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United States11393 Posts
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.
Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.
Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately.
Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.
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Nice read, good job epoxide and fuse.
BW forever!
Jangbi ftw!
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On January 05 2014 09:39 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.
Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though. Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately. Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.
Hero mediocre ZvZ? He only ever loses consistently to Killer. For almost the ENTIRE of 2013 he only lost to Killer and one game to beast, he won every other ZvZ. And he won a fair few vs Killer too. In fact, hero has the best ZvZ winrate of any player against Killer, with only Cola and Beast even taking games off Killer. And while his ZvT appears lacking, if you actually look at his wins/losses he wins quite a lot vs top terrans, he just doesn't have as dominant a ZvT as Killer. He's still easily second best Zerg in SOSPA and third best player, no question.
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Mhmm the reason MBC was my favourite team is number one, aww yeeah 
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Pusaaan! Almost in the CBNC and Honourables. Isn't he the oldest one playing? And he still wins occasionally.
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On January 05 2014 10:07 Amanebak wrote:
Pusaaan! Almost in the CBNC and Honourables. Isn't he the oldest one playing? And he still wins occasionally.
He was in last time!
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
I dont see Shinee anywhere. This list is fake.
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On January 05 2014 10:08 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 10:07 Amanebak wrote:
Pusaaan! Almost in the CBNC and Honourables. Isn't he the oldest one playing? And he still wins occasionally. He was in last time!
True, I remember now. I like to seeing Mong there. Reminded me to watch said Mong 4-kill of Khan.
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On January 05 2014 10:26 amazingxkcd wrote:
I dont see Shinee anywhere. This list is fake.
he lost on fs, fake
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Sea and Bisu will rock in 2014!
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Bisu #3? you must be joking! *wave fanboy flag'
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On January 05 2014 09:12 StarStruck wrote:Sorry Flash, There is a new God in town. ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/WebbyMom/Smileys/Happy-Laughing/Laie_67.gif)
flash said he wanted to be a champion of sc2 .. turns out its not working well
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United States11393 Posts
On January 05 2014 09:58 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 09:39 Harem wrote:On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.
Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though. Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately. Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain. Hero mediocre ZvZ? He only ever loses consistently to Killer. For almost the ENTIRE of 2013 he only lost to Killer and one game to beast, he won every other ZvZ. And he won a fair few vs Killer too. In fact, hero has the best ZvZ winrate of any player against Killer, with only Cola and Beast even taking games off Killer. And while his ZvT appears lacking, if you actually look at his wins/losses he wins quite a lot vs top terrans, he just doesn't have as dominant a ZvT as Killer. He's still easily second best Zerg in SOSPA and third best player, no question.
If you are going to quote stats then at least get them right, (This is all from this year which you specified)
He lost a bo3 2-0 to Larva in SRT 11. He lost a bo5 3-2 to Beast in very same SRT11. In SRT12, he yet again lost to Beast 3-2. He also dropped a game to Zelot in the SSL Seeding Match and then dropped another game to Zelot when he lost 3-1. He also dropped another game to Beast in recent PL game. That isn't dropping "1 game" to zergs not Killer. It was also a bit misleading to try and frame it like you did when he didnt have broadcasted zvz games for so many months. Plus, he even loses bo3 zvz to Sziky who is good but not #4 in SOSPA good.
I wasnt even just referring to his sospa games (or meant statistics) when I made original post either. I was talking about his gameplay itself as I watch his stream a lot. Majority of the time it's standard, uninspired zvz or zvt while getting rolled. Besides his burrow openings that he rarely does zvt, it's super easy to anticipate what he will do and counter accordingly hence why you see Ssak do so well vs Hero but so badly vs Killer.
Zergs in general will keep falling further and further down the rankings especially if Killer keeps up his current super lax practice routine and Zero's mentality continues to be at a level that makes Idra's look like Jaedong. Hero isnt the hero that the zerg race needs. :<
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Bisu's gonna steal the #1 spot!
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Yay, Bisu! Can't wait for SSL :D
On January 05 2014 10:49 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 09:12 StarStruck wrote:Sorry Flash, There is a new God in town. flash said he wanted to be a champion of sc2 .. turns out its not working well
He went 2-4 against life himself in that mlg finals so it is within reach, I would say
(if only KT would send players to more lans..)
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EPT
