EPTWDT thread about ilnp #6 - Page 3
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FridayLove
United States1478 Posts
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dekaN
104 Posts
First of all, we only have the allegation that Kiddie said aobut WDT. That's it. We don't have proof about ilnp. We don't have proof that Jinnam was playing. We only have an allegation. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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Roman
United States2595 Posts
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rK
United States371 Posts
 Just saying hi, haven't seen you in long time, from nohunters and battlereports.com I think :/ | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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AgonyRush
United States2540 Posts
and ilnp always was a retard. and now he proved it once again. im tired of this shit >  | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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[-Bluewolf-]
United States609 Posts
B) However, Dudey is correct that he can do more then "cheese". He does occassionally show some good micro in games, and I do remember a few games way in the past where he did do "normal" strats very well. I have no idea how good his "normal" game is now though, as I have not seen it in a very long time. With a lot of secret practice vs Rekrul, Elky, and Smuft, and with the map advantage, he could be quite good by now. C) Although, I've never seen Dudey do any "non-cheese strats" in any live major tournament that I remember (and I have seen him play at MML and at the WCG 2002 Texas qualifier, both he eventually lost at). I only viewed/heard of some of his games at these events though, and so can only say 75% of his games were "cheese" at these events with certainty. Unless he changed his tournament philosophy since then, most of his games should still be cheese. D) I highly doubt any concrete evidence will come out against ilnp (whether he did it or not) due to the nature of the internet. So, in the end, I doubt anything will change, as both sides can be argued equally well. In fact, most of it actually does come down to X's word vs Y's word, so it's impossible to know for certain who to beleive. | ||
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Suicide
United States475 Posts
Also the point of making you replay someone accused of hacking, points even more fingers at Smuft and Elky having some lack of good judgement. | ||
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bASesinAtOR
Bhutan1295 Posts
MPXMX gj on post. It was pretty stupid | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
The games vs Born2March: 1. There is no korean progamer playing, what gave me that opinion is simply the fact that i think any korean progamer would play better then he did. 2. I didn't see a single action that pointed towards maphack. Game 1 vs Testie: 1. Impossible to judge someones skill in a game decided on a ling"rush". 2. The only argument i can see, besides reading your opponent (T.J Cloutier owns you) is the fact that his overlord left the right side of Testies gas just before he started it, thus he did see a 2 rax terran with no gas started. I am fully aware of the fact that a gas started when his overlord were still there would be very rare for a 2 rax terran, but I am not sure how banana.milk knows his timing. The fact is that it is STILL an argument! Game 2 vs Testie: This is the game where he according to my judgement played his best, and also the game were he uses a number of actions which more or less eliminates the involvement of a maphack. He's got total map control the entire game, his overlords/lings would've spotten almost any attempt of Testie doing any offensive actions. 2 side questions: 1.What maphacker morphs 9-10 guardians when there's 12+ marines just out of their sight moving towards them (unless this was a planned move since Elky was observing and he was probably pretty certain he had the game won)? 2. How often do you see Jinnam, or any other zerg progamer build a building which blocks the gas exit forcing the mining drones to go around it? And in an important game? Game 1 vs Veg: Ok, he saw a fast-teching Terran and counters fast drop versus a player he reads for using the strategy a lot. I too would do that in the same scenario versus an opponent who loves dropships; ie Boxer. After the failed drop it's just regular assrape. Game 2 vs Veg: In this game he never got to see Vegs strat, due to the fact that his drone scouted the wrong way. He never saw if Veg 1 raxed or 2 raxed - where is the error in building 2 sunkens, and adding a 3rd after quite some time? The fact that he pretty much humiliated Vegs fastdrop in Game1 could be mentioned as a psychological reason. Summary: 1. I absolutely do not think that Jinnam or another zerg progamer played his games, the skill just ain't there (ie overlord misses in almost every game). 2. The person who played did not maphack (this is too hard to proove nowadays though - which is why noone can be certain. 3. One player played ALL of the games, the style is more or less the same in every game, which is why i doubt there was a change between any round. 4. Seeing this is a tournament on non-standard maps practicing them a lot could give an advantage bigger than what many of you think. I think ilnp played the games himself, The End. | ||
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Zorglub
Denmark313 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Hades
Canada927 Posts
You lost vs Ret... You cant deny it. Series should have been over right there. You were winning in score? WHO THE FUCK CARES? He had your expo and your main being destroyed and you had no troops to defend. There was NO possible chance of you coming back to win. You were toast... Simple as that. And out of a moral duty you decided to give Ret a rematch, well perhaps that is a moral duty if you are a lameass prick like yourself, for anybody else that would be considered being a complete fucking jackass. Then you decide to play good and make tons of suspicious moves after you realize you could (and should) lose. But this is the first time you have ever been a complete prick, unless you count the countless other times you have disc'd on purpose or left games when they werent going your way... But this is a onetime deal right? And funny how you disc'd just as there was no chance in hell you could win. Who the fuck have you been playing for the past 9 months, that nobody in WDTour knew that you were any good and you were going to surprise them all. Why were you defending SCU in gamefixx and saying you would do the exact same thing in an online tourney, and then when you do the exact same thing, you act surprised and befuddled that people actually think your play was fishy. Whatever, you should be eliminated from the tourney regardless if you hacked or you got someone else to play for you. Ret beat you fair and square, and last time i checked the punishment for hacking wasnt play another game... Also, the rematch which ret "accepted" obviously wasnt done under the threat of Smuft and Elky saying rematch or be dq'd... Oh you forgot to leave that part out as well... You are fucking pathetic and your excuses are just as pathetic as well. | ||
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Oddy
Greece4 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Shockey
United States2615 Posts
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Pumpkin[s.R]
United States317 Posts
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iloveoo
634 Posts
are you out of your mind? that was one fucking amazing overall Z performance ... | ||
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