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SPL '10-'11 Year in Review, Part 1: Overview - Page 3

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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
July 18 2011 12:37 GMT
#41
Ooohhhhhhhh graphs about esports, my getting my engineeringasms!
Nice write-up too, and that Bisu too good. Hopefully the Khan rookies will all shift more towards the + column and dominate the PL next year!
[TLMS] REBOOT
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
July 18 2011 12:40 GMT
#42
fk yeah bogus. one of the few terrans i like who isn't light or really. still, had no idea kal had so many wins under his belt.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 12:46:47
July 18 2011 12:46 GMT
#43
On July 18 2011 18:08 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 16:50 mustaju wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:37 Doraemon wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?

Basically almost everything past R2 was godawful, with hints of what was to come in rounds 1&2. Suits me right hoping for an entire year for a resurgence of Calm, with slight ups and then catastrophic downs.

It wasn't as bad as being a JangBi fan must have been, but having your favorite team collapse (again) after a brief period of stability, it becoming clearer and clearer that your favorite 2 players (Calm and Kal) will likely never come fully out of their slump, and your least favorite team and player finishing multiple rounds undefeated was pretty horrendous.

And now Proleague will likely morph into even more of a 2 team (or even one team) competition. Ugh. But I guess some fans WOULD like that. -.-

It's not T1's fault that other teams are mediocre ... sry :/

Yes, it's T1's (and CJ's and to a lesser extent KT's) fault for stealing other teams' players. SKT wouldn't be so good and MBC so bad with Bisu still playing for MBC, now would they?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 18 2011 12:49 GMT
#44
MBC sadly is the best farm team, they keep losing players to teams who simply have more money.
WriterXiao8~~
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 12:54:05
July 18 2011 12:52 GMT
#45
On July 18 2011 14:12 Percutio wrote:
Thanks for the writeup and of course + Show Spoiler +
Holy hell Bisu! Why you so good?


On another note, with the super team that is now again CJ Entus, can anybody imagine what could happen if another two teams merged (Woongjin + Hwaseung = for the swarm)?

that would regroup all my favorite players on the same team but I'd rather not have proleague lose another team


On July 18 2011 21:49 Kipsate wrote:
MBC sadly is the best farm team, they keep losing players to teams who simply have more money.

MBC would dominate proleague so hard had they kept their players
Writer
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
July 18 2011 12:53 GMT
#46
On July 18 2011 14:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Baby is a legitimate ace? Are you kidding?

This. Baby can play some amazing games at times but he's far too inconsistent and unreliable to be considered a legitimate Ace. It's safe to say that WMF is at a disadvantage going into an Ace match.

Also, can someone explain to me the hype behind (P)Wooki? What has he accomplished so far?
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
July 18 2011 12:54 GMT
#47
I genuinely love your reviews, VGhost. Thank you for so much priceless stuff.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
July 18 2011 12:54 GMT
#48
On July 18 2011 21:53 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 14:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Baby is a legitimate ace? Are you kidding?

This. Baby can play some amazing games at times but he's far too inconsistent and unreliable to be considered a legitimate Ace. It's safe to say that WMF is at a disadvantage going into an Ace match.

Also, can someone explain to me the hype behind (P)Wooki? What has he accomplished so far?

8-6 record for a rookie and decent PvZs I think
Writer
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
July 18 2011 12:58 GMT
#49
On July 18 2011 14:12 Percutio wrote:
Thanks for the writeup and of course + Show Spoiler +
Holy hell Bisu! Why you so good?


On another note, with the super team that is now again CJ Entus, can anybody imagine what could happen if another two teams merged (Woongjin + Hwaseung = for the swarm)?

That would be boring because 5 out of the 7 games (4 games + ace match) are almost guaranteed to be played by zergs, and we're going to see a whole lot of ZvZ matches.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
July 18 2011 13:05 GMT
#50
really cool writeup! thanks for making it..a nice way to see how things went
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xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
July 18 2011 13:25 GMT
#51
The thing with SKT is they kinda have a corporate wage slave vibe. Like the players not being allowed to perpare for individual leagues, to have their own aspirations aside from Proleague domination. That kinda makes it less appealing than other teams
Aah thats the stuff..
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 16:16:18
July 18 2011 14:16 GMT
#52
On July 18 2011 21:24 VGhost wrote:
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On July 18 2011 13:57 Ryo wrote:
Nice writeup A couple errors though, Pusan doesn't lead MBC, Mumyung does. And Koala left the team last year during the off-season. He's currently in the army.


Fixed. I would have sworn Pusan at least started the year as the manager, and he is a coach now.

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On July 18 2011 14:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Baby is a legitimate ace? Are you kidding?


No, I'm not. Obviously he's not Flash, Bisu, or Jaedong, and Stork and Hydra are a little ahead of the rest. But he's up there there with Bogus, Sea, and ZerO, even though he doesn't play quite as many games because there's not as great a difference between him and FOX's #2. He may be the worst ace in Proleague (he's tied with ZerO the worst ace +/- this season), but there's no way he's not legitimately an ace player at this point.

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On July 18 2011 14:24 hacklebeast wrote:
Considering that all that is left of hite is the teams best terran (who happened to be the teams best player), and the teams best protoss, You could make the argument that stars and estro merged. Granted really was never as good as leta, and flying went from the best toss on the team to possibly 4th (behind grape, dear, and wooki), but they are comparable.


Wait, what? Grape = KHAN, Dear = OZ, Wooki = FOX. Flying went from best Protoss (after SangHo left) on eSTRO to 2nd or 3rd on Stars behind free and (maybe) GuemChi... this year at least Flying and GuemChi were both bad.

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On July 18 2011 16:29 Iplaythings wrote:
other than ignoring hoejja and barracks for the KT analysis (and not doing a next-year for SKT1), I think it was very well thought out and thorough write up which pretty much covered what was needed to be said, supported by some neat graphs


What am I supposed to say about T1? I think I summed it up pretty much with "looks like they'll continue to roll". I'm really not worried about fantasy, he's streaky as they come but pretty clutch - and even if he dropped off the map T1 would probably still be heavy playoff favorites.

As far as HoeJJa/BarrackS: there's not that much to say. BarrackS probably should get more play because he seems decent and KT doesn't have other Terrans besides Flash. HoeJJa is a known quantity: a ZvP sniper. But neither even got to 10 wins this season.

Maybe, but Hoejja has won as many games for KT as flash has in the playoffs so far if I am not wrong, you mentioned jangbi's resurgence even though he got smashed by SK and zero in the playoffs.

I doubt Hoejja will continue his streak as it is now, but I doubt he will go back to his slump mode again.
and just admit you forgot barracks altogether lol
In the woods, there lurks..
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
July 18 2011 14:21 GMT
#53
interesting read, but the graphs should be even to they are a little less misleading

(example being ace. the lowest is -35, so the highest should be +35... not +25)

just so visually you can see it all better.

didnt quite realize how some teams were though, and seeing the player breakdown is cool. helpful for next years fantasy maybe?
Never Forget. #TheRevolutionist
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
July 18 2011 14:51 GMT
#54
Didn't realize how good Bisu was. And dayummm so impressed with CJ! Next year will be even better!
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
shurgen
Profile Joined October 2009
350 Posts
July 18 2011 14:54 GMT
#55
On July 18 2011 21:54 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 21:53 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On July 18 2011 14:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Baby is a legitimate ace? Are you kidding?

This. Baby can play some amazing games at times but he's far too inconsistent and unreliable to be considered a legitimate Ace. It's safe to say that WMF is at a disadvantage going into an Ace match.

Also, can someone explain to me the hype behind (P)Wooki? What has he accomplished so far?

8-6 record for a rookie and decent PvZs I think


Doing well as a newer player in the "hard" match up PvZ is generally seen as a big positive.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 15:06:54
July 18 2011 15:06 GMT
#56
Thanks for writeup. Forget KTFlash and JaedongOz, let's make way for SKTisu.

+ Show Spoiler +
Dam tears.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
July 18 2011 15:11 GMT
#57
This was very very interesting. Thanks a lot!

Seeing the stats visualized like that is good for the understanding of what happens in pl. I do think that you exaggerate KT's lack of depth though. I think it is a deep team, but almost all the players have been underperforming from time to time. Since atleast two of them seemed capable of taking games very regularly at every point in time and Flash taking ace, they won very often imo. I don't think it was because of exceptional coaching.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
July 18 2011 15:23 GMT
#58
Awesome post! I was quite surprise to see T1's chart looks quite a lot like KT's.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 18 2011 15:38 GMT
#59
Really cool write-up! Great job!

But I've notice one issue: The y-axis have different range in different plots. This makes it hard to compare figures by just eyeballing. Rule number one is to have the same range.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 18 2011 15:39 GMT
#60
Nice writeup.

The one point I want to make is you talk about what each losing team needs to do in order to become a threat, but no matter how much any team improves PL is still zero-sum - something that's easy to forget with the tightly packed standings of this season. Every team could make the improvements you list and some of them will still necessarily miss the playoffs.
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