production for like 10 years. I use the G100s which is as close to that as they make anymore. | ||
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lol_dominion
7 Posts
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1140101&p_id=10231&seq=1&format=2 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On April 14 2015 12:30 Probemicro wrote: yeah deathadder is a pretty good mouse, what cyro says is generally true most of their other models but deathadder begs to differ. too bad they discontinued it for their shitty newer models/firmware. They also have pretty big failure rates for mouse clicks etc - and some of the worst drivers, where turning them on will negatively affect the tracking of your mouse in a significant way. Worse, some of their newer mice do not have onboard memory so using the driver is REQUIRED to use anything aside from default settings This stuff applies to their newest mice too Cyro what do you think about the SteelSeries mice? Pretty much all of the mice brands with more than a few products have some shit and some usable-good stuff. The Rival is good if you want a big mouse | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10085 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
A lot of cheap mice have 1000 DPI with no switching option nowadays. I bought Logitech M100 and RX250 which look the most similar out there for legendary LMO (Logitech Mini Optical) which korean pro's of BW used to which had 400 DPI. Now both of my mice got 1000 DPI with no changable software. So is there a way to get 400 DPI maybe using Windows sensitivity? I heard from Scan that 4/11 is best but does it means I will get 400 DPI feeling with it? Why no 5/11 or 3/11? What is most/exact close? (also don't forget that BW is 640x480) | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1457 Posts
On October 31 2015 07:43 outscar wrote: Bumping for a serious reason because I see there were some experts here in this topic (especially Cyro) who can help me with my question. A lot of cheap mice have 1000 DPI with no switching option nowadays. I bought Logitech M100 and RX250 which look the most similar out there for legendary LMO (Logitech Mini Optical) which korean pro's of BW used to which had 400 DPI. Now both of my mice got 1000 DPI with no changable software. So is there a way to get 400 DPI maybe using Windows sensitivity? I heard from Scan that 4/11 is best but does it mean I will get 400 DPI feeling with it? Why no 5/11 or 3/11? What is most/exact close? (also don't forget that BW is 640x480) I won't be able to answer your question but to be honest with you, since I switch from ps2 mouse to usb mouse i never felt a difference again... I think the mousepad you chose would make a much more difference than the DPI, if you have a rx250 which is mine, I personally use a surface 1030. | ||
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Sero
United States692 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x0eht9d.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gTO7i31.jpg) Mouse: Commatech M1 Note: With Logtiech Mini Optical Mouse(400dpi), I put the mouse speed on the default(6/11). | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
@iFU.pauline Well, I'm not really familiar with all types of surfaces and not sure if it's impact for mouse is really huge to consider but as far as I know from what I got that Razer Control edition's are for RTS and Speed edition's are for FPS. F.e. KesPA mousepads surface is made alike Control edition's, so best choice for BW is non sliding surface. I think I saw Func Surface 1030 most times in my life but can't get one here sadly. @Sero I really feel difference between 400 DPI and 1000 DPI - last one is really fast for me and I can't properly micro. Yes, I'm sure that I can get used but everyone got his own style and thus different hand movements. Most say that DPI has nothing to do with sensitivity and speed but in real it really matters and affects speed of cursor. Scan's mouse settings seems by far perfect and most suiting. After making couple tests I switched 4/11 and now can split my scv's like god. Also I was really paranoiac about "Enhance pointer precision" after reading posts that some mice/programs can turn it on automatically to enable mouse acceleration even if you ticked it off so I edited registry to disable this fuckery. I can't really remember exact registry changes but here you can find so many options: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html @LaStScan Scan, if you got LMO do you feel the same 400 DPI (default 6/11) to comparison from your 1000 DPI Commatech mouse when you switch it to 4/11 sensitivity? If so every mouse with 1000 DPI should feel like 400 DPI with those settings. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
lowering sens below 6/11 makes windows only move 1 pixel after a certain number of sensor counts. For 4/11, your sens is effectively halved and it's not too bad, but is maybe noticable in minor ways compared to just running at half DPI. 5/11 is 0.75x sens and it moves for 3 pixels every 4 counts so it is very jittery/inconsistent. As you move the mouse sideways, it moves 1 pixel then another pixel then another pixel and then it doesn't move at all on the next sensor count before moving a fourth pixel on the 5'th count, so there is a disruption in the smoothness of the cursor which has some bad effects. all of my recent mice could set low sens effectively, my xornet did 500dpi; g402/g303 will go down lower (3366 sensor in g303 will do 200 to any value you want in steps of 50, for example) | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
I read a guide where 1-2-3-4-6/11 regimes are alright when 5 is like you said inconsistent and 7/8/9/10/11 will skip pixels. Thanks for explanation. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
Getting 400 DPI is impossible if your mouse isn't 800 DPI MANY mice with good sensors support 400dpi well these days. It's just not a common DPI because mainstream screens have doubled in pixel height and tripled in width | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
my suggestion would be to prioritize picking a comfortable/light mouse. i have about 10-15 mice and im currently using a SS Kinzu @ 800 DPI, it fits my hand perfectly and i like the overall feel of it. everyone is gonna have different preferences tho. P.S: is there an updated version of this list? http://cdn.overclock.net/1/1f/1fea65b7_Mouse-Sizing-Chart.jpeg ![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/1/1f/1fea65b7_Mouse-Sizing-Chart.jpeg) | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On October 31 2015 13:27 outscar wrote: Thanks all for feedback. @iFU.pauline Well, I'm not really familiar with all types of surfaces and not sure if it's impact for mouse is really huge to consider but as far as I know from what I got that Razer Control edition's are for RTS and Speed edition's are for FPS. F.e. KesPA mousepads surface is made alike Control edition's, so best choice for BW is non sliding surface. I think I saw Func Surface 1030 most times in my life but can't get one here sadly. @Sero I really feel difference between 400 DPI and 1000 DPI - last one is really fast for me and I can't properly micro. Yes, I'm sure that I can get used but everyone got his own style and thus different hand movements. Most say that DPI has nothing to do with sensitivity and speed but in real it really matters and affects speed of cursor. Scan's mouse settings seems by far perfect and most suiting. After making couple tests I switched 4/11 and now can split my scv's like god. Also I was really paranoiac about "Enhance pointer precision" after reading posts that some mice/programs can turn it on automatically to enable mouse acceleration even if you ticked it off so I edited registry to disable this fuckery. I can't really remember exact registry changes but here you can find so many options: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html @LaStScan Scan, if you got LMO do you feel the same 400 DPI (default 6/11) to comparison from your 1000 DPI Commatech mouse when you switch it to 4/11 sensitivity? If so every mouse with 1000 DPI should feel like 400 DPI with those settings. No, I felt it feels little awkward. Does anyone know where I can test my mouse's DPI? I mentioned as 400 DPI because some people were saying 400 and 800. I also have tried using Zowie Mico mouse, and I found out that 400 DPI(6/11 setting) did not feel the same as Logitech Mini Optical(6/11). Logitech Mini Optical mouse might be 500 DPI. Who knows? I still have a box of Logitech Mini Optical mouse(Football Edition), but it does not tell me anything about DPI. Logitech Mini Optical 400 DPI (6/11) setting did not feel the same as Commatech M1 1000 DPI (4/11). Also, Zowie Mico 800 DPI (4/11) setting did not feel the same as Commatech M1 1000 DPI (4/11). And Logitech Mini Optical 400 DPI (6/11) setting did not feel the same as Zowie Mico 400 DPI (6/11). | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
That's why I generally use Razer mice. I just clean it out with some cloth once every two months when it starts being ineffective. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
Does anyone know where I can test my mouse's DPI? The easiest and most effective way is to measure it physially. Move 4 inches and see if the line is 1600 pixels do it 5 times some mice say one DPI but actually do another. Like there are some "1800dpi" mice out there that are closer to 1600 | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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bypLy
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
On November 02 2015 14:53 bypLy wrote: the question is pretty vague, which league exactly do you want to play on ICCUP? For D+ you need at least to spend 50$. However if you want to play in the higher leagues (above C+) you should defintly consider spendings at least 100$. lol what ? It's not how it works. | ||
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On November 02 2015 18:18 TT1 wrote: i wonder how good Bisu would be if he played with a 100$ mouse as opposed to his 10$ one.. $ is not the important thing. Whichever feels comfortable, the player should stick to that mouse. | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On April 07 2015 09:18 GGzerG wrote: Razer Abyssus, it is the best mouse ever made for RTS and is perfect for BW, maybe even better for BW than SC2. I concur! | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
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bypLy
757 Posts
sure it is, if you want to play B/B+, you defintly need the latest razor gear worth at least 300$. A friend of mine has all equipment there is and he made it to B+. When he bought tapes for his wrists and a 1:1 replication of a professional booth along with the latest TL chair, he finally got to A-. Its pretty unfair especially if you are poor and cant afford all that stuff. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
On November 03 2015 17:14 bypLy wrote: sure it is, if you want to play B/B+, you defintly need the latest razor gear worth at least 300$. A friend of mine has all equipment there is and he made it to B+. When he bought tapes for his wrists and a 1:1 replication of a professional booth along with the latest TL chair, he finally got to A-. Its pretty unfair especially if you are poor and cant afford all that stuff. Loooooooooooooool | ||
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ArtOfBlack
Poland93 Posts
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iloveav
Poland1478 Posts
For example, I like finger grip so for me a small and light-weight Mice is important. However, for FPS I like slightly low movement speed so I need to either change the mice or change the DPI. How ever I have a huge PRO tip for all of those who dont know about it: The surface is more important than the mice. This is due to how mices work. They pick up every inconsistency in the surface, no matter how small. Many try to buy fancy mice pads but in my personal experience, a very clean polished table works wonders in mice accuracy. However, some people like me have sweat problems while playing for long time so for that a big pad from a cloth type texture can work decently well. Another thing that is important is to have the perfect accuracy/speed ratio. This is something quite easy to understand and change but hard to get used to. First and foremost: Make sure you mice is set to the SAME speed in Broodwar and your desktop. If you have a different speed, every time you go out of broodwar your mind and muscle memory will begin to change the broodwar mindset to another one (other games, desktop, etc). Second: Your mice speed should be fast enough to got from one corner of the screen to another corner of the screen in a single move, at around 80% of your total capacity of movement (this means that if you need to lift the mice, or move your elbow to get from corner to corner, the speed is too low), yet slow enough to get from one zergling to another adjacent zergling without feeling forced (you msut be able to move naturally, not focusing especially hard to to move the mice "slowly"). There should be plenty of room for both. Then of course you need to get used to it, takes around 3 weeks of daily use. | ||
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ProTech
United States433 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On the fly DPS adjustments are nice because when you go into BW your mouse sensitivity will jump up like crazy because of the resolution. So I drop mine from like 800 to 250 or so for BW. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
find one you like anyone who tells you youre going to gain ranks by buying a mouse/keyboard the pros use is a fucking moron | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On November 04 2015 16:27 Glioburd wrote: MS Wheel Mouse Optical ftw ! Think mine was an Intellimouse 3000 or something it was a big ass mouse and had a magnifying glass app was pretty cool | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
On November 03 2015 11:00 LaStScan wrote: $ is not the important thing. Whichever feels comfortable, the player should stick to that mouse. i was being sarcastic :D | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
Both logitech are excellent mice, but my G400 is the better one - one of the best mouse I ever used. Razer have bad build quality (broken down after around 12 months of use) and steelseries was crap for the price. TL;DR Go for the mouse you most comfortable with. My friend use those logitech trackpad mouse and still kicking my ass at CSGO. | ||
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
Assuming 4:3 640x480 fullscreen: You want a mouse with 800 dpi. Why is that so? Ideally you want the windows mouse sensivity sitting at at 6/11 (with no acceleration) because then you have (almost) no interpolation which deteriorates accuracy. Which means you'll manage sensivity with the DPI itself. You want DPI that matches the (used) screen diagonal in pixels (640² + 480² = x² --> x = 800) so you can easily move across it. There are many mice with 800 DPI or a 800 DPI mode so you can find everything from cheap and bad, low-priced but surprisingly good all the way up to very expensive mice. Avoid laser mice because they are unreliable. Look for optical (infrared) sensors. You could also get a mouse with freely adjustable DPI and set it to 800 but I would advice against that. First: You probably need a custom driver/software for that which is always the worse option to using just the default windows interface because it adds another layer of complexity and probably delay. Second: Sensors with freely adjustable DPI have to interpolate themselves to get to that value so you swap one interpolation with another. Third: Those tend to be expensive. More DPI than 800 are wasted in Broodwar and probably makes the mouse more finicky and thus less accurate for most people. My recommendation: A Zowie EC1, EC2, FK1 or FK2 (the one with the ergonomics that suit you most) with the sensor set to 800 DPI mode. Those are excellent mice with extreme durability. They're optimised to be used with the default windows driver and all settings can be adjusted on the mouse with no additional software needed. They also have 1000hz USB polling rate by default which is always nice (can be lowered if needed). A complete alternative option: Go oldschool and get a mechanical mouse (those with a ball) and a good mousepad for that type of mouse (I can recommend slightly hardened rubber). It really fits for Broodwar, because these are the mice which have been played with back in the day. Be prepared to clean the insides after every match (yes, you'll get paranoid) but that's like getting new strings on your guitar for every concert. You'll even like it after some time as a way to relax and focus on the new match. Some dealers still sell factory new Boomslangs from time to time which have been hoarded in storage quite a lot but they heavily vary in price (and don't be surprised if they're are NOT from razer ^_^). I would get one if I find it for less than 40 bucks. I play Broodwar with a Boomslang on my second PC and it feels awesome :D | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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