Map (4)Dyad 2v2

On August 23 2012 00:59 s.Q.uelched wrote:

Right now the ramps are made like this \
by having them mirrored I meant to have all 4 ramps be like this /
I hope you understand.

On August 23 2012 04:40 s.Q.uelched wrote:

I made this comment because with his previous map, I felt that the ai pathing was exceptionally buggy at the ramps.

On August 28 2012 22:20 bITt.mAN wrote:
EDIT: I'll draw u a picture when I get back home.


my word I'm glad you had a book to write all the stuff down. Please upload the .rep , or at least examine in a repaly reader and spoiler the 2 HOUR chat-log.

As I was going to sleep last night I had a ton of really good ideas that I talked with you about I was lying in bed and the stuff was still racing though my mind.

How about replacing the minerals in the middle with 7x150min stacked things instead. That would mean they're kinda like 'high yield' in that they give faster income (thus more reward), but are pretty exposed. They'd only really be used for endgame long distance mining situations, but still, if you're gonna have them, might as well have them make as much sense as possible.
Another minor idea is managing to make the hills themselves in the middle kinda like mineral-onlys, by sticking normal mineral fields (or said stacked ones) right on the edge of the cliff so that you could just fit a CC (or equivalent) on top. I guess I'm thinking Plains to Hill aka. Pelenor. This is interesting, as they're quite exposed and vulnerable to attack from all sides. Then, taking this base would mean saccrificing using it for anything else BUT mining, as the CC and miners would screw the pathing to hell.
Mine, or tanks on hill? -->STRATEGYYYYY



The big idea though was a way to use that space below the 3rd with the big white doodad (5). In retrospect, the actual expo is a good distance from its choke, meaning even if you control the choke area, they can still kinda defend and get moniez from the expo.
Basically, port the bottom right and top left bases from Nostalgia. You'd have the mineral only at the nat of the corner expo, being near-er to the cliff. You can move everything on that side down a bit (making middle left/right 3rds further away) without concern because there'd be no gas, and the mineral field would be snuggy up against the cliff. But don't remove too much low-ground at that nat, u still want somewhere to mass turrets.

Anyway, you have a Nostalgia-style high-ground bridge right from the left side of the mineral-only, snaking behind the 3rd gas, and ending up on the side of the natural. You would block off the entrances to it (more on that later) with neutral buildings, so its not too imba. First, this lets you harass that 3rd. Put it close enough that even vultures and lurkers, not just Tanks, can get shots. Since you need to jump walls/kill walls/have drop tech in order to harass that 3rd, this gives option for cliffing with drops and more dynamic play, YAY.


I like this idea because it allows for runbys, more manoeuvering, and more interesting game dynamics and terrain stuffed into one map. Now, the types of temples+mins you place to block will be very important.
With a new bridge to the corner expos, if it weren't blocked, people could walk over there sigege up, free base. Also, if it isn't locked, lings could run around the side like on Moon Glaive. I mean, that wouldn't be THAT much of a problem, but it'd be annoying, and would certainly affect our walling discussions.
You want the outside part to be jumpable like on Medusa or Electric Circuit. Those temples (dunno how many) are well ballanced, I think you should port them direct. I mean, you could just have a mineral blocking the ramp like Baekmagojji, but, I dunno, I would prefer it feels like something that's super solid all the way until midgame, which is how the Medusa temples play. There are different ways you could do the ramps. Either 2 separate one blocked, or one big wider one and placing the blockers at the point where the bridge peels off from the corner expo. Ballance of space (IT WONT FIT!), how easy it is for enemies to move through there, and how easy it is to defend there. [another fun mechanic we haven't investigated is imitating the neutral buildings in the main on Andromeda, clearing them getting you more access to your main meaning better AA defense]

For the part leading out of the natural, I think it'd be best to copy how its done in the corners of HBR. That means, you can spend the time and mine that guy out before they can come in from the outside, letting you move a few small units up and down. But for proper mobilization, I think it'd be cool if you could have the same temples and stacking as on HBR, except (if possible) half the temple is super-imposed on the cliff, meaning the overall path would be less wide than the temples blocking. Remember, you'd have to leave a gap for units to walk though once you've taken out the stacled 0 minerals.
The path should be as wide as can fit on this map which is already stuffed with cool shit the same width as their soul sisters on Nostalgia, or the back ridge behind the nats on HBR. Arguably, there's a case to be made that you should design it like Gaia's second-entrance-to-nats, except the bridge it leads onto only overlooks the 3rd. Or, even crazier idea, you could put [a narrow (a la 815) ?] ramp from the overlooking bridge, down to the 3rd, blocked by a nearly-done mineral patch (e.g. 32min). Perfect ballance between something that could be agressively mined out (4 passes, 5 is too much IMO) to let ur harassers up on the cliff, and something that would be mined out automatically once people take that base, stimulating them to use the bridge.


Yeah, I'll draw u a picture, and I really wish I was any good at using a proper mapping program to show u proof of concept. HF HF
EDIT: And having referenced 11 different maps in my discourse, I conclude that I am an awesome person. Now if I'd only put in the practice to make maps (starting with shitty ones) myself, instead of just thinking about them q:

On August 28 2012 23:41 bITt.mAN wrote:
{: FlashFTW why do I never see you in OP TeamLiquid? Yeah Time zone differences, but would you mind disclosing your aka. For playing with TL people I always stitch out to my 'bITt.mAN' acc, how about you? Or am I just a noob and you are around?