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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-30 13:38:36
January 30 2017 13:02 GMT
#3421
On January 30 2017 20:57 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2017 20:52 hitthat wrote:
On January 30 2017 17:04 shall_burn wrote:
why is zvz the worst mu?


Thats huge dynamic a paradoxicaly the biggest issue for me. Games tend to be fast, short and full of spamming lings and mutas (with occasional use of scourges). BO wins are common, strategy is downplayed by micro wars and endless spamming, luck seems to be a bigger factor than in TvT or PvP. Watching it was rarely exciting even when top Zergs were involved, and I remmember hating this MU when playing BW myself. This MU is for me an argument that its not a Terran a problem of BW, its the Zerg who is badly designed.
The truely exciting stage of play - hive-tech ZvZ, is incredibly rare.

that is all in your opinion but it doesnt make any of it true


It doesnt make it any false either
Thays like I see it.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-30 13:57:08
January 30 2017 13:53 GMT
#3422


Thats huge dynamic a paradoxicaly the biggest issue for me. Games tend to be fast, short and full of spamming lings and mutas (with occasional use of scourges). BO wins are common, strategy is downplayed by micro wars and endless spamming, luck seems to be a bigger factor than in TvT or PvP. Watching it was rarely exciting even when top Zergs were involved, and I remmember hating this MU when playing BW myself. This MU is for me an argument that its not a Terran a problem of BW, its the Zerg who is badly designed.
The truely exciting stage of play - hive-tech ZvZ, is incredibly rare.

Ah, thanks for sharing your thoughts. As I was really interested in the point of view, that is opposite to mine. I love mirrors and think that they are awesome, especially pvp.
edit: to me pvp also looks like the most fair match-up There also was an interesting picture regarding mirrors, I'll try to find it
Here it is [image loading]
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1007 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-30 14:31:58
January 30 2017 14:31 GMT
#3423
Every god damn day

[image loading]
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
January 30 2017 14:49 GMT
#3424
In my opinion the mirror match-ups are the most boring. But out of all the mirror match-ups TvT and PvP are acceptable while ZvZ is just tedious to watch. In my opinion this is because there is very little variation in ZvZ's. They are always the same. The last 10 ZvZs I saw were nearly identical. The only difference between them is the exact number of lings build vs mutas build vs sunkens build.
It can be fun a couple of times but eventually you just grow tired of the match-up.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
January 30 2017 16:08 GMT
#3425
I like ZvZ, it wasn't always that way though. It's only when you start to play it a lot, that you start noticing all the intricate details regarding tactics and strategy and appreciating them. Aside from a 12 hatch vs a 9 pool speed on a small map, there's no build order disadvantages that can't be conquered. It would be the best match up in the game if it regularly went past the muta stage. Hydralisks, lurkers, queens, ultras, defilers etc all pitted against each other makes for quality entertainment every god damn time.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
January 31 2017 08:28 GMT
#3426
Hydralisks, lurkers, queens, ultras, defilers etc .

If it goes past the muta stage, queens fit so naturally in ZvZ, idk why, you just get them at some point and utilize to a great effect.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 01 2017 23:57 GMT
#3427
IcaruS just played a really cool bio TvT game. Definitely worth a watch imo!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
byj
Profile Joined November 2015
494 Posts
February 02 2017 00:42 GMT
#3428
On February 02 2017 08:57 BigFan wrote:
IcaruS just played a really cool bio TvT game. Definitely worth a watch imo!

got any link please? :>
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
February 09 2017 08:48 GMT
#3429
Testie is streaming BW! https://www.twitch.tv/angrytestie
Calendaraka Foxhan
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
February 09 2017 09:08 GMT
#3430
Testie vs Tasteless ahah
Calendaraka Foxhan
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28093 Posts
February 09 2017 09:13 GMT
#3431
I was just watching for some doto, didn't expect him to start playing BW tonight lol. Nice surprise.
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
February 09 2017 10:24 GMT
#3432
That's so cool - maybe a separate topic? How is Testie's approach to the game? Just few games for fun or he wants to stay for a while?
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
February 09 2017 10:58 GMT
#3433
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Writer
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-09 14:37:04
February 09 2017 14:29 GMT
#3434
In case you want to watch the vod here you go https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120794581
Calendaraka Foxhan
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-10 09:59:51
February 10 2017 09:26 GMT
#3435
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
February 10 2017 10:19 GMT
#3436
On February 10 2017 18:26 Ty2 wrote:
Small update on the Testie situation: He said he wants to get "decent" at BW. I'm not really sure what that entails exactly whether that mean reaching c- or any rank in mind. It looks like he's gonna be here for a bit.

Edit: He's already C rank I'd say after only 2 days. His zvp is more like D+ though.


Also keep in mind that it's the end of a season, so he's not playing top performers.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 10 2017 10:51 GMT
#3437
I hope Testie streams more Brood War, it kept me up until 5 am because I enjoyed it that much
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
February 10 2017 11:37 GMT
#3438
Jup quite an enjoyable stream, I also checked the vods.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
February 10 2017 12:15 GMT
#3439
A great nostalgic BW stream was when Tasteless played it in 2014. Played 1v1 to the best of his ability. Would love to see a vod of that.
Tyrant.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 13 2017 07:36 GMT
#3440
Testie is playing Tasteless right now, series is 1-0 in Testie's favor, get in here fam
https://www.twitch.tv/angrytestie
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
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