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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
May 03 2017 09:24 GMT
#1761
Huh, he actually garners quite a sizeable audience. I dont think ive ever seen any other CEOs interacting with the community in such a way.
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 10:06:56
May 03 2017 10:05 GMT
#1762
News about ASL3.

Afreeca decide to adopt 1.18 from now.

So Group C and D will play 1.18 version.

Mong gives us this info.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
May 03 2017 11:54 GMT
#1763
let the whining, bitching and moaning commence.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
May 03 2017 12:05 GMT
#1764
wonder how much blizzard paid for use 1.18 especially for Fish use 1.18 only.
AdelSC123
Profile Joined March 2010
France362 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 12:41:28
May 03 2017 12:40 GMT
#1765
Not a surprise since fish switched to 1.18. My guess is that Fish was allowed to switch back to 1.16 until a later date due to the Korean outcry and that ASL has to follow if they don't want to disconnect even more ASL competitors and semi-competitive players on the ladder. Like I said in an older post in about hotkeys:

"[...] since kespa was forced out, tournament organizers have been weak. They decided to switch to the unproven (proven to have quite a few issues if we want to be accurate) 1.18 version even in the middle of the ASL. The sporting regulation in place is pretty much from the kespa era, I don't think SSL or ASL even have the means to even think about it. On top of that, blizzard will now be able to set the rules of the semi-competitive players with the ladder, which will force ASL/SSL to follow the rules set by a company who's primary aim is to sell games and not make sure that the sport is profitable on the long term."
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1685 Posts
May 03 2017 12:47 GMT
#1766
On May 03 2017 21:40 AdelSC123 wrote:
Not a surprise since fish switched to 1.18. My guess is that Fish was allowed to switch back to 1.16 until a later date due to the Korean outcry and that ASL has to follow if they don't want to disconnect even more ASL competitors and semi-competitive players on the ladder. Like I said in an older post in about hotkeys:

"[...] since kespa was forced out, tournament organizers have been weak. They decided to switch to the unproven (proven to have quite a few issues if we want to be accurate) 1.18 version even in the middle of the ASL. The sporting regulation in place is pretty much from the kespa era, I don't think SSL or ASL even have the means to even think about it. On top of that, blizzard will now be able to set the rules of the semi-competitive players with the ladder, which will force ASL/SSL to follow the rules set by a company who's primary aim is to sell games and not make sure that the sport is profitable on the long term."

Totally agree with your bolded section in particular. This is one of the reasons why I really dislike 1.18 and BW remastered, full stop. It's a negative direction which will likely be almost impossible to row back from, once introduced.

I hope Shieldbattery can gain significant Korean uptake (and doesn't then get sued by blizzard).
EleGant[AoV]
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 15:55:55
May 03 2017 15:14 GMT
#1767
I dont know exact thing, but one thing is clear.

Afreeca and Spotv cant hold tournament without Blizzard.

They dont have power to reject Blizzard.
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
May 03 2017 15:19 GMT
#1768
they cant hold the tournament because they need money from blizzard? or they cant hold the tournament without following blizzards "guideline" on how to make that tournament (e.g. if blizzard says use 1.18, then you are forced to use 1.18)
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 15:56:28
May 03 2017 15:28 GMT
#1769
On May 04 2017 00:19 Bakuryu wrote:
they cant hold the tournament because they need money from blizzard? or they cant hold the tournament without following blizzards "guideline" on how to make that tournament (e.g. if blizzard says use 1.18, then you are forced to use 1.18)


Not money problem, AfreecaTV CEO love BW so much. Do you remember WemadeFox? He was owner of Fox team and promised to invest ASL more.
It is license problem. Yes, what i want to tell you is "Guideline", as you say.
Some ex pros tell continuously to AfreecaTV now. But Afreeca dont have right to decide version. And now afreeca says they will communicate with Blizzard. AfreecaTV also want to use 1.16 version until ASL3 Final.

Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
May 03 2017 15:37 GMT
#1770
K.H.J. you always have so many interesting informations :D
so those "Some ex pros" are against 1.18? which ex pros are those?
Its nice that AfreecaTV also wants to keep 1.16.
Switching patches mid-season is like the biggest mistake ever.
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
May 03 2017 15:49 GMT
#1771
On May 04 2017 00:37 Bakuryu wrote:
K.H.J. you always have so many interesting informations :D
so those "Some ex pros" are against 1.18? which ex pros are those?
Its nice that AfreecaTV also wants to keep 1.16.
Switching patches mid-season is like the biggest mistake ever.


I agree with you. One season, one version is rule, i think.

Stork and Mind criticized 1.18.3 on their stream today.

Stork's today stream title is ' 1.18.3 is failed.'


BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 03 2017 15:51 GMT
#1772
On May 03 2017 19:05 K.H.J wrote:
News about ASL3.

Afreeca decide to adopt 1.18 from now.

So Group C and D will play 1.18 version.

Mong gives us this info.

This makes me mad. Why are they switching mid ASL? They are affecting the competition because 1.18 still has issues in it and this was shown when they tried it already. Never mind that it's stupid to change mid competition. This is more appropriate next ASL for more time to test things out, not now!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
AdelSC123
Profile Joined March 2010
France362 Posts
May 03 2017 15:51 GMT
#1773
Damn, it seems like it's even worse than what I was expecting... The license is directly restricting their options, time to get to work on openbw.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6546 Posts
May 03 2017 15:54 GMT
#1774
On May 04 2017 00:51 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2017 19:05 K.H.J wrote:
News about ASL3.

Afreeca decide to adopt 1.18 from now.

So Group C and D will play 1.18 version.

Mong gives us this info.

This makes me mad. Why are they switching mid ASL? They are affecting the competition because 1.18 still has issues in it and this was shown when they tried it already. Never mind that it's stupid to change mid competition. This is more appropriate next ASL for more time to test things out, not now!

Agree
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
May 03 2017 16:00 GMT
#1775
On May 04 2017 00:28 K.H.J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2017 00:19 Bakuryu wrote:
they cant hold the tournament because they need money from blizzard? or they cant hold the tournament without following blizzards "guideline" on how to make that tournament (e.g. if blizzard says use 1.18, then you are forced to use 1.18)


Not money problem, AfreecaTV CEO love BW so much. Do you remember WemadeFox? He was owner of Fox team and promised to invest ASL more.
It is license problem. Yes, what i want to tell you is "Guideline", as you say.
Some ex pros tell continuously to AfreecaTV now. But Afreeca dont have right to decide version. And now afreeca says they will communicate with Blizzard. AfreecaTV also want to use 1.16 version until ASL3 Final.


This does mean tho that if Blizz is like: Yeah use 1.16 until 1.18 works really well that they don't need to change right? This doesn't sound as if they are forced to change but are just uncertain what they think Blizz wants them to use.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
May 03 2017 16:00 GMT
#1776
On May 04 2017 00:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2017 00:51 BigFan wrote:
On May 03 2017 19:05 K.H.J wrote:
News about ASL3.

Afreeca decide to adopt 1.18 from now.

So Group C and D will play 1.18 version.

Mong gives us this info.

This makes me mad. Why are they switching mid ASL? They are affecting the competition because 1.18 still has issues in it and this was shown when they tried it already. Never mind that it's stupid to change mid competition. This is more appropriate next ASL for more time to test things out, not now!

Agree


you said 1.18.3 is verry good patch
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
May 03 2017 16:06 GMT
#1777
I don't have a problem with the 1.18 patch but switching patch mid tournament is really a wrong decision. I can only guess that Blizzard has a patch in the pipe that they think fixes remaining issues but even in that case it is disrespectful to the players.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6546 Posts
May 03 2017 16:07 GMT
#1778
On May 04 2017 01:00 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2017 00:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On May 04 2017 00:51 BigFan wrote:
On May 03 2017 19:05 K.H.J wrote:
News about ASL3.

Afreeca decide to adopt 1.18 from now.

So Group C and D will play 1.18 version.

Mong gives us this info.

This makes me mad. Why are they switching mid ASL? They are affecting the competition because 1.18 still has issues in it and this was shown when they tried it already. Never mind that it's stupid to change mid competition. This is more appropriate next ASL for more time to test things out, not now!

Agree


you said 1.18.3 is verry good patch

I like the patch,i dont like they changed it mid season,u just dont do it in any sport.
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States505 Posts
May 03 2017 16:17 GMT
#1779
I don't get why changing the patch is a problem.... What is different? The game itself is the same.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51427 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 20:05:13
May 03 2017 20:01 GMT
#1780
On May 04 2017 01:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2017 01:00 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
On May 04 2017 00:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On May 04 2017 00:51 BigFan wrote:
On May 03 2017 19:05 K.H.J wrote:
News about ASL3.

Afreeca decide to adopt 1.18 from now.

So Group C and D will play 1.18 version.

Mong gives us this info.

This makes me mad. Why are they switching mid ASL? They are affecting the competition because 1.18 still has issues in it and this was shown when they tried it already. Never mind that it's stupid to change mid competition. This is more appropriate next ASL for more time to test things out, not now!

Agree


you said 1.18.3 is verry good patch

I like the patch,i dont like they changed it mid season,u just dont do it in any sport.


Every esport in the world when a new patch is released always switches to the latest version. Unless the latest version has ground breaking bugs that limit the games ability to play matches at a competitive level, then I see no reason to hold onto the old patch.

From what I've seen so far, there's nothing in 1.18.3 that suggests that they can't hold pro matches on it. Every pro complaint has been just them complaining about things being different. In addition it seems its only a slight minority that are against the new patch.
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