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BW Power Rank - End of the Year 2013 - Page 3

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Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
January 05 2014 02:16 GMT
#41
Bisu should be number 1! Bisu! Bisu!
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
stefantheterran
Profile Joined December 2013
Austria61 Posts
January 05 2014 02:37 GMT
#42
Ahh, good old BW power ranks, how I've missed them! Thanks for the great writeup, so hyped for SSL!
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
January 05 2014 02:57 GMT
#43
Lazy and SSak should be switched. Lazy is the underdog of all proleague! He gonna make it far in SSL9
Flash should fear Sacsri
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
January 05 2014 03:07 GMT
#44
This might not be the right place to ask this question, but I'll do it anyways.

Is there a place were I can watch vods of the brood war scene with english commentary of these top tier player games ? I would like to follow this scene a bit, since the game is just to good
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 05 2014 03:16 GMT
#45
On January 05 2014 08:28 Selenus wrote:
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Note: Bisu has zero medals.


This is my all-time favorite power rank.


LOL qft
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
January 05 2014 03:59 GMT
#46
Sea is a monster for these tournaments, but he seems to be in a bit of a slump for results in sospa league.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
January 05 2014 04:05 GMT
#47
Starcue #1
LightAngels
Profile Joined April 2010
United States299 Posts
January 05 2014 04:37 GMT
#48
Bisu Bisu Bisu Bisu !!!!

( not #1 ? ) god dang it
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 05 2014 04:44 GMT
#49
On January 05 2014 10:33 Epoxide wrote:
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On January 05 2014 10:26 amazingxkcd wrote:
I dont see Shinee anywhere. This list is fake.

he lost on fs, fake


Was it ladder game? If not, game doesn't count
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
January 05 2014 04:57 GMT
#50
On January 05 2014 10:56 Harem wrote:
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On January 05 2014 09:58 Birdie wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:39 Harem wrote:
On January 05 2014 09:10 Birdie wrote:
Pff hero #4 behind bisu? Ridiculous, bisu played all of 13 games and only 3 PvZs, lost to hero, only won vs noob zergs. No titles, nothing to show. Hero with 100% winrate vs protoss except last couple games for 4 months, only dropping ZvZ vs Killer and once vs beast (and Killer is definitely better ZvZ), and a pretty decent winrate vs terran, hero definitely deserves to play higher than bisu. Bisu fanboyism placing him so high when he has yet to prove himself in SOSPA, definitely premature.

Much as I may hate it, Killer losing always vs Sea is a valid reason to place Sea higher, but if Killer starts winning when they meet then I think he'd take #1 spot for sure, they're both outstanding players though.

Hero's zvt and zvz are as mediocre as they get. (and Killer and Zero have better zvp when Zero isnt being a depressing emo) You should be instead be glad that Hero is placed as high as he is cause it probably won't last especially with the amount of terrans lately.

Hero almost super threw the game vs Bisu on Jade too by letting Bisu break out of contain much easier than should have happened. He kept majority of lurkers clumped in a location where goon/ht will easily whittle them away. He also only sent a single scourge to kill obs when he had plenty more just outside the contain.

Hero mediocre ZvZ? He only ever loses consistently to Killer. For almost the ENTIRE of 2013 he only lost to Killer and one game to beast, he won every other ZvZ. And he won a fair few vs Killer too. In fact, hero has the best ZvZ winrate of any player against Killer, with only Cola and Beast even taking games off Killer. And while his ZvT appears lacking, if you actually look at his wins/losses he wins quite a lot vs top terrans, he just doesn't have as dominant a ZvT as Killer. He's still easily second best Zerg in SOSPA and third best player, no question.

If you are going to quote stats then at least get them right, (This is all from this year which you specified)

He lost a bo3 2-0 to Larva in SRT 11. He lost a bo5 3-2 to Beast in very same SRT11. In SRT12, he yet again lost to Beast 3-2. He also dropped a game to Zelot in the SSL Seeding Match and then dropped another game to Zelot when he lost 3-1. He also dropped another game to Beast in recent PL game. That isn't dropping "1 game" to zergs not Killer. It was also a bit misleading to try and frame it like you did when he didnt have broadcasted zvz games for so many months. Plus, he even loses bo3 zvz to Sziky who is good but not #4 in SOSPA good.

I wasnt even just referring to his sospa games (or meant statistics) when I made original post either. I was talking about his gameplay itself as I watch his stream a lot. Majority of the time it's standard, uninspired zvz or zvt while getting rolled. Besides his burrow openings that he rarely does zvt, it's super easy to anticipate what he will do and counter accordingly hence why you see Ssak do so well vs Hero but so badly vs Killer.

Zergs in general will keep falling further and further down the rankings especially if Killer keeps up his current super lax practice routine and Zero's mentality continues to be at a level that makes Idra's look like Jaedong. Hero isnt the hero that the zerg race needs. :<

I said "almost" the entire of 2013, the games he lost were at the very start. No other Zerg has anywhere near the ZvZ results of hero, except for Killer. And ladder games don't count for much at all.

As for his ZvT, sure it's bad but he still gets decent results, not many other Zerg have results as good or better vs T.

I'd agree that his ZvP is much better than his ZvT and ZvZ, from watching his stream it seems like the reason for that is cos he plays a whole lot more ZvP than other matchups though. If he actually sat down and focused hard on learning his weaker matchups I could see him becoming very strong. But given his results I don't think anyone else deserves #3 spot like he does. sSak and Bisu have the potential to get it soon if they keep doing as well as they are but they're not there yet.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
NeuroticPsychosis
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 05:24:00
January 05 2014 05:23 GMT
#51
This makes me so nostalgic for 2007-2011. So many memories. Still the best game ever. BW will never die
intricate, elaborate, articulate, crystallize, conceptualize, synthesize
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
January 05 2014 05:42 GMT
#52
I've fully transitioned to sc2 and haven't been following the BW scene anymore (followed it for 10 years before that). I was wondering how well is the BW scene doing these days, who are the major sponsors, and is it financially stable to still attract new players to sustain it for the coming years? Or will it cease to exist when these veterans decide to stop? Just curious, thanks.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
jtp118
Profile Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
January 05 2014 05:56 GMT
#53
maybe you shouldn't be comparing Sea vs Killer to the great BW rivalries ...?
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11417 Posts
January 05 2014 06:25 GMT
#54
Next time Bisu will be #1, no controversy
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
January 05 2014 06:58 GMT
#55
On January 05 2014 15:25 Falling wrote:
Next time Bisu will be #1, no controversy

Piano still #1 in my heart.
En Taro Violet
mjuuy
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway506 Posts
January 05 2014 06:59 GMT
#56
Yum Bo Sung best!!
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬. 우정호 1988 - 2012
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
January 05 2014 07:03 GMT
#57
Bisu shouldn't be 3rd... Not enough games played. I mean Bisu totally has a shot at 1. and even SSL 9, but he still hasn't proven himself definitively.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
January 05 2014 08:20 GMT
#58
There should be Stork and Leta in this list...
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
January 05 2014 08:20 GMT
#59
Jangbi would own if he only played.
I think Bisu is better than Sea.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 05 2014 08:30 GMT
#60
Sea
Jaedong :3
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