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On July 09 2005 21:52 StOrieS wrote:
Ok for Twisted your saying Draco is an attention whore but in that case he should fit right in with the new pG, or maybe he doesn't wanna be surrounded by attention whores?
didnt actually bother to read this whole thread, but twisted is in a clan (ToT, pG, whatever) with Testie. Possibly the biggest attention seeker in bw. So i found that a bit funny.
anyways, just want to put in my two cents.
I have never posted anything against any clan, like "tot is creating a monopoly" etc etc. But this is lame. all the pG history is gone in one foul move. Don't really blame mondragon or tot though. just kinda lame. and if the lists of players i've seen are correct/final... there will be some inactive players in the new pG as well.
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i dunno everyone is all heartbroken but when draco found out news he laughed and didnt care.maybe all u ppl should do the same ! but seriously pg was on a big decline. no naz/froz/break/fisheye.most that were still there were inactive anyway everyones acting like they kicked and took over a fuklly active team *_* i mean did anyone really care about pg anymore? T_T
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in the end of this year there will be 3 big clan pG, ssvLenintz, sk
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If Mondragon want's to take there whole clan to pG it's fine with me and i don't c a problem. I do c a problem when members of the former ToT) clan say "It was his choice and I'm just following my leader". Well if u don't agree with your leader choice u have to leave imo. (Offcourse this counts for big disicions only) Joining pG as a former ToT member is np u only should have got your reasons for it. (like every dicision u make in life)
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Netherlands13554 Posts
We had a forum post on the internal ToT page about this. Everyone agreed to go to pG, so there was no-one who was like "oh, I don't wanna go".
Yeah but Testie is an attention whore the majority of ToT likes  You can whine all you want, but Draco is out.
[pG] was on the brink of extinction, that's why the sponsors made this radical decision; to give full control of the bw squad to mondragon. And to be able to be a great team, the atmosphere has to be great too. Since no-one really likes Draco, yeah, he's out ;o
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On July 10 2005 00:35 tfeign wrote:
A clan is just a group of online friends = true.
But a SPONSORED clan should not be just a group of online friends.
If it's just any regular clan, then the leader should choose whoever he wants to be in it, including friends, etc.
But a sponsored team is sponsored for a reason. You don't see KTF ot SKT1 inviting people into the team because they are friends of their current members. They even booted out some of their own players earlier this year because of performance not up to par. Sponsored teams make their decision based on the skill level of the player. They recruit people based on skill level. SKT1 recruited Midas earlier this year because he was a highly skilled player who had a bright future, even though he was quite unpopular among pretty much everyone. If sponsored teams based their recruitment and kicking of players based on their level of popularity with other team members, Midas wouldn't even be in any teams at all. A sponsored team should not be based on the ground that it's just a group of online friends.
The sponsors of a team sponsors a team in hope of receiving more advertisement and market appeal to the general public. That's why sponsored teams are formed by players of high skill level. Every time when a member of a sponsored team accomplishes something big, the sponsor of that team gets a huge marketing boost.
That's the reason why sponsors spend their money on teams. ToT kicking out highly skilled PG players who've been there for many years solely because they aren't liked is not only just a disrespect and slap to the face to the members, it's also a stab in the back to their own sponsors.
(Boxer/Mondi) got handed complete control over a team. (Boxer/Mondi) got to hand pick which members would be best for themself, and their team. Most people with common sense would acknowledge that discension within a team is going to hurt it more than help, and so being with common sense, (Boxer/Mondi) decided not to select any members that they did not feel would better the team.
pG never invited someone that the whole team disliked before mondi took control, why should it now? And Draco didn't even care. Why should you?
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Ok here we go people, official statement from the orga of pG:
*Update* 11am
Good morning ladys and gentleman,
It is 11 am German Time right now and after reading 20 Pages comments on TeamLiquid and some comments on GosuGamers.net , Broodwar.de and stuff i finally thought it´s time to give you some answers to the speculations made by many players. First of all noone was kicked by pG.Several players were offered to go inactive to the Honored Player list and still be a part of pG they just were not allowed to play as pG officially in the new Team. In my eyes the best players and the ones who fit really great into the Team were choosen in a long discussion with Mondragon and the Management, and Mondragon agreed on that and several players got an offer to play in the new Team. So what happened to Methos , Draco and Dashwriter the most people asked. Methos is currently in contact with several big Projects and has some offers he has to check and maybe he choose on of that since he´s not under Contract with pro-gaming. We made an offer too as usual the player is choosing where he likes to play and in Methos case it´s the same.He knows we´d love if he stays and play with the new Team but finally it´s his decision. So let´s come to Dashwriter. What happens to Dashwriter is not decided yet and the Team will have a democratic vote on several players if the want them in the Team or not. So in the End the Team will decide who stays and not and not Mondragon alone as you all speculate because he "dislike" someone.
So finally we come to Draco. Two days before Fisheye and Breakdown talked to the Management that they want to leave because they have a better offer from SSV Lehnitz and want to try something new , which was a really great character trait i can´t say that enough times, Kentaro told me Draco has signed a contract with x6tence.AMD for Lan Events without even informing the Management but he still wanted to play online for pG. So after a short talk to my friends at our partners we decided draco will not play for pG anymore in a new team. You can´t be part of two Teams and if someone takes such a step without informing the Management it´s his own fault if he gets dropped out the Team.
So if you still have any questions that are not answered yet please send a representative of your favorite Broodwar News site for an Interview.
I hope this brings a bit more light into the whole thing.
Have a nice day guys and take care.
Kind Regards,
Björn Franzen
Marketing & Sales Director
P.S: Kentaro is still part of pro-gaming and has a spot in the Team whenever he likes to take it but currently he has a eSports burnout syndrom and we´ll see what he´ll do in the future if he knows it himself. It´s summer and he has holidays so please stop speculating about him aswell.
http://progaming.web.my-ct.de/news/details/id:551/ (same link, it's added at the bottom)
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On July 09 2005 19:00 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2005 18:47 k3fka wrote:On July 09 2005 17:09 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
ToT are such fucking bitches, I hope someone assrapes them all.
Its so fucking pathetic how they just changed tags for money. I mean a tag is not something you throw out! You have been wearing it for years mondragon and now you just change it for 2000 euro a year? A tag is worth way more than 2000euro! you silly cuntfuck. I hope all of you ToT die! DIE!!!!! I want the inactive pG back who played so many clanwars and was doing so much good for the gaming community. God those were fun times lately, until fucking ToT destroyed everything by taking over. I hope you all get a mice arm.
I really do mean it you know, this was the subtile undertone leading through this entire thread
Got bored after reading 7 pages, all you kids whining about the same illogic stuff. Welcome to the real world where people give up stupid things for money. Dah 2000 euros a year? my housemaid wins more christ-.- ur housemaid works and mondi plays a videogame
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ty twisted, he calmly and unbiasedly said what i been trying to say
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vim really durnk sorry
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thank you twisted.
the rest of u eat shit and die.
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did anayone in pG know about this? it seems like they got left out of the loop T_T
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''Several players were offered to go inactive to the Honored Player list and still be a part of pG they just were not allowed to play as pG officially in the new Team''
they are not allowed to play with the team but they still didnt kick em,thats funny,if I was ex-pg member I would better leave ;p
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On July 10 2005 00:42 ChApFoU wrote:
Wow cool down ppl it's not like it's the end of the world, after all Mondi is the leader and it's not like Draco will commit suicide because he isn't in pG anymore. With his skill he can join any good team he wants. Still I'm a bit nostalgic of "Templars of Twilight" , sounded way better that "pro-Gaming".
Anyway I think pG would have died if Mondi didn't took it back. I mean cmon, no Fish, no Break no sponsors, 75% members inactive... Look on the bright side guys ..
agree 100% to the bold marked passages
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Austin10833 Posts
What about Infinity damnit. -_-!
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On July 10 2005 02:42 Twisted wrote:Ok here we go people, official statement from the orga of pG: *Update* 11am Good morning ladys and gentleman, It is 11 am German Time right now and after reading 20 Pages comments on TeamLiquid and some comments on GosuGamers.net , Broodwar.de and stuff i finally thought it´s time to give you some answers to the speculations made by many players. First of all noone was kicked by pG.Several players were offered to go inactive to the Honored Player list and still be a part of pG they just were not allowed to play as pG officially in the new Team. In my eyes the best players and the ones who fit really great into the Team were choosen in a long discussion with Mondragon and the Management, and Mondragon agreed on that and several players got an offer to play in the new Team. So what happened to Methos , Draco and Dashwriter the most people asked. Methos is currently in contact with several big Projects and has some offers he has to check and maybe he choose on of that since he´s not under Contract with pro-gaming. We made an offer too as usual the player is choosing where he likes to play and in Methos case it´s the same.He knows we´d love if he stays and play with the new Team but finally it´s his decision. So let´s come to Dashwriter. What happens to Dashwriter is not decided yet and the Team will have a democratic vote on several players if the want them in the Team or not. So in the End the Team will decide who stays and not and not Mondragon alone as you all speculate because he "dislike" someone. So finally we come to Draco. Two days before Fisheye and Breakdown talked to the Management that they want to leave because they have a better offer from SSV Lehnitz and want to try something new , which was a really great character trait i can´t say that enough times, Kentaro told me Draco has signed a contract with x6tence.AMD for Lan Events without even informing the Management but he still wanted to play online for pG. So after a short talk to my friends at our partners we decided draco will not play for pG anymore in a new team. You can´t be part of two Teams and if someone takes such a step without informing the Management it´s his own fault if he gets dropped out the Team. So if you still have any questions that are not answered yet please send a representative of your favorite Broodwar News site for an Interview. I hope this brings a bit more light into the whole thing. Have a nice day guys and take care. Kind Regards, Björn Franzen Marketing & Sales Director P.S: Kentaro is still part of pro-gaming and has a spot in the Team whenever he likes to take it but currently he has a eSports burnout syndrom and we´ll see what he´ll do in the future if he knows it himself. It´s summer and he has holidays so please stop speculating about him aswell. http://progaming.web.my-ct.de/news/details/id:551/ (same link, it's added at the bottom)
Thx for the info, now let's end the drama everyone plz
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great twist : ) i dont think even I was even 50% as informed as that ;O.
So now, pG gets a new leader and a new squad... why the hell wouldnt we be allowed to chose our own team? do we have to be dragging ppl we dont even like ?
Personally i didnt have anything against draco ... he is a nice guy tho have some strange traits , i wouldnt have voted yes nor NO in a poll about him~ but i know alot of ppl in ToT that dont like him... and there is nothing to do about that even if he is skilled = (
But now obviously the question wasnt about that... draco went behind their backs and even admitted in the channel before that he was going to leave pG anyways so ... i guess it wasnt mondi who was the bad guy in that specific drama then =]
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but why draco has a diffrent version?? why u said u dont like draco when mondi started to dislike him in tanl tournament? testi and draco was friends long time ago... but u all know who start to flame everyone..
mondi just changed his mind a week ago and all ToT dislike draco?? tomson spawn are friends of draco... avernum cant expect giving re after his drop on MONEY tournament especially whilst he is destroying dfraco team for MONEY. WTF?
and blackman what about him? pG make only one think for him give back his cdkey after it being stolen so why they kick him? i cant imagine black make anyone of tot DISLIKE HIM...
MONDI U WHORE>..
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