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Page 23. If I see any more BW vs SC2 debate from that point on you will get banned.
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
August 24 2011 22:21 GMT
#261
wouldnt the most likely candidate be ACE, or does the air force count as a large corporation
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66202 Posts
August 24 2011 22:47 GMT
#262
large corporations means SKT, KT, Samsung, CJ and maybe STX?

wemade disbanding
MBC maybe
air force <-- WHAT NO WAY
stx maybe..
hwaseung doubt so
woongjin.. yes?
POGGERS
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
August 24 2011 22:52 GMT
#263
On August 25 2011 07:21 kdgns wrote:
wouldnt the most likely candidate be ACE, or does the air force count as a large corporation

Please not Ace!! FBH was finally starting to do well again
Jaedong.
Fiel
Profile Joined March 2010
United States587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:04:41
August 24 2011 23:01 GMT
#264
I have an alternate theory as to why they're shutting down BW teams. It has nothing to do with how many eyeballs are watching or the performance of teams or individual leagues. I think it has more to do with the economy than anything. I don't think its any coincidence that the golden years of BW stopped pretty much as soon as the global credit crisis occurred. Sponsors are likely heavily impacted by the tightening of credit markets worldwide making it harder to fund BW players leading to fewer teams. Also, when there's any sort of an economic downturn it rings true time and time again that entertainment businesses, such as those with BW, are hit the hardest because entertainment is the first thing to cut whether in consumer pocketbooks or corporate coffers.

Notice that the article stated that big business teams will survive. Big businesses can also afford to take on more risk and also have higher capital than small businesses. And I don't think anyone would doubt the fact that the global economy hurt smaller businesses far more than larger ones.

I don't think the spirit of BW is dying one bit. I think this article is further evidence of how hard the global economy impacted Korea. If BW dies, it won't be that no one cared about it. It will be because businesses couldn't afford to sustain it. I think once the economy improves more BW teams will appear. But for the time being I don't see BW going anywhere.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
August 24 2011 23:06 GMT
#265
Yeah, I agree with the above. Plenty of smaller companies would have been hit really hard by the recent economical trouble, so it's not really all that surprising they cut things like BW teams. It's really sad, but we need to fight to keep it alive so that when the economy improves they may pick up more teams again
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 24 2011 23:13 GMT
#266
The theory that it's the economy, not the viewership, has been floating in my mind for a while. IMO, it seems to be more likely that the sponsors are having a harder time, which is trickling down into BW and possibly even into SC2, where some teams struggle to find sponsors.

I did do a casual Google search for news about Woongjin, and the only English news I could find was a small blurb that Woongjin and other companies reported a loss this year. However, I'm not very familiar with the Korean economy, and I hope someone who has better access to such information can shed light onto whether the economic theory is more correct.
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Fiel
Profile Joined March 2010
United States587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:51:30
August 24 2011 23:49 GMT
#267
Also, to add to my argument:

In 2010 several teams were dissolved or merged. One was merged with CJ Entus due to the match fixing scandal, hite sparkyz.

The other group, eSTRO, had IEG (International E-Sports Group) stop their sponsorship. Later on, IEG went to fund a Counter-Strike team instead (and apparently it's done quite well --> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESTRO_(Clan) ).

In 2011, we've now had several small business firms remove their sponsorship from teams. Remember, while Koreans do like to see performance, they also see sponsoring BW teams as an honor-based activity (as mentioned in the Match Fixing Scandal commentators VOD), and teams have retained their sponsorships in the past even when they weren't the best in the Proleague or individual leagues. This leads me to believe that they've removed their sponsorships for other circumstances, namely the economy. Remember that the US and Korean economies are heavily entwined as are their politics, alliances, and treatise. What affects the USA heavily will also affect Korea heavily.

My point in mentioning all of this is that there is no action here that points to the decline of BW. After all, the following argument makes no sense:

Premise: One BW team dissolves due to match fixing.
Premise: One BW team dissolves due to sponsor switching to Counter-Strike
Premise: Small businesses drop out funding for Brood War, but big businesses keep their sponsorships
Therefore: Brood War is dying! Someone sound the alarm!

The above argument is especially illogical when you throw in the fact that the Proleague finals attracted 20% of the next generation of youth. I think I should reiterate that BW isn't going anywhere.
Tomfour
Profile Joined September 2010
United States173 Posts
August 25 2011 01:01 GMT
#268
Terrible news, hopefully everyone affected does fine afterwards.

With two teams now disbanding I really want to know where these players are going to go. I'm sure some are going to stick with BW, but I feel like not everyone is going to be able to find a home with how all this turns out, and even if most of their A teamers do, what will the rest do? Hopefully this isn't the end of too many nerd ballers dreams and they can continue somewhere.
XazXio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States356 Posts
August 25 2011 01:15 GMT
#269
:/ an unhappy day in esports, its like george washington died
How does food become poo?
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
August 25 2011 01:29 GMT
#270
One of the main reasons for the Korean Air Force for having a team was to be a recruiting tool for progamers (and maybe fans of E-Sports) to go to the Air Force rather than the other branches. If this is still serving as a strong tool for that then ACE will not likely disband.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 01:31:51
August 25 2011 01:31 GMT
#271
Implication of Title: BW To Fall Dead Within the Next Year
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 25 2011 01:41 GMT
#272
Fiel, I think it has more to do with the economy more than anything else. We can speculate all we want, but until it actually happens. :d
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 02:01:14
August 25 2011 01:59 GMT
#273
STX is a huge corporation. woongjin is also huge.

the smallest "corporations" left so far are hwaseung and the air force. think it'll be one of those two.

edit: with the recent controversies and probes regarding contractors for the korean military (bribery, book cooking etc etc) i wouldn't be surprised if nonessential budget allocations by the air force were audited and cut. just speculation on my part, but i think it's a significant possibility.
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
August 25 2011 02:23 GMT
#274
Man, August 31's schedule for me is:

- possible disbanding of WMF
- re-entry of Effort

..... I don't know what to feel now....
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
August 25 2011 02:28 GMT
#275
On August 25 2011 10:59 zeehar wrote:
STX is a huge corporation. woongjin is also huge.

the smallest "corporations" left so far are hwaseung and the air force. think it'll be one of those two.

edit: with the recent controversies and probes regarding contractors for the korean military (bribery, book cooking etc etc) i wouldn't be surprised if nonessential budget allocations by the air force were audited and cut. just speculation on my part, but i think it's a significant possibility.


are those two "huge" compared to KT/SKT/CJ/Samsung? It could be a relative thing.
I drop suckas like Plinko
MiraKul
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Malaysia498 Posts
August 25 2011 02:48 GMT
#276
:'( It's a downhill moment..
ovrpwrd
Speedbump
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
New Zealand338 Posts
August 25 2011 02:59 GMT
#277
It's gonna be a sad day for me if there's less than 8 teams in proleague. BW's given me many an hour of entertainment, and I hope that it shall continue to do so for many more.

My guess (apart from WMF dropping out) is that it's STX. Either way, it's not a fun thing to predict.
LanTAs
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1091 Posts
August 25 2011 03:00 GMT
#278
Wait wtf? all of the teams now are sponsored by huuuuge corporations in korea.
If you look in the super market, you will find Woongjin Drinks and foods all around, same with CJ, i love their dumplings.
SKT has teh be one of the biggest if not biggest Telecom company along with KT.
Hwaseng? Big ass corporation too
ACE is sponsored by the korean military
STX is a large shipbuilding, constructing, energy, banking, and is also in Europe too

So... Which one?
Its gonna be a big surprise, maybe STX because they have not been performing so well

JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
August 25 2011 03:00 GMT
#279
Wow. The BW scene is crumbling down...

It was good(?) while it lasted folks.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 25 2011 03:05 GMT
#280
And then there was 7..

I hope this isnt true
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