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Poland3775 Posts
On May 29 2013 13:09 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 07:40 rauk wrote:
Bo1 and pl seem pretty volatile. Why not limit to only boX wins? That's pretty much the point of UWC. It's a fun title that means little in terms of skill, and you're simply trying to see if some obscure player was able to get the title at a given point in time. On the basic level, it's a chain of single games intertwined by a winner-take-all link. For example, in SC2: WOL, the last holder of the title was actually Bear (who?) who was able to beat Roro (I think) and suddenly not play anymore for the rest of WOL (except that they counted non-televised preliminaries which, in my opinion, shouldn't really count).
Bear was easy. Look at the least above - Freemura was UWC for like 3 years...
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Oh I ignored the abomination that was hybrid Proleague, but yes I should have mentioned it.
WIth you on tthat bro :D.
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this whole thing would probably be a lot more interesting if you just started with boxer
just a thought
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Poland3775 Posts
On May 30 2013 04:03 Zanno wrote:
this whole thing would probably be a lot more interesting if you just started with boxer
just a thought
Why? o_O You start with Championship. BoxeR's first Championship was 4th OSL - after Freemura, Grrr.... and GARIMTO. It's REALLY hard to justify that. It's like starting UWC in Football with Brazil - because Brazil's football is AWESOME - rather than Uruguay.
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On May 29 2013 17:21 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 13:09 Caladbolg wrote:On May 29 2013 07:40 rauk wrote:
Bo1 and pl seem pretty volatile. Why not limit to only boX wins? That's pretty much the point of UWC. It's a fun title that means little in terms of skill, and you're simply trying to see if some obscure player was able to get the title at a given point in time. On the basic level, it's a chain of single games intertwined by a winner-take-all link. For example, in SC2: WOL, the last holder of the title was actually Bear (who?) who was able to beat Roro (I think) and suddenly not play anymore for the rest of WOL (except that they counted non-televised preliminaries which, in my opinion, shouldn't really count). Bear was easy. Look at the least above - Freemura was UWC for like 3 years... That was with the at least Bo3 rule, which doesn't really make sense, especially in the early years.
So no one knows anything about these early tournaments? ;(
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Australia54784 Posts
On May 29 2013 13:09 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 07:40 rauk wrote:
Bo1 and pl seem pretty volatile. Why not limit to only boX wins? That's pretty much the point of UWC. It's a fun title that means little in terms of skill, and you're simply trying to see if some obscure player was able to get the title at a given point in time. On the basic level, it's a chain of single games intertwined by a winner-take-all link. For example, in SC2: WOL, the last holder of the title was actually Bear (who?) who was able to beat Roro (I think) and suddenly not play anymore for the rest of WOL (except that they counted non-televised preliminaries which, in my opinion, shouldn't really count).
they were televised
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I'M tired of computers taking my job, and bored, so why not continue?
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Ruling: Does not count. The ZZGame Invite took place over three days, including OSL days, so I highly doubt it was broadcast. Also, it may have taken place before the OSL game, so I'm just going to ignore this tournament.
4/13/01
 Lee defeats  Grrrr... at Hanbitsoft OSL.
Ruling: Grrrr... lost at both the OSL and Game-Q Starleague on the same day. It's probably impossible to tell which was first (does anyone remember the broadcasting schedules back then? Doubt it...) so I'm going to go with the OSL game, which is lower on the page.
Note: Lee went out of the OSL at the same time.
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Ruling: Does not count. A Bo3 played over a week? Yeah, no.
6/15/01
 sigamari defeats Lee at Coca-Cola OSL
7/6/01
JinNam defeats Lee at Coca-Cola OSL
Note: Damn, they used to spread these things out...
7/20/01
Lee defeats JinNam at Coca-Cola OSL
7/25/01
JinNam defeats Lee at Coca-Cola OSL
7/29/01
Side defeats Lee at 3rd iTV Ranking League
8/1/01
TaewoO defeats Side at 2001 KPGA August
8/24/01
[z-zone]SoO defeats TaewoO at 2001 KPGA August
Note: The first Bo5 here, I believe...
9/12/01
H.O.T-Forever defeats [z-zone]SoO at 2001 KPGA September
Note: SoO's last game O_O
10/14/01
+ Show Spoiler +[tlpd#players# 910#Z]younggil[/tlpd] defeats H.O.T-Forever at KBK Jeju Intl Fest.
Ruling: Does not count. A 64-player, one-day tournament in 2001? I highly doubt this was broadcast in any meaningful way, and I'm not really sure why it's listed as a normal event in TLPD when other "festivals" aren't. Also, this is younggil's last game (career record: 3-4), and I don't really want to declare him the all-time BW champion...
10/23/01
TheMarine defeats H.O.T-Forever at iTV Hot Battle
Note: Listed as a special event, but weekly broadcast schedule and extant Youtube video implies it was live and broadcast. If it doesn't count, H.O.T holds the title until December!
10/26/01
GARIMTO defeats TheMarine at SKY2001 OSL
11/1/01
nO.1 defeats GARIMTO at 2001 KPGA November
TheMarine defeats nO.1 at 2001 KPGA November
11/21/01
GARIMTO defeats TheMarine at Lord of Best Race.
Note: Again, a special event that seems to meet the requirements. Bo5.
12/7/01
BoxeR defeats GARIMTO at SKY2001 OSL.
Note: I was starting to wonder when he was going to get it...
NOTE: This overlaps with WCG 2001. Boxer won that, of course, but there was a "National Tournament" also held; somehow, Korea went out in the first round. Does anyone know how that worked/who played? I highly doubt Boxer lost, but still...
12/28/01
GARIMTO defeats BoxeR at SKY2001 OSL (in the finals).
Well, that's the end of 2001. I trust you will find my results much more enjoyable then the cold, machine-generated results posted earlier by nimdil. Any BW experts see any issues?
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Bisutopia19396 Posts
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If you started at the first ever OSl I'm guessing it ended up with someone who's playing sc2 or retired. Would be interesting to track the unofficial starcraft world champion if it went to sc2. Or just start with the first ssl champion.
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I'm fine with any list that has Flash on it at least 3 times.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 15 2014 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:Bisu
Should've known that would have been the bump post.
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haha fail patriotism^^
Grrr...
...is actually Canadian
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On April 15 2014 17:31 Piste wrote:haha fail patriotism^^ Grrr... ...is actually Canadian
rofl :D
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On April 15 2014 17:31 Piste wrote:haha fail patriotism^^ Grrr... ...is actually Canadian
Shut up, communist.
U S A.
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On April 15 2014 23:08 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 17:31 Piste wrote:haha fail patriotism^^ Grrr... ...is actually Canadian Shut up, communist. U S A. U S A. U S A. U S A.
id say the only two foreign players to ever get far in OSL happen to be both native french speakers heh (only one else was asmodey and he didnt get past the grp stages)
french 2nd best overall bw language
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Yes but has there ever existed in the history of BW... a good... FRENCH ZERG????
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On April 16 2014 04:30 puppykiller wrote:
Yes but has there ever existed in the history of BW... a good... FRENCH ZERG????
Stephano
GG.
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On April 15 2014 01:15 BisuDagger wrote:Bisu
solid bump
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EPT
