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ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
April 27 2003 06:55 GMT
#81
but he is correct
It wasn't genorosity of ilnp to regame.

If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28929 Posts
April 27 2003 06:58 GMT
#82
lolz toff im banning you for trolling
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Toff
Profile Joined December 2002
Norway309 Posts
April 27 2003 07:10 GMT
#83
asdf, ok than I admit i'm toff and not boxer. Plz don't ban me.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28929 Posts
April 27 2003 07:13 GMT
#84
ok cuz u apologyse u can stay
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The-SnOwBall
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden15 Posts
April 27 2003 07:21 GMT
#85
Well, yesterday the only people that have spooken was those who thought this was rigged, now when u have posted ilnp i belive what you are saying. Only strange thing is that u dont really play so good axept in important game, but that seems little bit strange but i gues it make sense. And for the thing that the winner is not going to korea some1 posted that (think it waz Nazgul) the winner WILL go to korea but NOT join the Dream Team, im right??. So the final game is soon tomasOn vs ilnp winner goes to korea right? if not he wo came 2nd shoud go there. If no1 really gets to go to korea, all players shoud have refund and Elky/Smuft could feel really bad for themselfes.
Second thing about the whole "drama" that is not right is that u replayed last game vs Ret, i havent seen the replay but even if ur comp was dying it coud have done it anyway. And if Ret was really angry and played whith anger and for that lost the last games, he shoud tho that be the winner of your game relayed AGAIN. If he now has calmed down.

Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
April 27 2003 08:01 GMT
#86
logging in and out means nothing. i've done that to quick review maps in campaign editor, review recent reps, chat on aim, whatever. the last thing a sane competitor wants to do is sit around and chat with the enemy, while waiting on other enemies.

the zerg player in those reps is nowhere near jinnam or any other currently sponsored zerg korean pro gamer in terms of precision and execution.

the style of play is distinct, and apparent in every replay. cheesy, sneaky, consistent, power-driven, solid. equally distinct is the lack of spectacular speed or control or execution. the player in those reps is thinking. pro gamers do not think, they simply execute and react.

if ret was not determined to have been hacking, the games should not have been replayed. this is pretty damn clear. he's either deemed a hacker by an admin and kicked from wdtour, or he advances to play testie.
JAM THE FUCKER!
SoA.Testie
Profile Joined April 2003
74 Posts
April 27 2003 08:13 GMT
#87
So.. his comp just regularily dies on him? "Shit my comp died.."
"Oh there it goes, back to life."
What is a dying comp mean. Does that mean he noticed it was gradually dying and then ended up discing?

And look, i'm not TRYING to be bad manner about this, i'm just saying how the hell do you explain all this crap to happen to one totally untrustworthy person. And let's focus on the subject here, and not point the finger to distract. Hell if I am PROVEN wrong (Just as Elky Says! PROVE IT!) I will be the first one to kiss your ass and apologize, and even send you chocolates in the mail or some gift to show you that I did you really wrong.

But you know what? How can I believe that's the case. How the hell can I believe that. The worst thing that just set the alarms off in my head was elky "his computers broken" etc. I was already in the mess, but at that point... The fishiness was going on many miles away, and I swear I could smell it from here. Note: No one accused Testie, or Daaman, or Willet. Everyone who played dudey said something negative including definite possible hack.

Elky: "Play or be disqualified." How do I post screen shots?
Because I took a couple of ElkY saying the exact words.
Elky: "Thank u for ur cooperation." Interpretation for their side? Testie stop being a bitch, and face the music and play our hacking zerg friend. Interpretation for my side? Testie stop being a bitch, and face the music and play our hacking zerg friend. Dudey, your excuses for your hacking were as bad as mine when I was a hacker. Funny cause they look exactly the same too. "Oh, I just went sairs after early expoing cause I thought you'd do the same thing twice" Or "Oh, I just went sairs after early expoing cause I knew you wouldn't do the same thing twice" (IT switched really easily doesn't it?) "I watched you vs fisheye games" hence doing the same thing twice? "I basically knew you'd vulture, and know you like dropships"
... I have a friend who always mass goons, but I never KNOW he's mass gooning unless I have the scouting ability to prove it.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
April 27 2003 08:15 GMT
#88
sometimes even your maphack cant bring you to korea testie.
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
April 27 2003 08:15 GMT
#89
SUP B3Y
why so 진지해?
Kontra[MDK]
Profile Joined October 2002
Portugal1013 Posts
April 27 2003 08:28 GMT
#90
Ilnp, i would be willing to belive the rest if you would convince me that you didnt disc on purpose.

Man, u were gona loose 2-1 to ret! You were loosing the main and the exp, u had 0 troops, he is bashing your main with tanks and your exp with 1-2rines + tanks and.. You disc!! Are u gona say it wasnt on purpose????
Somebody call for an exterminator?
SoA.Testie
Profile Joined April 2003
74 Posts
April 27 2003 09:15 GMT
#91
He is rich, and his comp died apparently.
Just a one time out of the blue thing when he just happened to be losing the game.
Shit bad luck happens, but everything associated with ilnp is like saying JFK was not assassinated.
fillherman
Profile Joined December 2002
187 Posts
April 27 2003 09:38 GMT
#92
well...

dudey's regular comp was broken by FedEx after he came back home from his extended stay in boston. He bought himself one of those shuttle computers. But the computer, for some reason or other, is fucked and constantly screws up. that may be why his "comp died apparently"
RaGe_banned
Profile Joined March 2003
United States538 Posts
April 27 2003 09:46 GMT
#93
the kid has had a "5 digit bank account" since the age of 2, I'm sure since this tournament was a big thing to him, he would have gone out and bought a new computer to decrease the risks of him losing to something like a disconnect, and he obviously has always had a good computer.
And when he disced he came back in about the ammount of time it takes to restart a computer, first he blamed it on his computer dying, then he blaimed it on the Cable in Missouri. Which is it dudey?
Beyonder = The One Thousand Three Hundred and Thirty Seven King
ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
April 27 2003 09:47 GMT
#94
I've complained about computer problems for three weeks Testie. FedEx broke my computer, the one I bought to replace it came broken, I returned it, got another which still doesn't operate (I think I need to flash the bios). It's been three weeks of a nightmare :O
8===D~~
Funktion
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia156 Posts
April 27 2003 10:09 GMT
#95
For what its worth I think ilnp played all his games. The hotkeys and the method of hotkeying in the games is all the same. Plus you can tell by the style of each game its the same person. Doesn't take a genius to see the overwhelming similarities.

The thing I find most funny is when banana.milk first started in wgt all the little retards on this forum were posting "OMG I THINK ITS CHOJJA" like total newbie bitches. Now those same people are saying ilnp sucks and can't of played for himself. GG morons.

It's obvious Testie is now cut at losing because his 24/7 of playing BW hasn't payed off. Beaten by someone who obviously has a life outside of BW *SHOCK*. All you ever post is stuff to try and manipulate situations in your favour and try to get people on your side with your posts "from the heart". You're cool man.

The smartest thing anyone could do in a tourney like this would be to play half hearted leading up to it and play barely well enough to make top 32. And then bust out some serious gosu shit to win. Hell most of the people on here posting about all the top players even said "they aren't trying ATM" and are "saving their best strats". Obviously they were.

So many rather low IQ's on this forum I think.
Wuzzle Woozle?
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
April 27 2003 10:16 GMT
#96
Jesus christ, people are really too messed up in this community, as i wrote in my earlier post: I am quite sure I have seen numerous replays of EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PROGAMER alive, and still believe that every single korean progamer (ok there ARE a lot of semi-pros etc who indeed are very good - just like ilnp) will perform better then what he did in those games. Frankly, the only game where he actually shows a beautiful play is the game vs testie, and still, that game (a very good game from ilnp) was pretty fucking far from Yellow-standards.

The worst shit I've ever heard was Jinnam/Jinsu or another korean zerg playing with maphack. First of all i doubt that they would agree to perform such an immoral action - all the progamers swear they won't hack right? GG Jinnam if he gets caught.

Shit, they player I in an objective way thought played clearly the best was Draco, but he got totally mapfucked - why IS it so unreal that ilnp could beat Veg 2-0 on some of the worst zergmaps ever.
From what I saw in Vegs game I saw absolutely not the slighest little sign of a playing level that would even grant him a spot in the qualifications for a korean pro-league.
Testie did play better than Veg, and in my opinion ilnp outplayed him on Dark Sauron, most of all by more proper use of the map.

A could never agree more with one of the last things ilnp posted, you don't need SEVERAL MONTHS to practice for a tournament, and absolutely not when it's played on non-standard maps.

The only one complaining here should be ret, but he too are not in a position to make any demands.
They both agreed to FORGET the last series when ilnp offered him a full replay of the 3 games, WHEN HE AGREES TO PLAYING THOSE REGAMES HE REALLY CANNOT COME BACK LATER COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FIRST GAMES?

-Out.




h e l l o e
syst
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
United States247 Posts
April 27 2003 11:16 GMT
#97
Brood War politics is so silly.

GL ilnp. I've never seen you play or talked to you, but I want a USA to win. GL GG.
SoA.Testie
Profile Joined April 2003
74 Posts
April 27 2003 11:49 GMT
#98
Dealer, you weren't there.
It wasn't ilnp.
We've gone over this. That and the player was accused of hack by every single person that played him.

Not one accused me of hack. Daaman of hack. Or anyone of hack really. Everyone who played dudey was like 'this is fucking suspicious'
Why? Because I DO play more than everyone. I DO understand the game better than everyone who speaks proper english. And I KNOW that some of the shit he did was too fucking suspicious but can always be counted as luck. You know when the lucky shit happens 10 games in a row, you need to grow some nads and realize what happened is wrong.
I was the first one to push for a frigging game-i tournament, and blizzard facked that up. I wasn't concerned with them putting a great zerg against me.

Because I played vs thewind and many others for christ sakes on this map and won 90% of my games on it and I was confident that terran is easily better than zerg as long as they continually minimize the zergs expansions. And because zerg is stuck to his first gas because of the proper build order, you are basically safe from drop attempts, and or any sign of anyone mutaling (which will rarely, rarely happen). Because they know the terran also doesn't have much gas, his most probably option is mass marine / medic / upgrades with perhaps one or possibly two well protected siege tanks with vessels. And likely sometimes no tanks because they really aren't needed unless the zerg gets an expansion that is well defended with likely a couple lurkers and sunkens. Often late games in the tvz's on these maps, I would find myself having more expansions than the zerg. After killing about 50 of the zergs rebuilt expansions and either whiping out their futile attempt at a small amount of ultra / zerglings with bad upgrades because you restricted their gas. Or they may try a small force of guards and try to abuse the water or ridges in the maps which also will not work because you are restricting their gas. Meanwhile, your units are mostly marines and medics, that with the upgrades will have an extremely overwhelming advantage over lesser upgraded lings and destroy them at a great ratio.

Now however there are some builds about hatching at ramp, and 2 hat lurker ling in base while hidden expansion but this is not the safest of routes as you know. And these people are trying to for the most part force you out of your hole to find their expansion late game so that they can slaughter your force with hold positioned lurkers. There are a multitude of other strategies such as burrowed lings on this map, but they don't work well especially against me because I tend to use quite a few firebats. I have played these maps as all matches because I am a random player. I was on more than all of you and understand them a wee bit better. And I know what the hell i'm talking about. But really, what does that mean? I just did this to prove you wrong and good day. Now let's focus on the real topic, the bad manner from dudey.

What units did you kill me with Dudey. You didn't say. Gotta wait some more time for that person to come on and share the replay ? Oh crap, he didn't save the replay? Maybe then you can wait for him to explain the game to you. That'll work.

Daniel
Profile Joined April 2003
United States20 Posts
April 27 2003 11:58 GMT
#99
Testie there is footage proven that Dudey played vs veg in the semi-finals, its not a stretch to say that he also played to get TO the semi-finals, and if you think he hacked, can you please provide specific references to the replays that show explicit examples where one can reasonably assume hacking? Not a guess, but something for sure, because thats all that will fly. And if you think someone else played for Dudey, who? Its obviously not Jinnam the styles are completely different. And keep in mind its proven that Dudey did in fact play Veg. I realize that you and others are upset, but you need to provide data to back up your statements, bashing Dudey's skill will not fly, he is a very underestimated player, and plus the maps do favor zerg. Can you provide specific examples to prove your points? I.E specific points of hack, or proof of another playing for him, i.e. hotkeys or something?
ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
April 27 2003 12:00 GMT
#100
I believe I did say.

I'm not denying you play more Starcraft than me. But, honestly, I feel I play better than you did. I was scared of you at the beginning of the tournament for exactly ONE reason -- you would play random, and I had the choice of either guessing or being behind in the early game. You chose Terran, and you know what, I don't give a fuck what you say because I know my ZvT is the fucking shit and you know it too. I don't care how many times you beat TheWind or any other slant you are friends with, because maybe they just weren't trying. Don't forget that the super famous Cyrax beats Elky in practice games too.

Nostalgia is a +Z map. When I started playing Zerg I exclusively 9 pooled, then the orders I learned aftewards were ALL low income and few bases. I learned to Micro before I learned to macro. When I look at Nostalgia, I don't see a map where I'm denied a second gas. I see a map where Terran is unable to get HIS second gas without the Zerg either fucking up, allowing him to because he wants to play a power game, or the game being over. Our game was over in a few minutes. I was going Ling/Lurker. It was in my interest to dash for your ramp because losing some of my Zerglings would not be a large deal, because Lurkers were coming soon. If you did not have enough Marines, though, the game would be over as at the very least I'd kill too many for you to be in a good position vs. Lurkers, and ideally (what happened) you would lose all your Marines and some time and some SCVs and it would be over.

I recognize you're a good player and your TvZ impressed me, and wasn't based off abusing a random draw. But please stop being a baby and accept your loss. You are the last person on the planet I expected to cry cheat let alone this hard.
8===D~~
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