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On December 11 2012 06:05 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:03 Mewka wrote:
In my opinion the thing is that it was supposed to be one of the biggest tournaments nowadays, but ended up in few people Eywa invited to it, not even by their level at all. If you want, you can try pointing out why any one of the invites are bad players... Pretty sure you'd get ignored though.
That's not a point of my post and I don't think those players are bad.
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On December 11 2012 06:07 Mewka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:05 Eywa- wrote:On December 11 2012 06:03 Mewka wrote:
In my opinion the thing is that it was supposed to be one of the biggest tournaments nowadays, but ended up in few people Eywa invited to it, not even by their level at all. If you want, you can try pointing out why any one of the invites are bad players... Pretty sure you'd get ignored though. That's not a point of my post and I don't think those players are bad.
Then explain how they are not proper level players to be seeded into a tournament?
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Read my 1st post -.-
And you just said that you picked some players that you like I didn't write anywhere that they are bad
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On December 11 2012 06:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 05:49 ninazerg wrote:Please, explain this to me. In my somewhat skeptical inquiry, I asked: On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming  It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? To which I received this reply: On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate.
"THE FUNDS ARE ALREADY LOCKED IN FOR THE TOURNAMENT"My God. Still, I was perplexed by some of the odd wording of some of the posts, so I had to ask: On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? To which I received the enigmatic reply: On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? I don't see what you're trying to get that or where it says that in his post, obviously, anything can be interpreted and he knows that I don't talk much about my planning, i.e. you didn't hear about this event till I posted it, I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track. Really? I was on the wrong track? Of course, yes, I must've been. Geez, how could I have been so skeptical against such an awesome kick-ass event? On July 21 2012 20:42 LML wrote:On July 21 2012 10:42 BWalma wrote:
I can see where a lot of people are getting skeptical. Might I suggest something. I've been a caster for about 6 or 7 months now. Many people still do not hear of my name. I'm fine with that. What I can tell you is for one practice makes perfect. Consistency makes perfect. Maybe if you run enough tournaments that are successful maybe people will stop second guessing you. I'd suggest partner with ISL make it bigger if you want to "rush" this huge tournament out. I think your better off starting smaller with smaller tournaments and organizing them well and then go international with 40k prize pool.
I wish you all the best luck in your endeavor. You said looking for volunteers or something like that. I'd be happy to help any qualifiers that are online with replays. I'd be unavailable to go into Europe has I have school but just giving you some option. You might have heard of such things as the Nation War League, Gambit Cup Season 1 and 2? Eywa also hosted several other tournaments if I am not mistaken, which also had prices. So, what else should he do? Tbh, the reason I had trust in this, from the moment I've heard it, is simply because of Eywa's name on it. I think those who have followed his events and read his rulesets clearly notice that what Eywa has once said: the attempt to bring foreign BW to a more professional level, something alot of players sadly lack. Hence it's good someone is taking on this. But that's also the reason I believe in this event. Jesus. Now, really, I think I had a right to have a dose of healthy skepticism. Since you had answered all my questions, I let it go. Some of my friends told me on Skype that they thought it was "bullshit", but I said that I wasn't sure. I told them that while I disagree about Eywa's handling of almost everything, I sincerely hoped the event was a real thing. As it turns out, it's not. It never was. On October 23 2012 14:54 ninazerg wrote:
Let me just say right now that I really hope this event succeeds. I may have been skeptical about the prize-pool at first (I was like "Who has that kind of money laying around?") but even when some people I know said they thought the prize was fake, I even told them that I hoped that it wasn't fake. I honestly hope that your effort here succeeds, and even though I may have come off as antagonistic before, I apologize. I probably won't be able to come close to qualifying, and won't be able to afford a trip to Europe anytime in the foreseeable future, it's not about me.
Now, this may come as a surprise, but after some time of reflection, I would much rather just put myself out there and take a step towards reconciliation with you. After all, it's a game we both really love playing, and there is such a great community that comes with it, and I have no intention of skirmishing with you on the forums or anywhere again in the future. That's not the way I want to be, and I hope that it's not too late to make peace with you, Eywa-. That being said, forget about the grudge, I don't want it anymore or want to spend another ounce of energy on my own unnecessary negativity.
I sincerely believe that if you focus on the organization of this LAN tour, it will be a big success. Best of luck to you! I went out of my way to get out of the way so you would have one less vocal critic, and even went so far as to ask Gecko to take a hockey card joke out of a parody magazine that we worked on. You just need to stop this, Eywa. Just stop. Nobody wants any more bullshit explanations. Just come clean and tell everyone the truth, which is that there will not be a LAN. Also, those stupid showmatches you barely won while we both played random and you cheesed every game on stupid maps are bullshit. Time to end this once and for all. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=347930#2Don't dodge. Fact: I lied about the money because I was sure that we would be able to raise it on time. Do you think all credible organizations have stuff at the time of announce? No... You generally work out a plan which is very strong in nature and then roll out aspects simultaneously. Of course, that didn't happen, however, there will be a LAN for those few that I have respect for. When I'm working and I'm asked to travel somewhere on a given date, sometimes equipment doesn't come in till the end of the week... I mean why is that? It's because things are organized simultaneously given that without this aspect, the flow of things are just too rough and things happen later than they generally should. As for the Grudge Match, I have played about 10 games of brood war in the past 12 months.
You are not an organization. There is no EywaSC. There won't be a LAN. Please... just stop it, and if you've only played 10 games, then get practicing.
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On December 11 2012 06:14 Mewka wrote:
Read my 1st post -.-
And you just said that you picked some players that you like I didn't write anywhere that they are bad
On December 11 2012 06:03 Mewka wrote:
In my opinion the thing is that it was supposed to be one of the biggest tournaments nowadays, but ended up in few people Eywa invited to it, not even by their level at all.
I'm just trying to figure out who wasn't picked by their level? I didn't include L_Master in there, even though he stated on Skype that he was offended I didn't think he was at top level... I didn't put a lot of people in there because they're not top level. I mean, if they weren't picked by their level at all then who of the 14 shouldn't be in a tournament? Please enlighten me.
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On December 11 2012 06:16 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 11 2012 05:49 ninazerg wrote:Please, explain this to me. In my somewhat skeptical inquiry, I asked: On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? To which I received this reply: On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate.
"THE FUNDS ARE ALREADY LOCKED IN FOR THE TOURNAMENT"My God. Still, I was perplexed by some of the odd wording of some of the posts, so I had to ask: On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? To which I received the enigmatic reply: On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? I don't see what you're trying to get that or where it says that in his post, obviously, anything can be interpreted and he knows that I don't talk much about my planning, i.e. you didn't hear about this event till I posted it, I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track. Really? I was on the wrong track? Of course, yes, I must've been. Geez, how could I have been so skeptical against such an awesome kick-ass event? On July 21 2012 20:42 LML wrote:On July 21 2012 10:42 BWalma wrote:
I can see where a lot of people are getting skeptical. Might I suggest something. I've been a caster for about 6 or 7 months now. Many people still do not hear of my name. I'm fine with that. What I can tell you is for one practice makes perfect. Consistency makes perfect. Maybe if you run enough tournaments that are successful maybe people will stop second guessing you. I'd suggest partner with ISL make it bigger if you want to "rush" this huge tournament out. I think your better off starting smaller with smaller tournaments and organizing them well and then go international with 40k prize pool.
I wish you all the best luck in your endeavor. You said looking for volunteers or something like that. I'd be happy to help any qualifiers that are online with replays. I'd be unavailable to go into Europe has I have school but just giving you some option. You might have heard of such things as the Nation War League, Gambit Cup Season 1 and 2? Eywa also hosted several other tournaments if I am not mistaken, which also had prices. So, what else should he do? Tbh, the reason I had trust in this, from the moment I've heard it, is simply because of Eywa's name on it. I think those who have followed his events and read his rulesets clearly notice that what Eywa has once said: the attempt to bring foreign BW to a more professional level, something alot of players sadly lack. Hence it's good someone is taking on this. But that's also the reason I believe in this event. Jesus. Now, really, I think I had a right to have a dose of healthy skepticism. Since you had answered all my questions, I let it go. Some of my friends told me on Skype that they thought it was "bullshit", but I said that I wasn't sure. I told them that while I disagree about Eywa's handling of almost everything, I sincerely hoped the event was a real thing. As it turns out, it's not. It never was. On October 23 2012 14:54 ninazerg wrote:
Let me just say right now that I really hope this event succeeds. I may have been skeptical about the prize-pool at first (I was like "Who has that kind of money laying around?") but even when some people I know said they thought the prize was fake, I even told them that I hoped that it wasn't fake. I honestly hope that your effort here succeeds, and even though I may have come off as antagonistic before, I apologize. I probably won't be able to come close to qualifying, and won't be able to afford a trip to Europe anytime in the foreseeable future, it's not about me.
Now, this may come as a surprise, but after some time of reflection, I would much rather just put myself out there and take a step towards reconciliation with you. After all, it's a game we both really love playing, and there is such a great community that comes with it, and I have no intention of skirmishing with you on the forums or anywhere again in the future. That's not the way I want to be, and I hope that it's not too late to make peace with you, Eywa-. That being said, forget about the grudge, I don't want it anymore or want to spend another ounce of energy on my own unnecessary negativity.
I sincerely believe that if you focus on the organization of this LAN tour, it will be a big success. Best of luck to you! I went out of my way to get out of the way so you would have one less vocal critic, and even went so far as to ask Gecko to take a hockey card joke out of a parody magazine that we worked on. You just need to stop this, Eywa. Just stop. Nobody wants any more bullshit explanations. Just come clean and tell everyone the truth, which is that there will not be a LAN. Also, those stupid showmatches you barely won while we both played random and you cheesed every game on stupid maps are bullshit. Time to end this once and for all. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=347930#2Don't dodge. Fact: I lied about the money because I was sure that we would be able to raise it on time. Do you think all credible organizations have stuff at the time of announce? No... You generally work out a plan which is very strong in nature and then roll out aspects simultaneously. Of course, that didn't happen, however, there will be a LAN for those few that I have respect for. When I'm working and I'm asked to travel somewhere on a given date, sometimes equipment doesn't come in till the end of the week... I mean why is that? It's because things are organized simultaneously given that without this aspect, the flow of things are just too rough and things happen later than they generally should. As for the Grudge Match, I have played about 10 games of brood war in the past 12 months. You are not an organization. There is no EywaSC. There won't be a LAN. Please... just stop it, and if you've only played 10 games, then get practicing.
In Order: Correct, Correct, Incorrect, absolutely not.
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Based on the other thread, I like how largo and dewalt are gone now lol
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instead of answering in vague statements why not provide some proof that the funds exist so we can stop being skeptical?
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On December 11 2012 06:20 Kiante wrote:
instead of answering in vague statements why not provide some proof that the funds exist so we can stop being skeptical?
Because this tournament is not for you, it's not for anyone in the community except for the people invited. They will receive proof very shortly... You get nothing. Just another reason to have 2 seeds, for the qualifying players to have some reassurance of what's going on.
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On December 10 2012 23:02 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 19:59 Birdie wrote:On December 10 2012 18:22 ihufa wrote:
This is amazing, why are some people being whiny little cunts? The tournament is cool, sure. It's more the fact that Eywa cancelled the 38k tour he was going to host because he "doesn't feel like dealing with most of the community" and he "didn't feel it was worth my time". False promises suck, big false promises suck more. I agree, though if community members feel like picking it up, I will gladly tell them about what the plan was in detail and guide them through it ( since I've done this for personal gain before - So I know very well what I'm doing).
This bold quote is exactly why we have this tour running as smoothly as possible @ top quality!!! Everyone enjoy the 38k $ LAN... oh wait...
On December 10 2012 23:17 sas.Sziky wrote:
it's a bit offensive to me (backup list) I do not understand, so you can delete it from there my name Thanks for the opportunity!
^ lol why he's not an invite is strange to begin with
Also, Cryoc won his group in the EUROLAN and dOTY showed no interest in it, so now he's not even an invite?
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In my opinion the thing is that it was supposed to be one of the biggest tournaments nowadays, but ended up in few people Eywa invited to it, not even by their level at all.
Last 7 words mean that you invited good players which u like the most, the most important in this post is that part
damn
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On December 11 2012 06:25 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:20 Kiante wrote:
instead of answering in vague statements why not provide some proof that the funds exist so we can stop being skeptical? Because this tournament is not for you, it's not for anyone in the community except for the people invited. They will receive proof very shortly... You get nothing. Just another reason to have 2 seeds, for the qualifying players to have some reassurance of what's going on.
so why the fuck you are posting this thread in Teamliquid? I am out of this topic
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On December 11 2012 06:26 dRaW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 23:02 Eywa- wrote:On December 10 2012 19:59 Birdie wrote:On December 10 2012 18:22 ihufa wrote:
This is amazing, why are some people being whiny little cunts? The tournament is cool, sure. It's more the fact that Eywa cancelled the 38k tour he was going to host because he "doesn't feel like dealing with most of the community" and he "didn't feel it was worth my time". False promises suck, big false promises suck more. I agree, though if community members feel like picking it up, I will gladly tell them about what the plan was in detail and guide them through it ( since I've done this for personal gain before - So I know very well what I'm doing). This bold quote is exactly why we have this tour running as smoothly as possible @ top quality!!! Everyone enjoy the 38k $ LAN... oh wait... Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 23:17 sas.Sziky wrote:
it's a bit offensive to me (backup list) I do not understand, so you can delete it from there my name Thanks for the opportunity! ^ lol why he's not an invite is strange to begin with Also, Cryoc won his group in the EUROLAN and dOTY showed no interest in it, so now he's not even an invite?
Quite Simply, I didn't think about Cryoc, but now that you mention it... He can have a spot.
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On December 11 2012 06:25 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:20 Kiante wrote:
instead of answering in vague statements why not provide some proof that the funds exist so we can stop being skeptical? Because this tournament is not for you, it's not for anyone in the community except for the people invited. They will receive proof very shortly... You get nothing. Just another reason to have 2 seeds, for the qualifying players to have some reassurance of what's going on.
Oh cool so you'll be providing everyone in GC with proof of the funds for that?
Hopefully one of those players will publish.
looking at you draw!
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On December 11 2012 06:18 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:16 ninazerg wrote:On December 11 2012 06:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 11 2012 05:49 ninazerg wrote:Please, explain this to me. In my somewhat skeptical inquiry, I asked: On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? To which I received this reply: On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate.
"THE FUNDS ARE ALREADY LOCKED IN FOR THE TOURNAMENT"My God. Still, I was perplexed by some of the odd wording of some of the posts, so I had to ask: On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? To which I received the enigmatic reply: On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:
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nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?)
Anyway, possible Players:
Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot.
Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? I don't see what you're trying to get that or where it says that in his post, obviously, anything can be interpreted and he knows that I don't talk much about my planning, i.e. you didn't hear about this event till I posted it, I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track. Really? I was on the wrong track? Of course, yes, I must've been. Geez, how could I have been so skeptical against such an awesome kick-ass event? On July 21 2012 20:42 LML wrote:On July 21 2012 10:42 BWalma wrote:
I can see where a lot of people are getting skeptical. Might I suggest something. I've been a caster for about 6 or 7 months now. Many people still do not hear of my name. I'm fine with that. What I can tell you is for one practice makes perfect. Consistency makes perfect. Maybe if you run enough tournaments that are successful maybe people will stop second guessing you. I'd suggest partner with ISL make it bigger if you want to "rush" this huge tournament out. I think your better off starting smaller with smaller tournaments and organizing them well and then go international with 40k prize pool.
I wish you all the best luck in your endeavor. You said looking for volunteers or something like that. I'd be happy to help any qualifiers that are online with replays. I'd be unavailable to go into Europe has I have school but just giving you some option. You might have heard of such things as the Nation War League, Gambit Cup Season 1 and 2? Eywa also hosted several other tournaments if I am not mistaken, which also had prices. So, what else should he do? Tbh, the reason I had trust in this, from the moment I've heard it, is simply because of Eywa's name on it. I think those who have followed his events and read his rulesets clearly notice that what Eywa has once said: the attempt to bring foreign BW to a more professional level, something alot of players sadly lack. Hence it's good someone is taking on this. But that's also the reason I believe in this event. Jesus. Now, really, I think I had a right to have a dose of healthy skepticism. Since you had answered all my questions, I let it go. Some of my friends told me on Skype that they thought it was "bullshit", but I said that I wasn't sure. I told them that while I disagree about Eywa's handling of almost everything, I sincerely hoped the event was a real thing. As it turns out, it's not. It never was. On October 23 2012 14:54 ninazerg wrote:
Let me just say right now that I really hope this event succeeds. I may have been skeptical about the prize-pool at first (I was like "Who has that kind of money laying around?") but even when some people I know said they thought the prize was fake, I even told them that I hoped that it wasn't fake. I honestly hope that your effort here succeeds, and even though I may have come off as antagonistic before, I apologize. I probably won't be able to come close to qualifying, and won't be able to afford a trip to Europe anytime in the foreseeable future, it's not about me.
Now, this may come as a surprise, but after some time of reflection, I would much rather just put myself out there and take a step towards reconciliation with you. After all, it's a game we both really love playing, and there is such a great community that comes with it, and I have no intention of skirmishing with you on the forums or anywhere again in the future. That's not the way I want to be, and I hope that it's not too late to make peace with you, Eywa-. That being said, forget about the grudge, I don't want it anymore or want to spend another ounce of energy on my own unnecessary negativity.
I sincerely believe that if you focus on the organization of this LAN tour, it will be a big success. Best of luck to you! I went out of my way to get out of the way so you would have one less vocal critic, and even went so far as to ask Gecko to take a hockey card joke out of a parody magazine that we worked on. You just need to stop this, Eywa. Just stop. Nobody wants any more bullshit explanations. Just come clean and tell everyone the truth, which is that there will not be a LAN. Also, those stupid showmatches you barely won while we both played random and you cheesed every game on stupid maps are bullshit. Time to end this once and for all. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=347930#2Don't dodge. Fact: I lied about the money because I was sure that we would be able to raise it on time. Do you think all credible organizations have stuff at the time of announce? No... You generally work out a plan which is very strong in nature and then roll out aspects simultaneously. Of course, that didn't happen, however, there will be a LAN for those few that I have respect for. When I'm working and I'm asked to travel somewhere on a given date, sometimes equipment doesn't come in till the end of the week... I mean why is that? It's because things are organized simultaneously given that without this aspect, the flow of things are just too rough and things happen later than they generally should. As for the Grudge Match, I have played about 10 games of brood war in the past 12 months. You are not an organization. There is no EywaSC. There won't be a LAN. Please... just stop it, and if you've only played 10 games, then get practicing. In Order: Correct, Correct, Incorrect, absolutely not.
All right, if you don't want to practice, then I think you'll do significantly worse than normal, but that's fine I guess.
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On December 11 2012 06:28 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:25 Eywa- wrote:On December 11 2012 06:20 Kiante wrote:
instead of answering in vague statements why not provide some proof that the funds exist so we can stop being skeptical? Because this tournament is not for you, it's not for anyone in the community except for the people invited. They will receive proof very shortly... You get nothing. Just another reason to have 2 seeds, for the qualifying players to have some reassurance of what's going on. Oh cool so you'll be providing everyone in GC with proof of the funds for that? Hopefully one of those players will publish. looking at you draw!
I'm not organizing GC... Do you have trouble with reading?
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On December 11 2012 06:32 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:18 Eywa- wrote:On December 11 2012 06:16 ninazerg wrote:On December 11 2012 06:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 11 2012 05:49 ninazerg wrote:Please, explain this to me. In my somewhat skeptical inquiry, I asked: On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? To which I received this reply: On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:On July 20 2012 19:59 Eywa- wrote:
There's been a lot of talk from Canada that they don't want to play with South America, however, until there are any sign ups at all from either of these areas, this will be ignored entirely. Like I said, Qualifications I set are likely to change pending on sign ups. nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?) Anyway, possible Players: Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot. Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate.
"THE FUNDS ARE ALREADY LOCKED IN FOR THE TOURNAMENT"My God. Still, I was perplexed by some of the odd wording of some of the posts, so I had to ask: On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:On July 21 2012 05:37 dRaW wrote:
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nothing was finalized, so we didn't think to start qualification point systems, Dragon and I were looking at possible players from LA+CA and you claim we're all inactive but this is a huge prize pool and likely some of these inactive people might just take a shot at it (which is what I thought we are promoting anyway, increase popularity in BW?)
Anyway, possible Players:
Assault, Bizzy, Bibiane, Castro, Cute, Deska, Dinot, Dragon, Draw, Gotunk, Handy, ShuttleDance, Terror, Yan... These are only off the top of my head though, I imagine there are a few others who upon realizing the amount of $ for the tour will probably give it a shot.
Also for the Qualifiers, where do we host it(server)? How do we notify the people of that area there is a qualifier? what do we need to get the qualifier approved? [again you say we have no sign ups but you were not clear at all that we can just get started on these things, ie: if I sign up now, I still have to wait for other people to sign up before I can host any qualifiers...? ] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? To which I received the enigmatic reply: On July 21 2012 10:23 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 10:01 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 08:49 Eywa- wrote:On July 21 2012 08:30 ninazerg wrote:On July 21 2012 06:13 ImbaTosS wrote:[quote] I think all these questions coming out are really good. If people voice all uncertainties and inconsistencies now, it will be much easier to make a fully rounded and satisfactory plan. Keep them coming It would be great if "inactive" or very casual players would really step up their game for this. It would also be superb if players on the edge, (C+, possibly slightly intermittently practicing players like myself) would push themselves to a higher standard, and get some new faces at the top. I'm certainly going to try to do so, schedule permitting. Oh, excellent! I'm glad you're taking this approach to the questions. Has EywaSC procured the funds for the tournament already, or are the numbers in the original post more of a 'rough estimate'? The funds are already locked in for the tournament, it's no estimate. Well, then I'm confused. Let me explain. On July 19 2012 13:03 Shotcoder wrote:
The money has been gathered through a team effort of purchasing and manufacturing product, organizing and packaging said product and redistributing it for sale at a local level. So the funding comes from the efforts of myself, Eywa and Elegant. We are no saying you don't need to know where the money is coming from, we are just withholding information for our fundraising benefits (ie if we raised this kind of money with it what's stopping TL users from repeating and reducing the "profit" margin[I use profit loosely here because the fund go back toward more product or into tournament funding]).
You've stated that Noise is the primary fundraiser for this project. If the funds are already "locked in" like you've said, why did Noise express concerns about revealing the source of the project's income being jeopardized by copycats following the same business model? That sounds to me like the Hockey Cards haven't been sold yet, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? I don't see what you're trying to get that or where it says that in his post, obviously, anything can be interpreted and he knows that I don't talk much about my planning, i.e. you didn't hear about this event till I posted it, I try to perfect the product and not the speech. If you get caught up on the speech, then you're likely on the wrong track. Really? I was on the wrong track? Of course, yes, I must've been. Geez, how could I have been so skeptical against such an awesome kick-ass event? On July 21 2012 20:42 LML wrote:On July 21 2012 10:42 BWalma wrote:
I can see where a lot of people are getting skeptical. Might I suggest something. I've been a caster for about 6 or 7 months now. Many people still do not hear of my name. I'm fine with that. What I can tell you is for one practice makes perfect. Consistency makes perfect. Maybe if you run enough tournaments that are successful maybe people will stop second guessing you. I'd suggest partner with ISL make it bigger if you want to "rush" this huge tournament out. I think your better off starting smaller with smaller tournaments and organizing them well and then go international with 40k prize pool.
I wish you all the best luck in your endeavor. You said looking for volunteers or something like that. I'd be happy to help any qualifiers that are online with replays. I'd be unavailable to go into Europe has I have school but just giving you some option. You might have heard of such things as the Nation War League, Gambit Cup Season 1 and 2? Eywa also hosted several other tournaments if I am not mistaken, which also had prices. So, what else should he do? Tbh, the reason I had trust in this, from the moment I've heard it, is simply because of Eywa's name on it. I think those who have followed his events and read his rulesets clearly notice that what Eywa has once said: the attempt to bring foreign BW to a more professional level, something alot of players sadly lack. Hence it's good someone is taking on this. But that's also the reason I believe in this event. Jesus. Now, really, I think I had a right to have a dose of healthy skepticism. Since you had answered all my questions, I let it go. Some of my friends told me on Skype that they thought it was "bullshit", but I said that I wasn't sure. I told them that while I disagree about Eywa's handling of almost everything, I sincerely hoped the event was a real thing. As it turns out, it's not. It never was. On October 23 2012 14:54 ninazerg wrote:
Let me just say right now that I really hope this event succeeds. I may have been skeptical about the prize-pool at first (I was like "Who has that kind of money laying around?") but even when some people I know said they thought the prize was fake, I even told them that I hoped that it wasn't fake. I honestly hope that your effort here succeeds, and even though I may have come off as antagonistic before, I apologize. I probably won't be able to come close to qualifying, and won't be able to afford a trip to Europe anytime in the foreseeable future, it's not about me.
Now, this may come as a surprise, but after some time of reflection, I would much rather just put myself out there and take a step towards reconciliation with you. After all, it's a game we both really love playing, and there is such a great community that comes with it, and I have no intention of skirmishing with you on the forums or anywhere again in the future. That's not the way I want to be, and I hope that it's not too late to make peace with you, Eywa-. That being said, forget about the grudge, I don't want it anymore or want to spend another ounce of energy on my own unnecessary negativity.
I sincerely believe that if you focus on the organization of this LAN tour, it will be a big success. Best of luck to you! I went out of my way to get out of the way so you would have one less vocal critic, and even went so far as to ask Gecko to take a hockey card joke out of a parody magazine that we worked on. You just need to stop this, Eywa. Just stop. Nobody wants any more bullshit explanations. Just come clean and tell everyone the truth, which is that there will not be a LAN. Also, those stupid showmatches you barely won while we both played random and you cheesed every game on stupid maps are bullshit. Time to end this once and for all. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=347930#2Don't dodge. Fact: I lied about the money because I was sure that we would be able to raise it on time. Do you think all credible organizations have stuff at the time of announce? No... You generally work out a plan which is very strong in nature and then roll out aspects simultaneously. Of course, that didn't happen, however, there will be a LAN for those few that I have respect for. When I'm working and I'm asked to travel somewhere on a given date, sometimes equipment doesn't come in till the end of the week... I mean why is that? It's because things are organized simultaneously given that without this aspect, the flow of things are just too rough and things happen later than they generally should. As for the Grudge Match, I have played about 10 games of brood war in the past 12 months. You are not an organization. There is no EywaSC. There won't be a LAN. Please... just stop it, and if you've only played 10 games, then get practicing. In Order: Correct, Correct, Incorrect, absolutely not. All right, if you don't want to practice, then I think you'll do significantly worse than normal, but that's fine I guess.
I'll grudge match you in Dota 2... You can even pick my hero in all games.
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On December 11 2012 06:28 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 06:25 Eywa- wrote:On December 11 2012 06:20 Kiante wrote:
instead of answering in vague statements why not provide some proof that the funds exist so we can stop being skeptical? Because this tournament is not for you, it's not for anyone in the community except for the people invited. They will receive proof very shortly... You get nothing. Just another reason to have 2 seeds, for the qualifying players to have some reassurance of what's going on. Oh cool so you'll be providing everyone in GC with proof of the funds for that? Hopefully one of those players will publish. looking at you draw!
sas has a salary, I got paid for GC R1 (very small amount, I decided to be the financial adviser for sas and we went base on games won for $$ split). It was about 3 weeks late and I was skeptical about it but it came. However, I told most in sas that there won't be a R2 for GC just because of the epic shadiness. Waiting to be proven wrong, but the problem now is if the teams will even remain to compete for money or just pull out due to these circumstances. (Also for making an observation in the GC thread I was banned for 4 weeks, so I won't be too active in this scene until unbanned)
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Yes you're not organising GC but according to your post and game's you're directly funding this new 1k prize pool. Surely proof of this should exist, considering you were happy to lie about the funds for the eurolan, why would the players believe the 1k is real either?
Looking at draw's post it seems like while you managed to provide the prizes for the first season, jacking up the prize pool to double would most likely leave players feeling a bit uneasy about whether the money exists? I know i'm an outsider to the league but just looking in and considering your past actions surely this is something you've considered and have an appropriate action to help resolve?
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what i dont get is why are u sponsoring bw tours/LAN's , if you think bw is not worth for u.
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