After a beta channel on west garnered enough interest, we at teamliquid have decided to open up a permanent home for our forum members. Here you will be able to game with your fellow forum members in a relaxed environment.
The channel will be moderated with a bot, and has an admin team being set up. The leader of this admin team will be FakeSteve, and he will be recruiting people to help make this channel free from people who ruin fun. We are currently looking for people in Asia, Europe, and North America who are mannered, known, and mature enough to help moderate. Please PM FakeSteve[TPR] if you wish to do so.
Other moderators right now are:
DJetterStyle HnR)Insane Manifesto7
The channel will be a relaxed place to play, but like anything that gets popular on battle.net, it will attract it's fair share of retards. If you use your head and are manner to other people, you will never have a problem. Also, there are other channels where you can idle. As long as you're chatting or gaming you are more than welcome here.
There will be another thread in the BW section, feel free to post reps, game results, and anything else in there.
Please continue the trend of posting results here, as I will update this post with current records Keeping track begins now, so get playing, and post your results! Two points for a win, negative one for a loss. People with the same amount of points will be ranked according to fewest losses. Don't cheat or I'll hunt you down
Theres always a good amount of people in this channel for the people in USA, so if you live in Europe or Asia, don't say "it's empty and nobody every comes here".
Also, if you're not on Battle.net and would like to talk to TL.net people, feel free to logon to IRC and hang in the channel, theres always 22 - 35 people in there at all times. The link is found on the right side of this site.
On April 30 2006 00:51 PuertoRican wrote: Theres always a good amount of people in this channel for the people in USA, so if you live in Europe or Asia, don't say "it's empty and nobody every comes here".
Also, if you're not on Battle.net and would like to talk to TL.net people, feel free to logon to IRC and hang in the channel, theres always 22 - 35 people in there at all times. The link is found on the right side of this site.
sry but atm there is only Bot, Brood[TPR], pix90 and 2 WC guys on^^...this makes 3 bw players....not 2 much )=
On April 30 2006 00:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Please continue the trend of posting results here, as I will update this post with current records Keeping track begins now, so get playing, and post your results! Two points for a win, negative one for a loss. People with the same amount of points will be ranked according to fewest losses. Don't cheat or I'll hunt you down
On April 30 2006 00:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Please continue the trend of posting results here, as I will update this post with current records Keeping track begins now, so get playing, and post your results! Two points for a win, negative one for a loss. People with the same amount of points will be ranked according to fewest losses. Don't cheat or I'll hunt you down
I think I played aphelion twice, but I don't have the rep to prove. I'm just a lying nobo anyway maybe to try and get away with extra points. (I just arranged them by date and counted from my binge days here).
I think I played aphelion twice, but I don't have the rep to prove. I'm just a lying nobo anyway maybe to try and get away with extra points. (I just arranged them by date and counted from my binge days here).
You played me just once, but you owned my friend sureilldoit twice which is probably why you thought you played me twice :p.
OMG LADDER PLZ? >>>idea<<<<< You may only play laddergames with people from people in the tl.net channel, you must save replay so you got proof :p If you already got laddergames played you must state how many etc at tl.net and your desc..
YOu should also register in a simple post here before playing (state your current ladderstats at the same time if you have any)
Your register post should be written with bold so it's easy to find for steve ;p
Keep posting results in the thread and so on.. Would be cool but I dont know
On May 01 2006 03:06 Patriot.dlk wrote: OMG LADDER PLZ? >>>idea<<<<< You may only play laddergames with people from people in the tl.net channel, you must save replay so you got proof :p If you already got laddergames played you must state how many etc at tl.net and your desc..
YOu should also register in a simple post here before playing (state your current ladderstats at the same time if you have any)
Your register post should be written with bold so it's easy to find for steve ;p
Keep posting results in the thread and so on.. Would be cool but I dont know
On May 01 2006 07:54 Mr.Testie wrote: Hey, screw you. I got 82 points. T_T~
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2-0 against Sr18, both PvT on Arcadia 2-0 against NeverEndinStory, both PvZ on Arcadia Added: And 3-2 against, uh, NG-Waste (no idea if he posts on these boards). All PvZ, won on R-Point once and 815 twice, lost twice on Cultivation Period (barf). Added: 0-1 Idra, 0-1 Aca, 2-0 Blind.
uh i cant remember them all but uh... 1-1 rekrul 1-1 strafe 1-0 fayth 2-1 ut)machine 1-0 ever)z(rusty 1-0 )Is(hOb 1-0 OvertLogic 1-0 tA.rAndY 1-0 WingGundam and i can't remember n e more without looking at rep folder t.t
On May 02 2006 14:37 G5 wrote: uh i cant remember them all but uh... 1-1 rekrul 1-1 strafe 1-0 fayth 2-1 ut)machine 1-0 ever)z(rusty 1-0 )Is(hOb 1-0 OvertLogic 1-0 tA.rAndY 1-0 WingGundam and i can't remember n e more without looking at rep folder t.t
what does ever)z(rusty and all have to do with this
I think kicking people out for 900 idle seconds is too much. You're forced to write something even though you might not have anything to say or just watching people having conversation. It should be changed to at least 30 minutes or a hour. It's not like you often see channel packed with 40 people anyway. It's discouraging some people from frequenting tl-west.
On May 03 2006 02:24 1tym wrote: I think kicking people out for 900 idle seconds is too much. You're forced to write something even though you might not have anything to say or just watching people having conversation. It should be changed to at least 30 minutes or a hour. It's not like you often see channel packed with 40 people anyway. It's discouraging some people from frequenting tl-west.
ive been getting that a lot, changed to half an hour
On May 04 2006 02:35 Twisted wrote: I agree with rekrul, I stopped caring after the games that I have on that ladder now :/
It's quite meaningless, and it's a hassle for you to update it steve.
"WE THE UPPER ESCHELON OF BROOD WAR PLAYERS"
its cool to keep track if you arent ToT)Twisted( or Rekrul[pG] and winning games against random TL members is a lot of fun (which it is for most people)
I'm just saying; go with it if you wish, I just find it meaningless (MY OPINION). I'm sure the masses find it great and inspiring. I just love the channel because of the recognition of teamliquid people who you normally only see at the forum and the fun games it gives me (like racewars n stuff).
On May 04 2006 02:51 Twisted wrote: I'm just saying; go with it if you wish, I just find it meaningless (MY OPINION). I'm sure the masses find it great and inspiring. I just love the channel because of the recognition of teamliquid people who you normally only see at the forum and the fun games it gives me (like racewars n stuff).
Same here, I've only played a couple of 1v1s there, most of the games I've played have been far more fun.
i love bw its fun for me some one own me lots plzi suck but the love is there ^_^ and the years 2 T_T wheres my gosuness ehh o well i have to play it no matter what.
First I fend off his bunk rush, then killed his MnM w/ burrowed lings, then he macroed and mauled me over while I attacked rather badly w/ lurk/lings
Second game worst, I got burrow again but then not enough lingies, his MnM ran around my sunken to my main, I burrowed my drones but he's no fool, one scan and BAM, all drones fried. GG.
Fixes: - ovie beacon moved farther into the corner, so lings don't hit it by accident - obs+shuttle combo moved from tier 3 down to tier 2 - added beacon at tier 3 to warp directly back to tier 1 (with 4 selectors) - 3 SCV 2 dropship is now 4 SCV 2 dropship
Maybe because he's a dumbass. Or maybe because he says stuff like this:
Give me your social security number you pussy. You're a pussy if you don't give it to me. I'm going to hire one of my thug homies to rape your ass, videotape it, and post it on-line for $2000. GIVE ME YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER PUSSY!!! Yea I been in jail, lemme tell you homes I am for real
etcetc trademark of every ethug. Only the way he says it is much more slang filled and moronic.
On May 16 2006 22:37 CharlieMurphy wrote: Why was Surfer4Life Banned exactly?
Because he is a fucking retard. Personally my experience with him is that he has a really gay and immature technique for getting people to play him and that is that he infers they are a "pussy" for a good 10-20 minutes before they give in and agree to rape him.
Dont get me wrong he can be a nice guy(Though certainly near braindead for his age) but once you deny him a game he essentially turns into East incarnate and goes nuts. Just the other day he was spamming me for about 10 minutes right when I logged on(Guess he saw me on his F list, which is sad enough that he has me on it)... I didnt bother going into /dnd and just let him waste his breath. It was both funny AND sad, and definitely proved that he is a fucking idiot and doesnt deserve to be in the channel.
There are plenty of fags still left though, dont worry.
One of the admins please host a tourney/event/scrimage..it will save the channel and continue our fun ;> other than that, there seems to be no purpose to going in an empty nothing-happening channel -_-
See, everytime it's like this... we get a TL channal, OMG HYPE! Some good players like Midian or Testie or Drone go there for like once or twice, but they don't really get much out of it beside bits of fun(ppl there are not that skilled see...) And after they leave TL channal to join their own perspective clan channals, the TL channal will die out as more and more people drift out of it.
On May 20 2006 00:21 HappyManRun wrote: See, everytime it's like this... we get a TL channal, OMG HYPE! Some good players like Midian or Testie or Drone go there for like once or twice, but they don't really get much out of it beside bits of fun(ppl there are not that skilled see...) And after they leave TL channal to join their own perspective clan channals, the TL channal will die out as more and more people drift out of it.
Yeah I kinda knew it would happen once they put the bot in. Not a big deal really, fun while it "lasted." But I think the anti-idle bot was just a retarded idea. Sorry if some people couldnt come in at peak hours but jeez, its like its obvious that once you stop letting people idle they wont bother sitting in the channel ever unless other people go in it. BW channels revolve around idle~
Anyone wants to a play some games on WCG maps to get the feel of them? I plan on going this year and want to at least be able to put up a fight. I'm chobo Zerg here waiting in channel id:FetaZerg
edit:ill watch somne rep msg me anyone if interested in the offer
Like, Saturdays and Sundays in the daytime or nighttime. Try adding IntoTheWow, Bill, or anyone else who goes there to your friends list to see if they are already in a game.
On May 19 2006 23:09 [angst]chraej wrote: why dont you have everyone from op cal and x17 join TL's channel... why is x17 on west anyway? they are dead right?
No X17 isn't dead =] we are very live and kicking...
On May 19 2006 22:20 GoGoGo[cF] wrote: Yeah, I was just there recently and I had a similar situation like Teroru.
I can't believe Clan X17 is on WEST???
I was just there too and I was like O_O
Yea most people have the same reaction when they stop by our channel.. Our new channel on west is just an expantion of our East channel with a few improvemts ex: dialy tourny and even better gm.. =] yes you heard right gm is our many and best improvement over on our west channel
On May 18 2006 12:21 dream-_- wrote: no one ever shows up anymore.. and now everyone is in clan x17(yes, on west). Now I am sad =[
If anyone wants to game msg ft.act)t.ooa
Why sad??? Come chill as well X17 has been around for a while and we are going to contiune being round and growing, and with our new attitude on our west channel I don't understand why this would make you sad...
Basically what i'm trying to say X17 on west is a different ball game then East, we are the same team. Just a difference enviorment over on west. i invite you all to come check it otu and prove me wrong.
Yesterday IntoTheWow tried to get people from clan x17 on west to join our TMM game. He returned and said people started flaming him for playing micro maps. Sooo yeah, I think I'll just stick to op tl-west.
On June 04 2006 22:27 Bill307 wrote: Yesterday IntoTheWow tried to get people from clan x17 on west to join our TMM game. He returned and said people started flaming him for playing micro maps. Sooo yeah, I think I'll just stick to op tl-west.
On June 04 2006 22:27 Bill307 wrote: Yesterday IntoTheWow tried to get people from clan x17 on west to join our TMM game. He returned and said people started flaming him for playing micro maps. Sooo yeah, I think I'll just stick to op tl-west.
Was it a X-17 member that was flaming him? I apologize if it was and I would like to know who he was so I can talk to Abbas-X17 about it (Which btw only plays TMA ) As a matter of fact his name should probably be TMA-X17 =] And besides anyone flaming on TMA player should just be ignored. PERIOD…… Anyhow I can’t over see the channel 24/7 nor can any other member/Ops… But flaming/name calling/BM is not tolerated in channel Clan X17…. And I invite anyone else who has complaints about the Channel, member etc to put it out there so that the matter can be taken care of accordingly! -Theory gG
p.s I’m currently looking for 1 or 2 peoples to help me in the tourney side of the clan let me know! Theory-X17 on west
On June 07 2006 19:41 Lycaeus wrote: the post above is a massive joke, kid is talking out of his ass.
Excuse me?? I didn't know I posted a joke, please when posting reference something that makes sense asap thx gG
On June 07 2006 20:26 IcedEarth wrote: No matter what .. NO MATTER WHAT, X17 will always house more losers than any sub-community of starcraft.
if you talking about people who pass by I have no control over them, but GM is maintained in channel. If you’re talking about the members of X17 your saddly mistaken. But everyone is entitled to there opinion even if they are incorrect! =]
Heh heh, speaking of BM... I played "sMi.Salad" yesterday. He accused me of maphack because I knew he scoped my dropship flightplans, so changed it's trajectory. I guess using your brain is suspicious! ^^
On June 09 2006 14:56 Theory-X17 wrote: if you talking about people who pass by I have no control over them, but GM is maintained in channel. If you’re talking about the members of X17 your saddly mistaken. But everyone is entitled to there opinion even if they are incorrect! =]
X17 is pretty known for how dumb it is. I suppose you are new so you havent been around in the last 6 years. It might be a little different now, I dont go there often but it seems somewhat vacant when I do.
Just so you know, Theory, I'm referring to the people allowed in channel, not the members (although the members have, on numerous occasions, outdone the retardation of the non-X17 members).
Every channel on west/east/asia/europe will always encounter some BM passer bys, I mean they are everywhere! And yes i haven't been around Clan X17 or BW long enough to know it's history i'm only 15, but what happened then happened then. Now is now and Clan X17 over on the west server is trying to improve and maintain a good rep where members as well as non members can enjoy a BM free enviroment!
On June 10 2006 20:29 Theory-X17 wrote: Every channel on west/east/asia/europe will always encounter some BM passer bys, I mean they are everywhere! And yes i haven't been around Clan X17 or BW long enough to know it's history i'm only 15, but what happened then happened then. Now is now and Clan X17 over on the west server is trying to improve and maintain a good rep where members as well as non members can enjoy a BM free enviroment!
anyone wanna 1:1 practice? this is my first game of bw in like a year btw so don't be expecting a challenge ~_~ i just returned to bw today :D edit: my sn is SeongChan by the way.. and US WEST
ok im leaving now, one guy was telling me what to do whole game, telling me im slow blah blah, and i got mad and couldn't focus and then this nrg.envy is guy is going "^^" existent is going(The two of them tell me to stfu cuz i told them dont waste units + "its my first time stfu dumbass") BLAH GO 3 FACT BLAH GO DUAL ARMORY GET VALKS HE WENT LURKERS(3 mins later) I TOLD U HE WENT MUTALS UR SLOW ...SCAN..u dont play tvz do U?and im like w/e asshole, said gg, left, man im so fucking tired shouldn't play it this late omfg wtf is wrnog with me...
I'm only going to play with argentinians and canadians from now on -_-; ..Sorry needed a place to vent -.-
Biggest Change: Levelling up. Your points are no longer reset after each level-up until you reach level 6. This weakens the level-up bonus. Example of what would previously happen: Normal levelling, you reach level 4 after 10,000 + 15,000 + 30,000 = 55,000 points With bonus level-up, you reach level 4 after 10,000 + 30,000 = 40,000 points
So the bonus level-up was effectively giving you 15,000 free points! But in v2.9 it no longer has that effect: if you pick the bonus level-up at level 2 to jump to level 3, you will still have to earn the points to reach level 3 (at which point nothing happens because you're already level 3) before you can start earning points to reach level 4.
Furthermore, the points you need to reach each level has mostly been reduced. I'll use cumulative numbers for comparison:
v2.8 - v2.9 To get level 2: 10,000 - 10,000 To get level 3: 25,000 - 20,000 To get level 4: 55,000 - 50,000 To get level 5: 100,000 - 80,000 To get level 6: 160,000 - 140,000 To get level 7: 250,000 - 200,000
and then you get additional bonuses every: 100,000 - 75,000
Other Changes: - main has 9 minerals and both nats have 7 (previously 10 and 6) - the 1000 min/gas bonus now gives 12 workers as well - level-up sound effect now plays correctly (before there was no sound at all ) - level-up messages tell you to look for your bonus selector in the bottom-right - spawn point respawn moved a little farther away from the builder's hatch/CC/nexus, so that it is less likely to get stuck between buildings
Lastly, I figure people might be curious about how many points each unit is worth. Note that I CANNOT change these values in the map! Using Arsenal III, here are the point values of each Tier 1 unit as well as a Tier 2 and a Tier 3 unit:
Overlord: 200 pts (set of 1 = 200 pts) Zergling: 50 pts (set of 6 = 300 pts) Marine: 100 pts (set of 4 = 400 pts) Zealot: 200 pts (set of 2 = 400 pts) Firebat: 200 pts (set of 3 = 600 pts) Medic: 250 pts (set of 3 = 750 pts) Dragoon: 500 pts (set of 2 = 1000 pts) Hydralisk: 350 pts (set of 3 = 1050 pts)
Notice: you need to kill 200 zerglings or 20 dragoons to go from level 1 to 2. That's why, if you pick goons or hydras, you had better make sure you don't lose too many!
Vulture: 150 pts (set of 5 = 750 pts) Mutalisk: 600 pts (set of 4 = 2400 pts) Wraith: 800 pts (set of 4 = 3200 pts)
Notice: you need to kill 12 wraiths (9600 pts) and a bit to go from level 1 or 2 to level 2 or 3.
Reaver: 800 pts (set of 4 + 2 shuttles = 4000 pts) Carrier: 1900 pts (set of 3 = 5700 pts) Battlecruiser: 2400 pts (set of 3 = 7200 pts)
There was also one game where we had it won for sure, yet we didn't win . Hopefully no one saved it, because it was a horrible goback (literally!) on our part .
Wtf, When you left, I don't know what I did, but when I came back to B.net, there was Bill and Mushu there, we played on Bill's new map, and then they both logged off.
You logged off way too early, you little little girl. T_T!
Bill refuses to turn his map into a boring, no-rush-5-minutes, newbie-friendly map.
New (but otherwise skilled) players lose for 2 reasons: 1. They do not know and fail to anticipate many of the strategies and tactics that we use. 2. Both teams are vulnerable right from the start (versus "no rush 5 minutes").
To make the map easier for newcomers, I would have to cut back in both of these areas which would make the game much less fun for experienced players.
Actually, new TMM players *do* have an option to keep themselves from being annihilated in the beginning: play defensively until the builder can defend himself. Additionally, before starting the game we can try to set up fair teams and dodge this issue altogether.
StarCraft is 100x worse than TMM when newbies play experts, and I think we are all very happy that Blizzard kept it that way. Honestly, if a game is NOT an autoloss for a new player versus an expert, then that game sucks.
That was just one of the ideas I gave. It doesn't have to be nr5 mins (and I actually said make peons invincible for 5 mins, you can still attack the other teams units/cannons).
The BEST suggestion I gave, though, was to put a 4th cannon in the mineral line. That way you have a little more defense against lings or bats in the mineral line being sneaked, especially if builder shows some decent peon micro to protect the cannon (which in turn protects the peons).
As it stands now, one of the microers spawns 2 cannons, while the other spawns one. Why not just make both players spawn 2 cannons?
ive played tons of TMM and the only problem developing is that its really difficult to level up the first time because the regulars are good enough now that the builder gets powerful fairly quickly
On July 02 2006 13:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: ive played tons of TMM and the only problem developing is that its really difficult to level up the first time because the regulars are good enough now that the builder gets powerful fairly quickly
I've noticed this happening in games where both builders fast expand.
In games where one or both builders make units early on (e.g. to counter a fast expand) the level-ups come at a pretty good time.
Actually, I've been playing as an offensive builder recently and it seems to beat fast-expanding builders (e.g. I stopped a forge expo strat with 2 gate zeal, although we lost that game in the end T_T). So maybe fast expand strats will die out in the end.
Maybe I could lower level 2 from 10,000 pts to 9,000 pts to try to achieve a balance between the two? Thoughts?
On July 02 2006 13:51 Aileon wrote: The BEST suggestion I gave, though, was to put a 4th cannon in the mineral line. That way you have a little more defense against lings or bats in the mineral line being sneaked, especially if builder shows some decent peon micro to protect the cannon (which in turn protects the peons).
As it stands now, one of the microers spawns 2 cannons, while the other spawns one. Why not just make both players spawn 2 cannons?
Hmm...
It would make lings, zeals, and firebats less effective, while ranged units would still be pretty much just as powerful. I think this seems fair, given that dragoons and hydras are worth an incredible number of points.
I think I'll give it a shot and see what happens. If the games are less fun then I can always undo it later.
I think one good thing would be to change cannon placement. Stacking peons to defend cannons is really hard because they are out of mineral path.
I know lings are coming and i try to block, but builders are dumb and i cant move them or stack them because they get stuck with each other. So my request is to change the front cannon to in between the mineral line (like you do with a sunk as Z in 2v2 or w/e).
That would make harrasing funnier.
And level 3 (wraith etc) is just too strong imho. Wraiths need to start with 50 energy, so its not a cloack fest but the microer actually selecting when to claock, and when to save energy. The rest is fine i think.
That was insane O_O. Several times I was 95% sure we were going to lose: we had no defense, ~6 probes, and their builder was in perfect condition with a formidable zeal/goon army.
It was definitely a team effort, though. It annoys me when people think they've lost and just stop trying, because then you miss out on some of the most satisfying (and surprising) SC games.
And yeah, I think I'm going to keep the map as-is for now .
On July 03 2006 10:11 Bill307 wrote: That was insane O_O. Several times I was 95% sure we were going to lose: we had no defense, ~6 probes, and their builder was in perfect condition with a formidable zeal/goon army.
It was definitely a team effort, though. It annoys me when people think they've lost and just stop trying, because then you miss out on some of the most satisfying (and surprising) SC games.
And yeah, I think I'm going to keep the map as-is for now .
On July 03 2006 11:23 Mr.Testie wrote: That is why I almost never leave when I am getting wanked around. Fighting uphill is more fun. =]
Yep, its even more satisfying when they trash talk the entire game.
Heh, I remember when they had Testie's probes on the run in our comeback game, Jumper (whoever he was) said "gg" before we did and I was thinking "-_-".
Hi um... I made a funny micro map, I'm waiting in op tl-west now, can someone come and try it out? I need 5 people but we can always pubby to get more. I just need around 2 ppl or so then we're good to go. Can someone help me out?
Msg: "happymanrun" if I'm not in channal.
Much love~
P.S. It is 21:41 TL time, I'll be there till 22:00
I played someone on TL.net, I won. Does it count toward op TL.net rating system or I had to play a match where both player agreed that it will count on TL.net rating system. Sorry for my fucked up sentence
On July 14 2006 23:09 BalloonFight wrote: GG's guys.
Bills reaver micro is out of this world. o_o
GGs. Heh, thanks. Next time you should bring your goons in closer so that you can shoot down the shuttle when it flies in to pick up the reaver. You have to make it hard for me to guess whether you're going to focus on my shuttle or my reaver .
The "intotherainbow pickup" vs the spider mines was sheer luck though O_O.
On July 14 2006 23:09 BalloonFight wrote: GG's guys.
Bills reaver micro is out of this world. o_o
GGs. Heh, thanks. Next time you should bring your goons in closer so that you can shoot down the shuttle when it flies in to pick up the reaver. You have to make it hard for me to guess whether you're going to focus on my shuttle or my reaver .
The "intotherainbow pickup" vs the spider mines was sheer luck though O_O.
Hehe, I was the obs that game. You know my pro micro woulda got at least the shuttle.
And we need more noobs at the op scs! I'm tired of the rapage, maybe i'll get raped less if i'm raped by somebody else who usually gets raped and is tired of that... Or if you just want to learn Swedish, op scs is a nice place to start
On July 22 2006 00:53 HungZerg wrote: Another great comeback game tonight. Our ally left because it seemed hopeless. But Bill and I pulled through. Har, another set of gg's! TMM rules. =]
I'm still left agasp at how purple had < 10k after 40 minutes. lol
Well, I had an interesting night. From my MSN to my friend:
Bill says: see, you know the washing machine outpipe, that you're supposed to secure against a tub to let the water empty into the tub after each cycle? well, our landlord secured it with duct tape and left it like that for at least 3 months.
tonight it fell off and onto the floor.
Bill says: the washing machine tried to refill itself, but the water simply ran out of the pipe and onto the floor, causing a flood. when I found it, the water was over 5 cm deep at the deepest parts.
the drain on the floor beside the washing machine got clogged with the lint that everyone leaves on the floor from the dryer.
Bill says: so I bailed water and dried stuff for 40 minutes. the carpet is still soaked and I don't think I can do anything about that. I'm going to sleep now. the landlord is obviously going to blame me. but the fact is, she used duct tape to permanently secure a pipe in a wet environment, so this disaster was inevitable. heck, it could have been even worse.
Bill says: fun fun. goodnight.
(by the way, it's a damn good thing I didn't start playing TMM tonight, or else God knows when I would have discovered the flood)
Someone come 2v2 me and Blackjack. We've got 6 weeks of rust on us. Luna/Arena/Artist preferred, but we'll play any map. We're t/z. Zia[TPR] and BlackJack[TPR].
maybe i m becoming annoying by posting were i should not..but i dunno how to create a new topic...me >,< i ve lost my original cd key ! my mom will suffer ! what now ? i really tought that i had it....so i formated my pc...i wanna play wgtour ! what can i do ?
On August 05 2006 02:20 deus_073 wrote: maybe i m becoming annoying by posting were i should not..but i dunno how to create a new topic...me >,< i ve lost my original cd key ! my mom will suffer ! what now ? i really tought that i had it....so i formated my pc...i wanna play wgtour ! what can i do ?
: ) yeah... so ... a lot of my cdz are gone...it s not misplaced,it s in the dumpster probably... really..i can t get my cd back and these mofo s won t give me any money to buy a new one... so that s really not on option...i know it s pretty cheap but...i really don t have even 10 $...broke motherfucker..
On August 05 2006 05:11 deus_073 wrote: : ) yeah... so ... a lot of my cdz are gone...it s not misplaced,it s in the dumpster probably... really..i can t get my cd back and these mofo s won t give me any money to buy a new one... so that s really not on option...i know it s pretty cheap but...i really don t have even 10 $...broke motherfucker..
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Download it.
Hey when is the next playday?. I don't know if I can get online tonight, but will try hard to do so .
Anybody~~~~~~~~~ Game now? It's 7:52 TL time. I may be up and walkin round my apartment so AIM - A Drunken Seoul Now go and play me somebody. 1:1 of course. I don't care if I lose or win.... it's one of those - I have to play days.
I will be on as HilaryMcDuff or LindseyMcLohan. PGT has been lagging INSANELY for me. I blame it on PP or the launcher.... no clue. so I don't PGT........
On August 09 2006 12:11 SuperJongMan wrote: Anybody game now?
I will be on as HilaryMcDuff or LindseyMcLohan. PGT has been lagging INSANELY for me. I blame it on PP or the launcher.... no clue. so I don't PGT........
Play meeeeeeeeeee ANYONE
Their CPU usage is up in like the 90's again, and it happends always around the season ending, so it might be for that. When it reaches the 90's starts to lag like a bitch ;p.
Anyone play with me?? Fackin.... I just lost my wallet and I gotta free stress since I have no money to go anywhere and I just cancelled my checkcard twice in one week.
Bump. Tried playing Twilight Struggle single player. Stopped after 30 minutes seeing as how my bases were slowly shrinking whenever I attacked =/. Need better unit combo, methinks.
Bill307, do you think it would be possible to make a TMM like map on a map like Luna or LT? With bigger unit choices for the micro players probably, since it will turn into a macro fest. What do you think?
Yeah, it's definitely possible. But it'd take time to recreate LT or Luna in a larger size (so that there is room to pick units and such), then copy over the triggers (which at least requires me to redo all the location info in the triggers).
But, would it really be that much more fun? There would be only one way to attack each person's base, for example: up the ramp. So there wouldn't be much incentive to play offensively .
By the way, a bunch of ppl and I are in op tl-west right now...!
Bill, take a map with two entrances to the main, like one of the newer style maps, although I can't think of one thats balanced right now (pioneer is the only one that comes to mind), and put the tmm flavor into that.
On August 27 2006 13:29 In)Spire wrote: Gosh when am i gunna b a zergling T.T
It's time+posts that give you a new icon. Going FA wont really help you since you just joined. Posting a few words about all liquibet games wont do any good either. Watch out or you might just end up with a nuke icon instead of a cute little ling.
-_-? ??????????/ Hello?? I'm calling your asses~ Someone have some courtesy and play me. HARDCORE! I skipped school cuz I'm feigning ill because I forgot some homework.
EDIT- Thx to Idra and Bunny who came out to relieve my school day off.
Changes: - Moved cannons so that they don't block gas. Zerg can build sunkens for defense more easily as well. - You get pinged constantly for selector lings. This way, if some of them don't go to the beacon by accident, you will notice it easily. - You get pinged 5 times when a bonus appears. - You get warned when you have only 1 life left. - At the start of the game, your view is centred on the suicide zealots and you are reminded to hotkey them.
I'm in "op smi." right now. We need someone to host TMM for us T_T.
Team Micro Melee upgraded to 3.5 Download (edit: had crucial bug t.t)
Changes: o Bringing any of the special units into the play area (selectors, etc.) will kill them and all of your other units as well. o Improved most of the non-level-up bonus choices, since no one ever seemed to use them early on (unless they didn't know about the level-up bonus ). Now I think they are on-par with the level-up bonus even in the early stages of the game.
Hello.... I hope this is a good thread for this... I'm Tadzio on US-West. I took about a 3 year break from SC and now I'm a reborn addict. I used to play Terran, but I thought I'd try and go Zerg this time around. Anywho... I suck again. lol. My APM is averaging 49 atm, I cream the comp and I get slaughtered in 1v1 and 2v2 games (my battle.net record is 1-3 now). I could use a training partner if anyone's interested. I'm most worried about ZvT, but I need work on all matchups. I'm pretty bad right now, so I won't be too choosy about how skilled you are. Send me a /w!
On October 19 2006 12:58 ))(())(( wrote: what are peak hours guys? please include timezone. i stopped by a few days ago around 10 pm est there was like 2 idles ;p
The channel reporter at the top left of the screen is lying! it says there is only 1 person in channel, but there are at least 12 poeple in channel at the moment and there have been for the last half hour or so!
On October 28 2006 00:22 GrandInquisitor wrote: that was funny game mani xD
was i really bm?
You're always bm ^^
=(
I am only bm to people that bm me. IE saying 'gg' to me when I'm losing, or continuing to scout my base with his overlord after he was eliminated but we kept his pool alive and refusing to unvision his ally AGH
On October 28 2006 23:03 BalloonFight wrote: GG's today everyone. FunFluffyBunny did a cool 1v2 ;p. The tmm games were great also. If anyones on tomorrow, lets play.
-_______________________________________________________-;; Me and Blind refuse to acknowledge that game ever happened.
For those who aren't aware, StarEdit thinks all the unit and building defaults are from patch 1.04 -_-;;. And so it reset all the units and buildings to 1.04. Some things, like goons having the same build time as zealots, have been wrong since before version 2.0 .
Anyway, I've restored all the unit and building properties back to 1.08.
Also, the infested terran bonus now gives you 8 infesteds.
On November 04 2006 20:11 zulu_nation8 wrote: whoever surfer4life is youre a fucking idiot
Yea, hes some kid who only plays bgh, and hunters, and thinks hes pro. He believes hes going to win this coming wcg. He sad and only MMs and tank vs p and z. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
On November 12 2006 16:27 evanthebouncy~ wrote: Bill make the enemy mass retreat last longer plz >_>
Hmm.... actually I think I will do that . But leave mass attack the same time, since it's more... painful.
Also, while working on TMM II (upgrades; comsats; bigger map ), I realized it's actually pretty easy to move the yellow player to the neutral (12th) player and then have 2 obs spots . I'm thinking of rearranging the cannons again, too. All stuff to do for TMM 3.9 I guess .
Changes: o There are now TWO(!!) observer spots. o The 2000 min/gas + 12 worker bonus now gives only 1200 min/gas. o Invincibility, mass attack, and mass retreat bonuses now show a countdown timer. o Mass retreat lasts twice as long.
I have NOT tested this map yet. Hopefully it does not suffer from the same no-cannons bug as v3.9 .
(by the way, I can't make the cannons start off as player 1 or 2, because those players are User Selectable race and so all their units and buildings will be removed at the start =/ )
OK, time to start keeping track of these fags who afk in the middle of TMM. (and if you have to go somewhere then at least say something and don't just afk silently -_-;; )
Okay, I know there were a couple of other people who did this. I'll start the list later, I guess, next time it happens =P.
On November 19 2006 15:10 Bill307 wrote: OK, time to start keeping track of these fags who afk in the middle of TMM. (and if you have to go somewhere then at least say something and don't just afk silently -_-;; )
1. LastRomantic
I'm so sorry about that T-T
I thought I said afk, but I guess I didn't hit enter or something? And when I came back it was just on end screen.
Bot is down until I have power at my house. I don't know if anyone actually heard about it, but there was a big wind storm in washington state. I havent had power since thursday evening. I dont know how long it will be until I do have power, as a matter of fact. I think roughly 170000 customers are currently out of power. At the peak it was ~1.1 million. My parents (where I'm staying--I'm writing this from the library of a city I don't live in) live in one of the worst damaged areas, powerline wise. I'm hoping we have power wednesday, but realitistically it may not be until thursday or friday.
Bill if you read this - I'd like more room for my macro-toss gates please =( Also, why does Zerg start with so many overlords and the other races don't start out with 25 supply?
But man, is that map fun. After the shortest game ever (when our team just walked straight to the base and destroyed the hatch), we had this ridiculous 40minute game consisting of me being as gay as possible ZvP and finishing with ultrahydra.
On December 18 2006 15:53 GrandInquisitor wrote: Bill if you read this - I'd like more room for my macro-toss gates please =( Also, why does Zerg start with so many overlords and the other races don't start out with 25 supply?
But man, is that map fun. After the shortest game ever (when our team just walked straight to the base and destroyed the hatch), we had this ridiculous 40minute game consisting of me being as gay as possible ZvP and finishing with ultrahydra.
From what I've seen, Zerg only starts off with one Overlord, being the hero unit. I assumed this was because Zerg players would have a lot of trouble with the microers on the other team picking off their weaker Ov's at the start, making it impossible for the Z player to ever build up.
On December 18 2006 15:53 GrandInquisitor wrote: Bill if you read this - I'd like more room for my macro-toss gates please =( Also, why does Zerg start with so many overlords and the other races don't start out with 25 supply?
But man, is that map fun. After the shortest game ever (when our team just walked straight to the base and destroyed the hatch), we had this ridiculous 40minute game consisting of me being as gay as possible ZvP and finishing with ultrahydra.
that game was 1 minute 58 seconds i think. and the team was acutally eliminated?
On December 18 2006 15:53 GrandInquisitor wrote: Bill if you read this - I'd like more room for my macro-toss gates please =( Also, why does Zerg start with so many overlords and the other races don't start out with 25 supply?
But man, is that map fun. After the shortest game ever (when our team just walked straight to the base and destroyed the hatch), we had this ridiculous 40minute game consisting of me being as gay as possible ZvP and finishing with ultrahydra.
that game was 1 minute 58 seconds i think. and the team was acutally eliminated?
yeah haha. it was so short it wasn't saved in bwchart and we didn't get a 'victory'
On December 21 2006 23:58 GrandInquisitor wrote: I refuse to play TMM EVER AGAIN until those fucking dumbass mass attack/retreat/invincibility things are removed
god. with no skill at all you can instantly cripple an opponent doing 10x better than you
lol what happened?
no none of those will cripple an opponent doing 10x better. mass attack = he kills you asap. mass retreat = he has to spend some time putting his workers back. invincibility = I have never seen anyone cripple the winning opponent with this, but it would be really cool if they did .
and considering some of the other things they can get instead, I don't think it's overpowered. but if you can show us people abusing it then I'll reconsider .
On December 21 2006 23:58 GrandInquisitor wrote: I refuse to play TMM EVER AGAIN until those fucking dumbass mass attack/retreat/invincibility things are removed
god. with no skill at all you can instantly cripple an opponent doing 10x better than you
lol what happened?
no none of those will cripple an opponent doing 10x better. mass attack = he kills you asap. mass retreat = he has to spend some time putting his workers back. invincibility = I have never seen anyone cripple the winning opponent with this, but it would be really cool if they did .
and considering some of the other things they can get instead, I don't think it's overpowered. but if you can show us people abusing it then I'll reconsider .
start an attack => invincibility for so long (it lasts a while beyond the counter) => half our troops dying. it's like casting a 20second stasis on half the troops while the other half just dies
in the last attack, choosing mass retreat caused a huge pileup at our nexus. my base design that made for awesomezorz unit production efficiency just led to everything being trapped around my nexus unable to get out.
suffice to say they was fighting our units one by one and destroying the whole infrastructure, while simultaneously having fun raping our expoes
i just think they're dumb things that would be considered ludicrous if blizzard included them in melee. TMM is a good skill-based game otherwise, but including those just makes it cheesy like so many other lame UMS
i don't think i have a rep. but my base looked something like this (i was on the right)
gate, pylon, nexus, assim
....G P G P.......A G P G P.......N G P G P ....G P
units going back got back fine, but units coming out either had to attack-move (which meant they were stalled by my units in my choke stopping to fire) or manually move (which got them raped anyway)
GrandInquisitor maybe you should plan your base layout better then If it's strong due to your base layout, try using a different one. Personally, I've never seen that bonus be worthwhile.
T_T i think i was 130+ psi, and that undoubtedly made a difference. coupled with the fact that they were attacking at the same time, and i think it's a pretty strong bonus regardless of base layout
besides, units would have caught up on each other anyway. bw pathfinding ftl =(
oh come on gi give us some credit our use of those spells were sick, we planned it out and timed it - invincibility to mass retreat as soon as we saw you choose a hero (meaning you wouldn't be able to stop it)
if intentionally planned out (my microers chose units that could deal damage quickly in invincibility) and coupled with luck (your base layout, you not expecting it at all) i think it can be 'imbalanced,' but by themselves i doubt they can do that much damage (or at least not more than a pair of hero dark archons, danimoth, kerrigan, etc)
you're just complaining about losing that one game. i doubt you'll see someone pick those spells over the standard hero very often. if you had watched too, your microers wasted their own heroes that could have also done a lot more damage.
(and you weren't doing 10x better. i never pvp and so we were behind but not as badly as you'd like to think. both at one base, were we?)
Early on, the game was definitely not in favor of either team. The two macro'er (intrigue and GI) were roughly on equal playing field. GI's team had more of an advantage in terms of Zlot10Million being constantly in first place for points than GI's macro compared to AELLYN's macro. In the end, I think most of us got tired and intrigue's team made better use of the level bonuses.
But more importantly, it's one game... totally not worth complaining about. TMM acts two fold: to help improve micro and more importantly, to be a fun UMS. TMM is not a tool to measure skill, so try not to say we played 10 times worse than you.
If anything, I can comfortably say intrigue, geometry, and I lucked out in the end. GI and his team had blocked intrigue's attempts to expand and we realized that selecting to get a few heroes would not turn the game in our favor. So we settled to do invincibility at the end, attack, and hope for the best in our micro ability. But in my dumb, yet serendipitous choice, my civilian landed on the "mass retreat" ability and we actually won as a result.
Most TMM games don't even last that long for people to get "mass attack", "mass retreat", "invincibility". I would say Bill has done a very good job balancing the earlier bonuses. These late game bonuses, most people don't even reach (this game was my first time), so say less about the balance and just have fun with the abilities and the game itself.
could someone explain the rules of this ums to me? i see that there are two players who play an almost normal melee game against each other then there are only micro players? or what
On December 26 2006 15:14 freelander wrote: could someone explain the rules of this ums to me? i see that there are two players who play an almost normal melee game against each other then there are only micro players? or what
Yeah the other micro and get points so they get better units.
On December 26 2006 14:58 freelander wrote: neoillusions this rep is bigger then 2 megabytes :D alltime sc record
Yah, I have all the PenguinPlug features turned on and the game was over an hour long I think. T_T;
Best part was how this was after the 1:30 game that ended when our side picked pure goon in a ZvZ and just took out the hatchery immediately. No dancing around, no maneuvering - just moving straight across the map and attacking the buildings.
On December 26 2006 19:51 intrigue wrote: aw crap neo now everyone can see how shitty my macro is =((( i just watched it, i think we actually were up going into the last battle
What about everyone seeing me and my even worse macro? =(
So apparently I forgot to change most of the 1.07 defaults in TMM II . E.g. zealots with 80/80 hp/shield, dragoons building as fast as zealots, 150 min spawning pool, and 100 min turret. All of these have now been fixed in TMM II v0.7 . By the way, I made scouts cost 250/125 and build in 70 time instead of 275/125 with 80 build time (for comparison, corsairs build in 40).
In addition, I believe I have fixed the comsat bonus and the invincibility bug .
For the comsats, you should start with 3 but they will be stuck at 0 mana until you pick the comsat bonus, at which point they will be given 200 mana and will regenerate mana normally. If someone would be so kind as to actually try it and let me know if it works, I would be thankful .
On December 31 2006 11:26 Bill307 wrote: So apparently I forgot to change most of the 1.07 defaults in TMM II . E.g. zealots with 80/80 hp/shield, dragoons building as fast as zealots, 150 min spawning pool, and 100 min turret. All of these have now been fixed in TMM II v0.7 . By the way, I made scouts cost 250/125 and build in 70 time instead of 275/125 with 80 build time (for comparison, corsairs build in 40).
In addition, I believe I have fixed the comsat bonus and the invincibility bug .
For the comsats, you should start with 3 but they will be stuck at 0 mana until you pick the comsat bonus, at which point they will be given 200 mana and will regenerate mana normally. If someone would be so kind as to actually try it and let me know if it works, I would be thankful .
You should make it one comsat with 1 energy scans. I MIGHT consider getting it then. MAYBE
On December 31 2006 11:26 Bill307 wrote: So apparently I forgot to change most of the 1.07 defaults in TMM II . E.g. zealots with 80/80 hp/shield, dragoons building as fast as zealots, 150 min spawning pool, and 100 min turret. All of these have now been fixed in TMM II v0.7 . By the way, I made scouts cost 250/125 and build in 70 time instead of 275/125 with 80 build time (for comparison, corsairs build in 40).
In addition, I believe I have fixed the comsat bonus and the invincibility bug .
For the comsats, you should start with 3 but they will be stuck at 0 mana until you pick the comsat bonus, at which point they will be given 200 mana and will regenerate mana normally. If someone would be so kind as to actually try it and let me know if it works, I would be thankful .
Haha, I was wondering why it was 150 pool for the longest time.
I actually picked comsat as my 1st bonus twice and won both games . It's quite useful and makes enemy wraiths useless. Next game I got vessels vs zerg and we won again! NO MORE LEVEL UP BONUSES FOR ME!
You know, considering how many people are logged on tl.net i'd expect to see more than the same 20-30 people running in and out of tl-west all the time.
On January 10 2007 14:07 ToT)Testie( wrote: You know, considering how many people are logged on tl.net i'd expect to see more than the same 20-30 people running in and out of tl-west all the time.
Don't you guys ever play?
I would almost say that less than 1/4 of TL.net plays regularly. (As in boots up SC at least once a week to play a game online)
On January 10 2007 16:48 BeSiGeR wrote: i come in from time to time asking 1v1, people are afk or just dont like me props to andytime for playing with me
yea, a lot of afkers ;p. i only play nites usually
On January 10 2007 16:48 BeSiGeR wrote: i come in from time to time asking 1v1, people are afk or just dont like me props to andytime for playing with me
I don't play much by way of 1v1, but we play lots of other games in TL-West which you are welcome to play, such as: BGH RW Random micro TMM and more recently, some Mini Starcraft (kind of imba, but it's fun anyway).
On January 10 2007 18:19 kroko wrote: too many afk'ers, make bot kick ppl who r afk....
Then what happens with a channel is that anytime its "off hours" absolutely no one is in the channel and it kills shit eventually.
And despite some people being truly afk, I think a lot of dudes are on and just happen to alt+tab to check channel a few times an hour. Thats what I do at least.
On January 12 2007 15:03 Bill307 wrote: Man I suck at SF3:3s but it's okay because it's TMM TIME BABY!
EX-Phase Disruptor gogo!
Just pick Chun Li and win. Turtle that shit down. ;p
Gotta be able to chain supers into combos first =P. Chun Li is really annoying though. I was playing a guy who was quite good. He would kara-throw me repeatedly in the corner with Chun (i.e. cancel a kick into a throw giving him super gay cheater range with his throw =P). But he was cool to play against: he let me practice pulling off moves and combos before finishing me off .
In both versions, I increased the amount of resources the builders get for kills by 25%: 2/1 min/gas for every 30 pts, e.g. 1 dragoon gives 32/16 min/gas, and 1 BC gives 160/80 min/gas. I also fixed a small bug where you sometimes received less gas than you should have for your kills.
In the Hyper BGH version, the level ups are now at 6k, 12k, 30k, 48k, 84k, 120k, 156k, then every 45k (so you level up 25% faster than in the normal version).
Soyu you can always look me up SpoR on west. We can play some more BB or whatever.
Also has anyone played Double Random De yet? Its new map and its really fucking hard. I'm down to play that with anyone cause noobs always die and I can never finish a game.
Hey i am new on this site and i was wondering a few things....
1- Just out of curiosity are the pro gamers from korea like Yellow , Nada , Stork etc... play on battle.net or any special emulated battle.net or do they hang out in specific channels ?
2- how do you make a New Topic on the forums , i cant find anything so far.
On March 22 2008 13:02 Kharr wrote: Hey i am new on this site and i was wondering a few things....
1- Just out of curiosity are the pro gamers from korea like Yellow , Nada , Stork etc... play on battle.net or any special emulated battle.net or do they hang out in specific channels ?
2- how do you make a New Topic on the forums , i cant find anything so far.
On March 22 2008 13:02 Kharr wrote: Hey i am new on this site and i was wondering a few things....
1- Just out of curiosity are the pro gamers from korea like Yellow , Nada , Stork etc... play on battle.net or any special emulated battle.net or do they hang out in specific channels ?
2- how do you make a New Topic on the forums , i cant find anything so far.
On March 22 2008 13:02 Kharr wrote: Hey i am new on this site and i was wondering a few things....
1- Just out of curiosity are the pro gamers from korea like Yellow , Nada , Stork etc... play on battle.net or any special emulated battle.net or do they hang out in specific channels ?
2- how do you make a New Topic on the forums , i cant find anything so far.
1. The Progamers play each other on their training camps using Lan, they very rarely come to b.net unless its for a television show like IloveStar. 2. I'm not sure how it works, but you have to be a member for a while before you can make threads.
On March 22 2008 13:02 Kharr wrote: Hey i am new on this site and i was wondering a few things....
1- Just out of curiosity are the pro gamers from korea like Yellow , Nada , Stork etc... play on battle.net or any special emulated battle.net or do they hang out in specific channels ?
2- how do you make a New Topic on the forums , i cant find anything so far.
Maybe not those progamers, but sometimes you'll see one idling in the clan channel or something. iCCup has a fair bit of progamer smurfs.
I reallyyyyyyy wanna play. I shoulda posted in the high thread but iccup never works for me. ANDDDDDD i wanna play like 30 games straight so....... anyone PLZ PLZ msg HnR)SoYu @ West.
This is the biggest bump (11 Year bump lol) that I have ever done, I was preparing to make a new thread but I found this thread and I feel like it is a better idea to just bump this one.
Op TL-West Rebirth
Op TL-West was a staple of the Foreign BW Community back in the day, right now until the (Potential) syncing of servers as Blizzard previously stated they are considering, many people have shown interest in bringing this community Hub back to life, and this time with people not just AFKing and idling. (LOL @ anyone who remembers that.)
Another reason I decided not create a new thread and bump this one is because Manifesto7 made it, and it is a pretty good OP, if it would be possible to update it that would be great (Message to MOD's)
Op TL-West Channel plans
- At first the channel will be starting as a community hub as it used to be back in the golden days, a place to chat, chill in between games, find games, receive coaching, AFK / idle (lol), and in the near future, hosting in house 8-16-32 man tournaments daily for fun / practice, and of course the ever popular Play / Observe games.
-This will also be a great way for up and coming newer players to find friends to play with and really get the sense of Team Liquid Foreign Brood war community that we used to have.
- Channel : Op TL-West - Server : USWEST - 24/7 active channel, request access to bot for ability to mail other users, or moderation - Rebirthing the Team Liquid Community hub channel we all know and love, and you're unaware of what Op TL-West used to be, read through this old but still great nostalgic wonderful thread.
EPT
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Keeping track begins now, so get playing, and post your results! Two points for a win, negative one for a loss. People with the same amount of points will be ranked according to fewest losses. Don't cheat or I'll hunt you down 
for non-zulu warriors.
Ahh nm, i'll do it for ya.
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