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TelecoM
United States10687 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
This response is nothing other than illogical and self-destructive. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On December 17 2012 06:31 puppykiller wrote: I just realized something. Why the fuck does anyone care that match fixing is going on in SSL? It's a bunch of ex-pros and amitures tossing games to disqualify themselves from being able to win any prize money. Unlike the Kespa match-fixing scandal, It has absolutely no effect on a sponsored team, or a sponsored anyone for that matter. No person or company in any way shape or form is getting hurt. The only harm that comes from match-fixing in an individual tourney with no sponsored players is through bad press (people over-reacting) that encourages an irrational and silly bandwagon response of anguish and defeatism. This response is nothing other than illogical and self-destructive. you need sponsors to help contribute prizes/money. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On December 17 2012 06:31 puppykiller wrote: Unlike the Kespa match-fixing scandal, It has absolutely no effect on a sponsored team, or a sponsored anyone for that matter. No person or company in any way shape or form is getting hurt. sponsored Sonic? | ||
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Plissken_2097
Spain628 Posts
On December 17 2012 06:31 puppykiller wrote: The only harm that comes from match-fixing in an individual tourney with no sponsored players is through bad press (people over-reacting) that encourages an irrational and silly bandwagon response of anguish and defeatism. There's a lot of harm from a fan point of view, knowing that the player you're rooting for may throw games away randomly. That's pretty dishearteaning on the least. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
Now lets think about sponsoring in regards to the SSL. If a player does drop games, nothing happens. That player losses. No ones image is affected other than that of the players, and all that changes is that his reputation diminishes slightly. The reason people are throwing a hissy fit is because Sonic is throwing a hissy fit, because he heard that there was a possibility of match-fixing, and drew the inaccurate conclusion that match-fixing in the SSL was somehow analogous to the match-fixing that transpired in Kespa leagues, and should be dealt with in the same manner. The part of this situation that frustrates me the most is the fact that Sonic felt some sort of a civic obligation to publicize the rumor and react intensely to it by shutting down his own tourney. As if Kim Carrier's quote about match-fixers being comparable to child molesters made some kind of silly association in Sonic's mind that gave him the motivation to suspend the tourney on spot so as if to keep the terrible child-molesting match-fixers from molesting his beautiful and pure tournament of Broodwar. If I was Sonic I would have: A) Kept my mouth shut for the time being B) Waited for the tourney to conclude C) Then gone public with the rumors that I had heard D) Begin coming up with a plan on how to prevent match-fixing in the future, and make it a communal effort to expunge future match-fixing E) Not been an emotional cry baby during the whole process F) Not promoted the following silly and noneffective popular viewpoints: 1: Match-fixers = evil child-molesting people who should die. 2: BW is a cute and innocent child that the match-fixers just want to molest. Wherever there is BW, the child molesters will come. 3. Any reaction to match-fixing indications other than crying and raging about how mean the child-molesters are supports the molestation. 4. If there is even the slightest chance that BW might get molested it should never ever happen again. 5. Neither I nor anyone else who shared my sentiments of doom and defeat had anything to do with the death of BW, it was exclusively those child-molesting match-fixers faults. I guess we will instead have to go and watch other games that we don't like as much because maybe they won't get molested because they aren't named BW and BW was the game that got molested. Don't get me wrong, match-fixing isn't favorable for a number of obvious reasons. But the way its being dealt with is highly inefficient. We should think critically about how to cure it rather than just copy the emotional reactions that were rampant and destructive during the Kespa scandal. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
Now I have the stereotype that koreans love the fix matches ¬¬ | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
" begin coming up with a plan on how to prevent match-fixing in the future " that's where it ends, because he doesn't seem to think there's a way to stop the matchfixing. Honestly you sound really entitled in your post. Yeah this sucks but if there was a way to fix it, it would be fixed. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
Eagerly awaiting news of who it was so i know who to curse on the huge bender im about to go on | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
You say he's throwing a hissy fit, like it's no big deal. But you didn't invest thousands of hours and your heart and soul into this, and you didn't have your trust utterly betrayed and have a knife stabbed and twisted into your back. You can't beat match-fixing in Korea. The foundations of the institution are too strong, and are nearly untraceable. When big corporations and team sports have difficulty dealing w/ match-fixing, what can one good man do? Unlike KeSPA, Sonic has no control over the BJs, so to the brokers approaching a BJ is child's play. The temptation of making more off of one thrown game than you'd make in a month of streaming is incredible. The police aren't going to continue the investigation, and the player's aren't or are unable to give up any names. Sonic only wanted to resolve this current issue of match-fixing, and continue from that point. But he couldn't even do that. SSL was something he did out of his love for the game and scene, with so much sacrifice from his part. Once that was totally betrayed, you can't wonder why he doesn't have the heart to continue? | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
how saddening  | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
I'm not extremely surprised at this, there didn't seem to be much optimism coming from Sonic with earlier announcements, but this is still really sad to hear... | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 17 2012 06:31 puppykiller wrote: I just realized something. Why the fuck does anyone care that match fixing is going on in SSL? It's a bunch of ex-pros and amitures tossing games to disqualify themselves from being able to win any prize money. Unlike the Kespa match-fixing scandal, It has absolutely no effect on a sponsored team, or a sponsored anyone for that matter. No person or company in any way shape or form is getting hurt. The only harm that comes from match-fixing in an individual tourney with no sponsored players is through bad press (people over-reacting) that encourages an irrational and silly bandwagon response of anguish and defeatism. This response is nothing other than illogical and self-destructive. SOSPA was surprisingly reliant on sponsorships. I think Sonic was also planning his answer towards Proleague which would see sponsored teams making a debut. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
Best of luck in what ever you do sonic, you gave it your all, that's all we can ask of you. | ||
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LTY
United States223 Posts
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Sirrush
Netherlands165 Posts
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
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LeapofFaith
United States446 Posts
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