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Page 23. If I see any more BW vs SC2 debate from that point on you will get banned.
nodnod
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 04:03:16
August 30 2011 04:02 GMT
#981
Another lesson that KESPA needs to learn from this is how the new bo7 format in PL is actually too biased against teams with no depth, i.e., the 'poorer' teams that could not afford to buy players to boost their line-up, e.g., OZ and MBC. When these teams don't perform it's natural for sponsors to drop out because they no longer get the exposure they wanted.
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
August 30 2011 04:06 GMT
#982
On August 30 2011 11:37 Wohmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 11:21 lizzard_warish wrote:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news [though im sure others have said this] but brood war is dead. It wont be around in a year. They've had difficulty finding sponsors for OSL/MSL for almost two years- if not two years.. Costs for maintaining a team are high, and even though sc2 isnt very popular in korea, it has major effects on the BW scene:

1) BW was already declining in popularity and it did drag away SOME viewers
2) Little to no future players are coming in, so an investment in bw is no longer long term
3) starcraft 2 is, uh, starcraft two. It's new, and with all those connotations: Passing of the old, inevitability, better prospects, etc.

Every time BW has had a hiccup, what has happened? sc2 players jump at it, yay, this will help our scene! I mean however deplorable that may be, its the mentality of the world looking in on brood war. When it has a slight issue, its not just a slight issue like back in the day, or even a catastrophe, its a nail in the coffin. The more people view BW as having an expiration date, the more people will move to sc2, which just exponentially ensures the death of the scene. More people leave, less viewers, less sponsors, less sponsors make people think bw is dieing and they leave. Repeat cycle.

There wont be new sponsors coming in, certainly nothing that can maintain the same level of salaries. Players will be cut, training houses will be curtailed massively, and players will give up. I said this in Flash' contract thread. And I'm really not here to say sc2 is better or whatever, so please dont warn me, I love both games. This is just the way it is IMO.


Where do you get the idea that no new players are coming onto the scene? And just because there is a sequel to a game, it doesn't mean that it will replace its predecessor.

BW is dying slowly, but I think it will last more than a year. And for a lot of people SC2 will never be a replacement.
Just look at the people trying out for courage/picked up. Its basically halved since last year.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 30 2011 04:07 GMT
#983
BROODWAR! WHY U BE COLLAPSING!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
raviy
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia207 Posts
August 30 2011 04:08 GMT
#984
On August 30 2011 13:02 nodnod wrote:
Another lesson that KESPA needs to learn from this is how the new bo7 format in PL is actually too biased against teams with no depth, i.e., the 'poorer' teams that could not afford to buy players to boost their line-up, e.g., OZ and MBC. When these teams don't perform it's natural for sponsors to drop out because they no longer get the exposure they wanted.


The old bo5 format favoured teams with very few very strong players. bo7 is actually better for poorer teams.

If it helps, you can think about it in the extreme. If it was a bo1, the only teams who could compete would be the ones who could pay for Flash, Bisu, etc.

If it was a bo101, the salary gap between the players would significantly decrease, because players like Flash wouldn't single handedly win matches.

Right now Flash's salary is several times the salary of other players. As in, Flash's salary could pay for an entire team. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it. I'm just pointing out how the previous bo5 system made it much harder for poorer teams.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 04:09:33
August 30 2011 04:09 GMT
#985
....NOOOOOOOO WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO JAEDONG? WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO HWASEUNG HOUSE?
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
August 30 2011 04:13 GMT
#986
Jaedong to Khan would be SIIIIIIICK, it fills their only really gaping weakspot.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
Carkis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada302 Posts
August 30 2011 04:14 GMT
#987
nonononononono wwwwhhhat ?? ? ?
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
August 30 2011 04:15 GMT
#988
Jaedong to KT? LOL i guess i can dream.
man, this is terrible for brood war . =(
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
August 30 2011 04:15 GMT
#989
Oz???? how can a team with a champion almost-bonjwa like the dong disband....? A 6 team league is getting awfully small
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
August 30 2011 04:15 GMT
#990
On August 30 2011 12:03 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 11:59 LegendaryZ wrote:
If Jaedong retires from BW, I can definitely see him trying his hand at SC2 like several others who've gone before him. I just can't see him as someone that won't continue his pro-gaming career on some level or another. He's just too talented for that.

Most of his interviews talk about him wanting to devote himself to studying so I'm not seeing the logic in dedicating himself to yet another video game. While he's here and the money is good, it's solid, but his interviews suggest he (or maybe just his parents) want more for his life. I would think this is the end for JD progaming if he doesn't get picked up by another team, and maybe even the end if he's just frustrated by the process and sees this as a good time to devote himself to a career.

(I'm a big JD fan but that's why I read his interviews too )


Well he also had that recent interview saying he was going to switch when the time was right.


From what I gather of the Korean school system, it's pretty brutal. If you fall behind early, everyone will be clawing past you. It's hyper-competitive - not a good environment for a progamer (unless you're Flash, who can succeed at everything in life).

I hope along with many others that a sponsor pick up the combined teams, dropping a few of the too expensive players to free agency. I'd like the new team to be like:

Jinair Jets (main line up)

Jaedong (Ace)
Baby
Killer
Jaehoon
Tyson
Anytime
Midas

Free Agents

Sea
Hiya
Shine
Roro
Hyun
etc
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 30 2011 04:18 GMT
#991
You know how I have the second post in this thread saying:

On August 24 2011 12:57 neobowman wrote:
=(=(=(

Noooooooo!


You know how that was written when only MBC was confirmed?

You know I am a huge Jaedong Oz fan?

F****************CKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK GREIAOUHRNEAILGHBEARUITGALERIUTGBERIUTGHNEILUGJBNESILGVREHAITREBTAIUERLERIUJGHBREAIGUTHNEATILAETHBEALIUG
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
August 30 2011 04:19 GMT
#992
Nooooooooo!!! This can not be true!!!!
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
August 30 2011 04:19 GMT
#993
I would kill to see Korean Air pick up a team
the last wcs commissioner
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 30 2011 04:20 GMT
#994
Fuck. I don't believe it, they'l sever my mainline to bw
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
August 30 2011 04:21 GMT
#995
t_t one team going down is already sad news. three teams possibly disbanding is just depressing. i hope all three teams find sponsors.
^^
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 30 2011 04:22 GMT
#996
On August 30 2011 13:15 Caladbolg wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2011 12:03 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 11:59 LegendaryZ wrote:
If Jaedong retires from BW, I can definitely see him trying his hand at SC2 like several others who've gone before him. I just can't see him as someone that won't continue his pro-gaming career on some level or another. He's just too talented for that.

Most of his interviews talk about him wanting to devote himself to studying so I'm not seeing the logic in dedicating himself to yet another video game. While he's here and the money is good, it's solid, but his interviews suggest he (or maybe just his parents) want more for his life. I would think this is the end for JD progaming if he doesn't get picked up by another team, and maybe even the end if he's just frustrated by the process and sees this as a good time to devote himself to a career.

(I'm a big JD fan but that's why I read his interviews too )


Well he also had that recent interview saying he was going to switch when the time was right.


From what I gather of the Korean school system, it's pretty brutal. If you fall behind early, everyone will be clawing past you. It's hyper-competitive - not a good environment for a progamer (unless you're Flash, who can succeed at everything in life).

I hope along with many others that a sponsor pick up the combined teams, dropping a few of the too expensive players to free agency. I'd like the new team to be like:

Jinair Jets (main line up)

Jaedong (Ace)
Baby
Killer
Jaehoon
Tyson
Anytime
Midas

Free Agents

Sea
Hiya
Shine
Roro
Hyun
etc

You say that as if Flash is the only progamer with enough mental fortitude and determination to make it in education, it's not like Jaedong lacks those traits
and I would switch Midas with Sea haha
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
repsac
Profile Joined March 2011
91 Posts
August 30 2011 04:23 GMT
#997
tha DONG to sc2!
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 30 2011 04:24 GMT
#998
I'm a little confused. The topic says "disbanded", but the article implies they only lost their sponsors and were looking for new ones. That's a fairly significant difference, isn't it?
plaszczka
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland376 Posts
August 30 2011 04:25 GMT
#999
Koreans are such a quitters!
I apologize for all my english mistakes. I used to write really good senteces in this lenguage, but nowadays, i smoke too much weed and drink too much vodka. So you must forgive me :)
PowerDes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States520 Posts
August 30 2011 04:28 GMT
#1000
EGJaedong
twitch.tv/PowerDes
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