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BW Power Rank - August 2013
August 22nd, 2013 07:36 GMT
The idea to revamp the Brood War power rank is one that has been hanging around in our staff forums for about as long as we've been doing SOSPA coverage. We always expected that at some point there would be a nice lull, a break in which we'd have no SSL, no SRT, no show matches, no king of the hills to worry about, just a week to sit back and reflect on where everyone was at. Sonic, as brilliant as he is, has not been particularly obliging in this regard and so we've finally decided to bite the bullet. What you read below are Epoxide and I's feelings about the current hierarchy of SOSPA competitors following the end of SRT15. It features some slightly contentious picks, a smattering of thought-provoking contemplation and is based on the best consensus we could come to in terms of ranking. We plan to make this a regular feature in the future, but for the moment we hope that you'll enjoy this post in and of itself. As always with power ranks, the real fun comes once the discussion begins in the thread, so, please, if you have any minor quibbles with our reasoning or our ordering, please let us know, we'll be reading everyone's thoughts very carefully so that we can best decide how to tell you all that you're wrong and we're right. Close But No Cigar Mong: After a period of inactivity and some pretty average performances in recent SRTs, Mong has seen himself eclipsed by a new generation of Afreeca Terran. The ex-CJ pro is still a strong player and holds a good record against a number of SOSPA's current stars, however it's beginning to appear as if Mong's time in the limelight may have passed, with more than seven months having passed since he last made it beyond the Ro8 of a major tournament. ZeLoT: As the only amateur player to have really made an impact on SOSPA competition in the last six months, ZeLoT almost scraped into our top ten solely due to the massive disadvantage he is at versus much more established pros, as well as the wonderfully entertaining games he has produced since he first came to our attention late last year. Although he has been on a little bit of downwards slide since his Ro8 appearance in SRT14, ZeLoT remains one of the strongest Zergs in the scene, quite an accomplishment for a player who never even held a semi-pro license. Lazy: It's easy to forget how long Lazy has actually been playing in Afreeca tournaments, with his first appearance actually coming all the way back in 2011. Since then he's participated mostly in fits and starts, but a recent period of consistent play has seen him become one of the better mid-level Protoss players in SOSPA tournaments, with his top eight finish in SRT15 representing his most impressive tournament run yet. Larva: It has not been a good six months for Sonic's little helper and given the way things are going it's beginning to seem unlikely that we'll ever again see the kind of play that took Larva all the way to the SSL7 final late last year. With his ZvZ and ZvT always a little underwhelming and even his previously superlative ZvP beginning to fail, even making it to the elimination stage of any SOSPA tournament is going to be challenging for the once great Zerg. Ample: Perhaps the only player on this list who has actually shown some improvement in recent tournaments, Ample looked completely down and out in SSL8 where he was eliminated easily by the not always so strong ZvT of hero. Since then, Ample has begun to reengage in SOSPA tournaments, perhaps at the expense of his love life, and has posted improving results, cementing his previous status as a solid second-tier Terran. The August 2013 Power Rank During his career as a progamer, Tyson was no one's favourite player. He was not quite good enough for the glory-hunting Bisu fans, not quite cute enough for the pic-hoarding Stork fans and not quite weird enough for the bermuda-recalling Jaehoon fans. It's easy to imagine how all this could have changed for Tyson when he arrived on Afreeca late last year. However solid he has been since then, the retired MBC progamer has continued to be just a pretty good Protoss player who really likes DTs and will almost certainly never win a tournament. The charming thing about Tyson is that he doesn't really seem to care and that of all the ex-pro players that we've seen arrive on Afreeca he seems to be the one who has changed the least since his KeSPA days. Through his years of experience, Tyson has managed to turn mediocrity into an art-form, and for that, we award him tenth place. Regardless of how obnoxious he is, how many semi-final matches he fails to show up with or the number of times he throws away a series through sheer childish arrogance, Sky remains one of the all time greats of Afreeca competition. A number of disagreements with Sonic over various things, all of which were almost certainly Sky's fault, have seen the former Hwaseung player miss a number of tournaments this year. But even after a long period of inactivity Sky has still shown the ability to absolutely demolish anyone put in front of him, when he is so inclined. Sky's recent participation in SRT15 summed up everything you'd ever need to know about his playstyle and his personality. Beginning his Ro32 group with a series against Sea, the reigning champion who had just recently beaten god of PvT, Movie, in the SRT14 Ro4, Sky plays his typical aggressive, annoying, abrasive style and takes a 2-1 victory making that Sea's only series loss in his last two SRT appearances. If that was where the story ended we could perhaps be seeing Sky a little further up this list; however, brilliance without madness cannot be called genius. Sky's subsequent performance in what looked like a winnable group for him can only be described as a disaster, losing won games for no apparent reason. After having won his Ro32 group over the eventual tournament champion, Sky was eliminated, finishing last in his group. Sky's position in the SOSPA hierarchy is hard to define, and if we were to re-order this list based on pure, unadulterated talent, he may find himself several positions higher. Regardless of his imperfections, Sky is a special character and while it's hard to see him reaching the heights that he did in 2012 again, he remains one of the most interesting players SOSPA has to offer.  For the last four tournaments now, everyone has been saying that this is Pusan's last tournament before he goes to the army. But the old man just keeps on playing, and the results finally come in. Ever since his fourth place in SSL7 in over nine months ago he has struggled. In SSL8 he made it to the Ro16 before getting knocked out 0-2 in his group. SRT13 and SRT14 weren't any better as he got knocked out in the first group stage of both tournaments 0-2 and 1-2 respectively. What looked like a sad ending turned into hope as he was signed for SRT15. Pusan 2-0'd a group that looked too hard for him to get out of. In the round of 16 he managed to get out 2-1 in convincing fashion, only losing one game to sSak, 2-0'ing both Shout and Ample. In the quarterfinals Movie was waiting. After going down two games, Pusan looked completely off and out of there. Pusan miraculously won three games in a row and made it to the semifinal again after nine months. Unfortunately he got 0-3'd by sSak and 0-2'd by hero. With some more Spirit, Pusan can make another beautiful run. Had we begun doing SOSPA power ranks in 2011, HiyA might have held the rank one position for a year. His decision making and execution during that time was such that even when he failed to win a single tournament, it still seemed almost impossible to argue against him as Afreeca's clear number one. Since then, the bar has been raised several times over and although he has remained extremely competitive, HiyA's number one status has long since gone. At the time of writing, HiyA hasn't featured in a final since SSL8 and hasn't competed in the elimination bracket of an SRT since March. Through our coverage of HiyA's escapades in various SOSPA competitions, we've occasionally made attempts to speculate about what is going to happen with HiyA in the future and with little success. It will take a great deal for us to again see HiyA threatening the kind of positions that are occupied by his Terran colleagues Sea and sSak, but you should never write off the Hollywood Fishiking.  Being second best is rarely something that competitive people enjoy, but it's a role that Shuttle has made home ever since Movie played his first SOSPA game in October 2012. The former STX captain is a regular participant in the latter stages of SRTs and has proved an obstacle for all of Afreeca's best players over the course of the last six months. His PvT win-rate is exceptional, approaching 75% and consisting almost exclusively of games versus the very best Terran opposition. It's actually ridiculous that Shuttle is so far down this list given the level of play he's capable of and the win-rates he holds versus a number of the players above him. Why is it, then, that we continually refer to Shuttle as being second best to Movie, a player who has worse win-rates in PvT and PvP and who has very recently lost to players that Shuttle easily dominates? The answer is difficult to come up with, but ultimately boils down to one thing: two SRT titles. As good as Shuttle has been, he seems destined to remain Movie's deputy, with the former OSL finalist's recent dip in form still masked in these rankings by his possession of those two, back to back SRT victories. Ever since his arrival after the mysterious announcement that a former pro would be replacing Sky in SSL8, he has been expected to crush face as he is the most recent retired progamer. Initially he did just that. He 2-0'd both his groups, consisting of HiyA, Cola, and Sea as well as HiyA, Mong, and Lazy. He went 3-1 against Larva in the quarterfinals, but his run ended abruptly when he faced Killer in the semifinals. Killer schooled sSak with a quick 3-0. In the 3rd/4th place match it didn't look much better, what was supposed to be an easy 2-0 against hero became a nail-biting 2-1. In SRT13 he yet again 2-0'd his group, going 1-0 against Pusan, and 2-0 against Shuttle. Showing off good TvP that seemed to be every SOSPA Terran's weakness. In the quarterfinals he faced Movie and got crushed 1-3. The story repeated itself in SRT14 where he 2-0'd his group yet again but got knocked out in the quarterfinals by hero 2-3 very unexpectedly. Guess what? In SRT15 sSak 2-0'd both his groups, again. This time sSak had to face what appeared to be an easy opponent; Hint. In an extremely close series sSak managed to close it out 3-2. On his side of the bracket either Movie or Pusan awaited. What looked like yet another end to Movie was abrupted by the Spirit Toss. Pusan beats Movie and is the one that has to face sSak. With sSak's TvP looking extremely shaken the doubts on sSak winning against Pusan were high. To prove himself worthy, sSak crushed Pusan 3-0 which put him in the final against Sea. sSak got dominated by Sea 0-3, but there is no shame in losing to Sea right now. sSak is the type of player that I feel can win against anyone, but lose to the most ridiculous opponents. He finally made it all the way to the final, next time maybe it's time to win.  hero has always been considered a monster in ZvP. Ever since hero arrived in the SOSPA scene his ZvP has been growing and is now at almost 73%. Currently I don't consider any Protoss in the SOSPA scene a favourite against him. I would dare to consider it even better than Killer's at this point. In the other match-ups hero has always been mediocre or just blatantly bad. His ZvZ has always hovered around 50%, and he usually beats inferior opponents but loses to anyone respectable. With how few good Zerg there are at the moment that is not something hero has to worry about. What he needs (or needed) to worry about is his ZvT. hero has not faired well against Terran for a very very long time, losing miserably to anyone that is half-decent at the match-up. I had hero written off completely against sSak in the 3rd/4th place match in SSL8, but even though he lost, he managed to win a game and not look too bad in the ones he lost. He redeemed himself even further when he managed to win against sSak 3-2 in the quarterfinals of SRT14. In SRT15 he unfortunately lost to both sSak and Sea 0-2 and 1-3. He did however not look as weak as he used to, despite the crushing figures. If hero can improve his ZvT even further, there isn't much that stops him from making a final. Movie has been knocked out twice by opponents he should have beaten in the two most recent SRT's. Movie was expected to win against the horrible TvP of Sea, and the inferior PvP of Pusan, but he didn't. Even so Movie has won two of the fourth most recent SRT's and gotten to the semifinals and quarterfinals respectively. Movie is still the #1 Protoss in the SOSPA scene, and for good reasons. His PvT is his strongest match-up with over 66% win-rate, closely followed by his PvZ at almost 58%. The only three opponents I can see consistently beat Movie is Killer, hero, and PvP. That says a lot about Movie and how good he actually is. Another title for Movie is to be expected but things have to go a bit his way, unlike for Killer and Sea. He is further from Killer and Sea's level than he is from hero and sSak. If the disappointing results keep coming, Movie's position might be in danger. Sea has been on an absolute tear recently. Winning the two most recent tournaments; SRT14 and SRT15. One against Killer and the other one was the biggest SRT yet. Sea has the best TvZ and TvT in the scene, without a doubt. Both match-ups around the 70% mark. Sea is the only Terran that has recently been able to go toe-to-toe with Killer. Sea is 2-0 in best-of-series against Killer, winning both series barely 3-2 in the final of April 17th-19th Super Match and SRT14. Killer didn't even participate in SRT15, without Killer, Sea would be the indisputable #1. So why is Killer ranked higher than Sea? The answer is quite simple. Killer looks invincible against pretty much any opponent he faces, and Sea doesn't. The chink in Sea's armour is TvP. Before this season of SRT Sea had under 50% in TvP. After losing against Sky 1-2 in the group stages he has gone on a seven game win-streak against Protoss, beating ErOs_Lucifer 1-0, Lazy 2-0, Tyson 1-0, and Lazy 3-0 again. Finally putting him over 50%, and the first time Sea's TvP looks good since before MBCGame HERO disbanded. Even though that's certainly impressive numbers, the opponents he faced are hardly considered top-tier PvT'ers. What gives me more hope is that Sea won 3-1 against Movie in SRT14. So far Sea's improvement in TvP might even be a fluke. I'm not yet convinced that Sea miraculously went from atrocious to brilliant in TvP, in under one month. But if this keeps up, we are definitely going to see a change at the top. Killer's status as the number one player on Afreeca has never been in more danger than it is at this moment in time. Ever since his first appearance in SOSPA competition, the ex Hwaseung Zerg has been the undisputed king, taking two consecutive SSL victories and going on incredible winning streaks in ZvZ and ZvP that lasted over a period of months. Even with his lower levels of activity outside of SSL seasons, Killer's level of play is not the thing that might see him topple. In fact, Killer remains comfortably ahead of every single player in the SOSPA scene, every single player except Sea. ZvT has been Killer's only major failing stretching back all the way to his time as a progamer under the tutelage of Jaedong and it has also been the one match-up that during his SOSPA career has simply be "good enough" rather than the "ridiculously good" as he has been in ZvP and ZvZ. Dropped games against the likes of KangTaeWan and Shinee have lead to Killer's almost embarrassing 64% winrate in ZvT, the kind of record that most players would jump at but which is almost a full 10% lower than his other two. The impending threat of Sea was fully realised for the first time in the final of SRT14, with Killer's loss representing his first ever elimination from a SOSPA tournament, ruining his previous perfect record of winning every tournament he entered. However one loss in an online tournament is not enough to dethrone a double SSL champion, and with Killer having returned in SRT16 to compete against the reigning champion Sea, things could be very different this time next month.
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Ha finally the Power Rank ! Great job guys !
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Croatia9489 Posts
BW Power Rank is back baby!
btw, SRT starts in an hour!
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HOLY FUCK YES! O_O so happy the BW power rank is back, now if only it returned to the side bar (probably not gonna happen tho...unless u let power ranks be a settings option) Also BEST HWAITING wanna see you up there soon
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
No Zelot in top 10. lol joke ranking
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
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Norway25712 Posts
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
On August 22 2013 20:25 KristofferAG wrote: ZeLoT #1
Zelot is so good he transcends power rank.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 22 2013 20:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: SEA!!
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Woooot!
Minidong fighiting!
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Pretty fair power ranking, would love to see hero up higher but his ZvT and ZvZ are pretty lacking still I still love his play though.
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On August 22 2013 20:32 Epoxide wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/pachi/news/seashield.jpg) haha, nice
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Katowice25012 Posts
The highest Sea has ever legitimately been on a PR, how nice. HE'S COMING FOR YOU, KILLER.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
I never thought I'd see the day where Pusan was on a power rank again <3
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Wow haven't watched bw since 2011 but seeing all the familiar faces takes me back!
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Bisutopia19207 Posts
No Bisu even in CBNC. This is a farce...
I expect if sea wins this killer might lose #1 next month.
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Hiya~!!!
Always good to see BW content :D
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what
it's back?
ITS BACK!!!
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Sea's problem is TvP
In other news, water is wet.
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Estonia4644 Posts
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omg its the BW Power Rank! Rejoice! Fine work there :D
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(Un)fortunately, current playing strength of SOSPA players seem to be clearly divided enough to make usual controversy of Power Ranks unlikely. Still, I have enough faith on some players - such as sSak - to shake things up for next month!
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Finally back, you've been long missed PR!
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TAKE THEM MY TEARS OF JOY TAKE ALL OF THEM
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BW power rank warms my heart
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terror[fOu] true numba one
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amazing stuff, thanks guys
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O MY GOD!
This is amazing..T_T
BW is getting back ;O;
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It makes me want to play BW...
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No honorable mention of Fengzi making it out of his group or Scan winning a single game? This PR is Rigged.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 23 2013 00:14 art_of_turtle wrote: No honorable mention of Fengzi making it out of his group or Scan winning a single game? This PR is Rigged. This was written before SRT16 started.
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Awesome BW power rank!!!! Minidong hwaiting!!!
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BW <3 Man its been soooo long since a PR Thank you <3 Movie I believe
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On August 23 2013 00:25 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:14 art_of_turtle wrote: No honorable mention of Fengzi making it out of his group or Scan winning a single game? This PR is Rigged. This was written before SRT16 started.
would be a bit to early for honorable mentioning Fengzi anyay. We haven't had much chance to judge his consistency yet. Plus i think all the "close but no cigars" would beat him in a bo 5. Larva perhaps not.
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''and not quite weird enough for the bermuda-recalling Jaehoon fans.'' on KJWCJ on Tyson
Signature worthy!
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 23 2013 00:47 thezanursic wrote: ''and not quite weird enough for the bermuda-recalling Jaehoon fans.'' on KJWCJ on Tyson
Signature worthy! How did you know kjwcj wrote that ?
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On August 23 2013 00:25 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:14 art_of_turtle wrote: No honorable mention of Fengzi making it out of his group or Scan winning a single game? This PR is Rigged. This was written before SRT16 started. Fake excuse...you did it on purpose....with BW Power Rank, you killing esport...
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I'm still waiting for the WC3 power rank...
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Croatia9489 Posts
On August 23 2013 01:43 catabowl wrote: I'm still waiting for the WC3 power rank... Then you should go to a WC3 website and maybe you'll find it.
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On August 23 2013 00:59 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:47 thezanursic wrote: ''and not quite weird enough for the bermuda-recalling Jaehoon fans.'' on KJWCJ on Tyson
Signature worthy! How did you know kjwcj wrote that  ? Basic reading comprehension?
''What you read below are Epoxide and I's feelings about the current hierarchy of SOSPA competitors following the end of SRT15.''
Text by KJWCJ
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 23 2013 01:58 thezanursic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 00:59 Epoxide wrote:On August 23 2013 00:47 thezanursic wrote: ''and not quite weird enough for the bermuda-recalling Jaehoon fans.'' on KJWCJ on Tyson
Signature worthy! How did you know kjwcj wrote that  ? Basic reading comprehension? ''What you read below are Epoxide and I's feelings about the current hierarchy of SOSPA competitors following the end of SRT15.'' Text by KJWCJ. At the bottom: WRITING - KJWCJ, EPOXIDE
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On August 23 2013 01:59 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:58 thezanursic wrote:On August 23 2013 00:59 Epoxide wrote:On August 23 2013 00:47 thezanursic wrote: ''and not quite weird enough for the bermuda-recalling Jaehoon fans.'' on KJWCJ on Tyson
Signature worthy! How did you know kjwcj wrote that  ? Basic reading comprehension? ''What you read below are Epoxide and I's feelings about the current hierarchy of SOSPA competitors following the end of SRT15.'' Text by KJWCJ. At the bottom: WRITING - KJWCJ, EPOXIDE I was under the assumption that you were the brains behind power ranking the SOSPA players and he was the lab rat typing away :d
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Yum Bo Sung <3
Amazing comeback, guys! Now can I please have my Power Rank back at the bottom right of the screen?
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United States20661 Posts
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On August 23 2013 02:07 Last Romantic wrote: Brood war lives! Hey old school guy!
Yes it does!
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So happy to see this, and to see Sea finally near the top of a Power Rank!
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Nice! The amount of protoss present is balanced out by the winner and runner up
Pusan Fighting!
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Ohai my bw buddies. Revival!
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haha, pretty great to see Pusan in the mix
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OH SHIT! The real POWER RANK is back.
On August 22 2013 20:32 Epoxide wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/pachi/news/seashield.jpg)
What he said.
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Germany6926 Posts
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Best gonna reclaim the no.1 protoss throne.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
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Brood war hwaiting! Go movie!
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My favourite broodwar player of all time at rank #2? I'm happy with this :D
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Bisutopia19207 Posts
There aren't enough pissed off people right now for this to be a proper PR. Should have put ZeLot in the top 3.
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
On August 23 2013 02:32 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: Ohai my bw buddies. Revival! Holy smokes you're still around!
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On August 23 2013 03:53 Kau wrote:Holy smokes you're still around!
Always lurking for bw, Mr. Kau
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Sea robbed! But that's ok cos Power Rank. Thanks writers!
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A fine tradition! May this feature never die. gogoyumbosung
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Love that this is back! Unfortunately I agree with the rankings so no angry angst! Killer and by.hero hwaiting.
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Btw probably been pointed out but sidebar pr is wrong with sea at no. one. Nazgul, know anything about that???
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Bisutopia19207 Posts
On August 23 2013 04:43 kerpal wrote: Btw probably been pointed out but sidebar pr is wrong with sea at no. one. Nazgul, know anything about that??? That's Elo rank. Unless PR bar is back.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 23 2013 04:43 kerpal wrote: Btw probably been pointed out but sidebar pr is wrong with sea at no. one. Nazgul, know anything about that??? That's TLPD's ELO ranking not Power Rank.
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On August 23 2013 04:46 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 04:43 kerpal wrote: Btw probably been pointed out but sidebar pr is wrong with sea at no. one. Nazgul, know anything about that??? That's Elo rank. Unless PR bar is back. D'oh! Bring back the sidebar?!
I got so used to seeing fantasy's name there I didn't notice the overhall.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 23 2013 04:54 kerpal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 04:46 BisuDagger wrote:On August 23 2013 04:43 kerpal wrote: Btw probably been pointed out but sidebar pr is wrong with sea at no. one. Nazgul, know anything about that??? That's Elo rank. Unless PR bar is back. D'oh! Bring back the sidebar?! I got so used to seeing fantasy's name there I didn't notice the overhall. Fantasy's name was also ELO ranking.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Great Power Rank. Sea isn't quite high enough, but great all the same
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I didn't know Sea was still competing. I don't follow BW that much, but I'm always up for seeing Sea play!
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In Broodwar rankings tend to be a lot more precise (than in SC2), not much to argue with. Well made, thanks. Shoutout to Sziky, still.
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United States10328 Posts
"Killer's almost embarrassing 64% winrate in ZvT"
kekekekke
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TerrOr[fOu] #1 for entertainment?
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It's a power rank? Woah. I haven't watched enough lately to talk about this... are there VODs/replays of these tourneys someplace?
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TLADT24920 Posts
On August 23 2013 07:11 VGhost wrote: It's a power rank? Woah. I haven't watched enough lately to talk about this... are there VODs/replays of these tourneys someplace? ya on snipealot3's stream: http://www.twitch.tv/snipealot3/profile They are a must watch imo. Olympus vs Killer first game was great. Hiya's games were brilliant and Lazy vs Hyosim was amazing and shows just how much micro is important in BW! Of course Sea vs Ssak from last SRT as well! :D
Great power rank! Killer deserves #1 spot, so does Sea for #2. I would've liked ZeLot to grab a top 10 spot purely on being an amateur making it to RO8 in a tournament where most are retired pros.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Killer, you finally made it. From Hwaseung House joke to #1, a true underdog story!
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On August 23 2013 04:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Great Power Rank. Sea isn't quite high enough, but great all the same So I guess the question is: Will you make a rap, if he gets #1?
Awesome to see a new power rank! Let's put it in the right column, where it belongs, shall we? ^^
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You know, the low post counts from a small number of people in this forum really reminds me of the pre-2009 days.
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So cool to see PR back. Good job guys.
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Wait why is everyone happy in this thread? Come on people, step up. We should all be angry and argue about everything in here, and maybe atleast a ban already. Its not a PR if the thread is happy and content.
That being said, AMPLE #1!
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On August 23 2013 10:40 iLoveKT wrote: Wait why is everyone happy in this thread? Come on people, step up. We should all be angry and argue about everything in here, and maybe atleast a ban already. Its not a PR if the thread is happy and content.
That being said, AMPLE #1!
lol, that's so true. No trolls, no heated argument about the order of players at 9th and 10th spot, that's not a PR thread.
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nice power rank id love to see more of these
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TLADT24920 Posts
On August 23 2013 10:40 iLoveKT wrote: Wait why is everyone happy in this thread? Come on people, step up. We should all be angry and argue about everything in here, and maybe atleast a ban already. Its not a PR if the thread is happy and content.
That being said, AMPLE #1! I say iLoveKT should be banned for displaying his blatant KT love with that Ample #1 comment!
+ Show Spoiler +I did what you wanted lol 
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United States10328 Posts
killer killer killer killer killer killer killer
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I thought SEA retired after Liquid acquiring him? or is he playing without a team? (sorry I don't follow the BW scene that much anymore)
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On August 23 2013 15:32 shin_toss wrote: I thought SEA retired after Liquid acquiring him? or is he playing without a team? (sorry I don't follow the BW scene that much anymore)
There's not really anymore sponsored teams for Brood War at the moment, it's kind of a free for all on afreeca.
With that said, I'm sure he makes far more money streaming than he ever did on a team.
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The only PR that matteredd ..
BW
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Killer ! Next time Sea #1 I believe ! Nice to see a new power rank
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Since there hasn't been any real drama in this thread yet, I'll help myself to a fat slice of it, starting at #9; because Ample and Lazy are both more deserving of a spot in the top-10 than Sky, given their recent results.
Honestly though, Sky on #9 isn't a huge deal. I can live with Sky placed on number 9. Whatever, it's cool. It's nothing worth getting upset about. You know what isn't cool though? KILLER AS NUMBER 1! WHAT?! SEA, ANYONE?! Please tell me you got your numbers confused, and actually meant to put Sea down as the #1 badass of August. This here, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime candidate for controversy. Wars have been fought over less than this, I'll tell you that much. A line has been crossed, an injustice has occurred. I, for one, won't stand for it!
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Just kidding (sort of, anyway). The writing is as exquisite and first-class as always, and seeing BW power ranks again put a huge grin on my face 
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
Sea still hasn't proven his TvP is good enough, Killer can't lose to anyone but Sea. One whole race is more than one player. Sky has better recent results than both Ample and Lazy.
There, I told you why you are wrong :3
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Really weird that number 2 keeps owning number 1. I guess this is similar to the time when Federer was 1 but Nadal kept beating him in finals.
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Ah, thanks. IDK who does this, but the Small VOD Thread link should be updated to the new thread here.
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On August 24 2013 00:39 Epoxide wrote: Sea still hasn't proven his TvP is good enough, Killer can't lose to anyone but Sea. One whole race is more than one player. Sky has better recent results than both Ample and Lazy.
There, I told you why you are wrong :3 Dont kill discussion after first post ):
Let some silly arguments happen before you post something thís rational.
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Almost a tear in my eye when I saw this, I love you guys :D
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Canada11320 Posts
BW Power Rank is back. Life is good.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 24 2013 02:03 VGhost wrote:Ah, thanks. IDK who does this, but the Small VOD Thread link should be updated to the new thread here. I'm doing the actual games for the database. But those links etc. requires a programmer/admin, so that's not something I can change sorry.
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On August 24 2013 02:44 Falling wrote: BW Power Rank is back. Life is good.
+1
Excellent initiative! this might get people more involved with SRT
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On August 24 2013 00:39 Epoxide wrote: Sea still hasn't proven his TvP is good enough, Killer can't lose to anyone but Sea. One whole race is more than one player. Sky has better recent results than both Ample and Lazy.
There, I told you why you are wrong :3 You make a convincing argument, but unfortunately I'm a Sea fanboy so ¯\(シ)/¯
EDIT: No worries though, next PR I'll be more unreasonable and fanboy-ish in my argument. At times like these I actually get disappointed with how mature the BW community can be. I really would've liked someone to say "NO F U KILLER #1 NEWBTARD!!!111 UR MOM SUX DIX!!!1". Not because I particularly like capslock or nerdrage (or people insulting my mother), but it feels like it would be appropriate here for some reason
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So pleased to see the BW power rank back, but it feels weird without the alternative lists and rabid arguments. Good things take time I guess...
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On August 24 2013 05:19 TehRei wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 00:39 Epoxide wrote: Sea still hasn't proven his TvP is good enough, Killer can't lose to anyone but Sea. One whole race is more than one player. Sky has better recent results than both Ample and Lazy.
There, I told you why you are wrong :3 You make a convincing argument, but unfortunately I'm a Sea fanboy so ¯\(シ)/¯ EDIT: No worries though, next PR I'll be more unreasonable and fanboy-ish in my argument. At times like these I actually get disappointed with how mature the BW community can be. I really would've liked someone to say "NO F U KILLER #1 NEWBTARD!!!111 UR MOM SUX DIX!!!1". Not because I particularly like capslock or nerdrage (or people insulting my mother), but it feels like it would be appropriate here for some reason
but killer is #1
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Dropped games against the likes of KangTaeWan and Shinee have lead to Killer's almost embarrassing 64% winrate in ZvT
64% embarrassing...what? That is sick
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Netherlands19130 Posts
So glad to see Movie doing well lately, loved that guy forever. Good old CJ proleague epicness.
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omg i clicked on front page and i see this :D
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Mini Dong taking the crown. So fly !
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On August 23 2013 16:25 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 15:32 shin_toss wrote: I thought SEA retired after Liquid acquiring him? or is he playing without a team? (sorry I don't follow the BW scene that much anymore) There's not really anymore sponsored teams for Brood War at the moment, it's kind of a free for all on afreeca. With that said, I'm sure he makes far more money streaming than he ever did on a team. I think Liquid should acquire him for SC1. That'd be awesome. And Pusan while we are at it.
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Baa?21242 Posts
cool we have power ranks again =O
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On August 26 2013 08:01 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 16:25 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:On August 23 2013 15:32 shin_toss wrote: I thought SEA retired after Liquid acquiring him? or is he playing without a team? (sorry I don't follow the BW scene that much anymore) There's not really anymore sponsored teams for Brood War at the moment, it's kind of a free for all on afreeca. With that said, I'm sure he makes far more money streaming than he ever did on a team. I think Liquid should acquire him for SC1. That'd be awesome. And Pusan while we are at it. wouldn't want Bisu to be acquired? :O That's a first! lol. Having said that, there is only SOSPA competition left so I don't see why liquid should acquire Sea as in what are the benefits? It would be nice but SCII is their main focus now.
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On August 26 2013 13:05 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 08:01 BisuDagger wrote:On August 23 2013 16:25 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:On August 23 2013 15:32 shin_toss wrote: I thought SEA retired after Liquid acquiring him? or is he playing without a team? (sorry I don't follow the BW scene that much anymore) There's not really anymore sponsored teams for Brood War at the moment, it's kind of a free for all on afreeca. With that said, I'm sure he makes far more money streaming than he ever did on a team. I think Liquid should acquire him for SC1. That'd be awesome. And Pusan while we are at it. wouldn't want Bisu to be acquired? :O That's a first! lol. Having said that, there is only SOSPA competition left so I don't see why liquid should acquire Sea as in what are the benefits? It would be nice but SCII is their main focus now. I'm just having fun. But the benifit would of course be that its awesome and sea kicks ass. And I don't acknowledge Bisu as part of the SCBW 2.0 era until he retires from sc2 so no need to include him. xD
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On August 26 2013 14:02 BisuDagger wrote: And I don't acknowledge Bisu as part of the SCBW 2.0 era until he retires from sc2 so no need to include him. xD
Patience! ^^
I've always thought it would be neat to have some sort of fan sponsored team. Sort of in the same vain as "subscribing" to a twitch channel, or something along those lines. No idea how it would actually work, just thinking out loud here.
Unfortunately I can't see a lot of sponsors jumping at the bit to throw money at BW. People, especially foreigners, are just too attracted to shiny things. I see people come into snipealot all the time and say "wtf graffix" and 10 minutes later "wow, this is way more entertaining than sc2".
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Great to see BW power ranks again! How I have missed you. Great work to the writers. So keen for SRT16.
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I love seeing Sea #2 ... i was sad when he retired from sc2 but i am happy he has gone back to his first love.
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With Sea's continued domination of Killer, I think he should be the new no.1 by the end of the month.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 30 2013 13:24 Caladbolg wrote: With Sea's continued domination of Killer, I think he should be the new no.1 by the end of the month. It was never about their head-to-head score. Sea has been dominating Killer there for quite a while. What always stopped Sea was his atrocious TvP, while Killer didn't lose to anyone except for Sea. If Sea were to get #1 next it would be due to improving in TvP, not that he beat Killer again.
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What you read below are Epoxide and I's feelings about the current hierarchy of SOSPA competitors following the end of SRT15. It features some slightly contentious picks, a smattering of thought-provoking contemplation and is based on the best consensus we could come to in terms of ranking. We plan to make this a regular feature in the future, but for the moment we hope that you'll enjoy this post in and of itself. As always with power ranks, the real fun comes once the discussion begins in the thread, so, please, if you have any minor quibbles with our reasoning or our ordering, please let us know, we'll be reading everyone's thoughts very carefully so that we can best decide how to tell you all that you're wrong and we're right.
This, LoL
why do i believe in brood war great come back ?
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On August 26 2013 14:02 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 13:05 BigFan wrote:On August 26 2013 08:01 BisuDagger wrote:On August 23 2013 16:25 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:On August 23 2013 15:32 shin_toss wrote: I thought SEA retired after Liquid acquiring him? or is he playing without a team? (sorry I don't follow the BW scene that much anymore) There's not really anymore sponsored teams for Brood War at the moment, it's kind of a free for all on afreeca. With that said, I'm sure he makes far more money streaming than he ever did on a team. I think Liquid should acquire him for SC1. That'd be awesome. And Pusan while we are at it. wouldn't want Bisu to be acquired? :O That's a first! lol. Having said that, there is only SOSPA competition left so I don't see why liquid should acquire Sea as in what are the benefits? It would be nice but SCII is their main focus now. I'm just having fun. But the benifit would of course be that its awesome and sea kicks ass. And I don't acknowledge Bisu as part of the SCBW 2.0 era until he retires from sc2 so no need to include him. xD This might come sooner than i expected when you posted this.
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Yeah Movie ! Yeah Sea !
need more BW contain !
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On August 30 2013 18:30 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 13:24 Caladbolg wrote: With Sea's continued domination of Killer, I think he should be the new no.1 by the end of the month. It was never about their head-to-head score. Sea has been dominating Killer there for quite a while. What always stopped Sea was his atrocious TvP, while Killer didn't lose to anyone except for Sea. If Sea were to get #1 next it would be due to improving in TvP, not that he beat Killer again.
Eh, my issue is that the BW scene is full of good to great Protoss players while the only notable Zergs are Killer and hero. Looking at Sea's record, he's only pretty much fought Killer, hero, Zelot, and Larva in TvZ. His TvP record, however, has Movie, Sky, Shuttle, Pusan, Tyson, Lazy, with most of his losses coming at the hands of Movie and Shuttle, two of the very best players the scene has to offer since their switch. Heck even Killer lost quite a lot of games to those two, and that's with the consensus highest matchup advantage in BW.
With the slight inherent advantage of P over T, I think Sea's TvP was unfairly judged. His recent streak at the matchup paints the complete picture of the most complete (and best) player right now.
Thus I end my argument.
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On August 23 2013 01:43 catabowl wrote: I'm still waiting for the WC3 power rank...
WC3 Power Ranks
There you go kind sir 
A little overdue but great rank, hope to see Sea (see what i did there! xd) in first place since from ancient times of the Emperor TERRAN IMBA!
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On August 22 2013 20:45 RoieTRS wrote: Wow haven't watched bw since 2011 but seeing all the familiar faces takes me back!
Haven't watched BW since 2010 either (besides hybrid proleague which was a disgrace), how da fuq is Killer the best BW player now? I still think of him as this guy:
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/Backseat_Broodwar/hwaseunghouse.jpg
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I remember Killer as the guy Oz was playing as their Ace (for inscrutable reasons, since they had Jaedong who is also Zerg) and then BoxeR beat him. It was glorious.
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flash fantasy jaedong plz they still have the power that is above all
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is this real life? bw power rank in aug 2013?
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BROOD WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On September 04 2013 12:28 i.of.the.storm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 20:45 RoieTRS wrote: Wow haven't watched bw since 2011 but seeing all the familiar faces takes me back! Haven't watched BW since 2010 either (besides hybrid proleague which was a disgrace), how da fuq is Killer the best BW player now? I still think of him as this guy: + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/Backseat_Broodwar/hwaseunghouse.jpg Killer made headway in OSL 2011(not sure about 2012) to the RO8. His ZvP is amazing to watch. Sea is the only player so far in SOSPA that can beat him although others have come close. I think with Jangbi entering SOSPA competition, he'll be able to beat him as much as Sea and more lol.
PS he's called mini-dong for a reason
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On September 04 2013 14:11 phosphorylation wrote: is this real life? bw power rank in aug 2013? It is destiny.
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On September 04 2013 13:55 winthrop wrote: flash fantasy jaedong plz they still have the power that is above all They aren't playing this game though.
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On September 04 2013 20:11 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 13:55 winthrop wrote: flash fantasy jaedong plz they still have the power that is above all They aren't playing this game though. Yet. I believe!
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
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BW Power Ranking! woo! Nice writeup, guys!
I hope to see Jaehoon and Bisu on this list two months from now! :D
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Even tho I usually/sometimes don't agree with ranks. Im really happy that this is back. Now we need PL format back and I am set for life.
Big big big thanks for this rank/topic.
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Wooo! BW Power Rank! I feel all nostalgic and warm inside )
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Need one of these for October
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
We were planning on doing on last month after SRT17 but Sonic decided to host another tour right after ;;
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On November 01 2013 07:45 Epoxide wrote: We were planning on doing on last month after SRT17 but Sonic decided to host another tour right after ;;
GG :D Just post what you can, when you can
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