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SPL '10-'11 Year in Review, Part 1: Overview - Page 2

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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
July 18 2011 06:23 GMT
#21
Great write up - this is getting me really excited for next season.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
July 18 2011 06:26 GMT
#22
I love me some graphs. Makes it really easy to see whats going on with each team, thanks.
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
July 18 2011 06:30 GMT
#23
Awesome writeup, can't wait for the other parts!

PS to the people above mentioning Hoejja: One day, Hoejja will spearhead the rise of left-handed players everywhere... okay maybe not
VOD finder guy for sc2ratings.com/ ! aka: ogndrahcir, a9azn2 | Go ZerO, Stork, Sea, and KawaiiRice :D | nesc2league.com/forum/index.php | youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
July 18 2011 06:53 GMT
#24
Om nom nom graphs! Lookin' good
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
July 18 2011 06:58 GMT
#25
Ahh, really nice thread and graphs! Thanks for the work. <3

CJ really quite scary! (SKT will still prevail! :D)
~
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 18 2011 07:08 GMT
#26
Nice job Vghost i look forward to future parts.
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
July 18 2011 07:15 GMT
#27
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 07:32:07
July 18 2011 07:29 GMT
#28
other than ignoring hoejja and barracks for the KT analysis (and not doing a next-year for SKT1), I think it was very well thought out and thorough write up which pretty much covered what was needed to be said, supported by some neat graphs

and holy hell bisu's graph is high
In the woods, there lurks..
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 18 2011 07:37 GMT
#29
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 07:51:02
July 18 2011 07:50 GMT
#30
On July 18 2011 16:37 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?

Basically almost everything past R2 was godawful, with hints of what was to come in rounds 1&2. Suits me right hoping for an entire year for a resurgence of Calm, with slight ups and then catastrophic downs.

It wasn't as bad as being a JangBi fan must have been, but having your favorite team collapse (again) after a brief period of stability, it becoming clearer and clearer that your favorite 2 players (Calm and Kal) will likely never come fully out of their slump, and your least favorite team and player finishing multiple rounds undefeated was pretty horrendous.

And now Proleague will likely morph into even more of a 2 team (or even one team) competition. Ugh. But I guess some fans WOULD like that. -.-
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 18 2011 07:50 GMT
#31
On July 18 2011 16:37 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?

he believes SKT to be an "evil empire" (when they are actually the pioneer of eSports, a force of "good") and STX kinda sucked this year. Go figure.
Writerptrk
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
July 18 2011 08:05 GMT
#32
CJ is super scary. I just wish skyhigh would stop slumping and once effort gets back. Oh damn.
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8087 Posts
July 18 2011 08:08 GMT
#33
wow great thread. it's so neat to be able to get some real facts and numbers behind my year-end thoughts on each team lol

cant wait for part 2 :D
Free Palestine
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
July 18 2011 08:10 GMT
#34
Fantastic work and analysis. I really like the format of the graphs you have chosen. Its really easy to read and provides great direct comparisons. You can realy see which teams have depth and which teams rely on the same few players. (all right I'm sure we all knew that already but its a great visualisation of it.)

I would argue the sentence about GGameo 'who lost out as Jaedong's apprentice to Killer'. GGameo is older than Jaedong and a lot older than Killer (like 5 years) he was never gonna be an apprentice to Jaedong with Killer there. All right Killer was less than impressive at first but he's pulling it together now.

Anyway great work really awesome graphs.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
July 18 2011 09:08 GMT
#35
On July 18 2011 16:50 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 16:37 Doraemon wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?

Basically almost everything past R2 was godawful, with hints of what was to come in rounds 1&2. Suits me right hoping for an entire year for a resurgence of Calm, with slight ups and then catastrophic downs.

It wasn't as bad as being a JangBi fan must have been, but having your favorite team collapse (again) after a brief period of stability, it becoming clearer and clearer that your favorite 2 players (Calm and Kal) will likely never come fully out of their slump, and your least favorite team and player finishing multiple rounds undefeated was pretty horrendous.

And now Proleague will likely morph into even more of a 2 team (or even one team) competition. Ugh. But I guess some fans WOULD like that. -.-

It's not T1's fault that other teams are mediocre ... sry :/
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
July 18 2011 09:20 GMT
#36
On July 18 2011 18:08 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 16:50 mustaju wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:37 Doraemon wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?

Basically almost everything past R2 was godawful, with hints of what was to come in rounds 1&2. Suits me right hoping for an entire year for a resurgence of Calm, with slight ups and then catastrophic downs.

It wasn't as bad as being a JangBi fan must have been, but having your favorite team collapse (again) after a brief period of stability, it becoming clearer and clearer that your favorite 2 players (Calm and Kal) will likely never come fully out of their slump, and your least favorite team and player finishing multiple rounds undefeated was pretty horrendous.

And now Proleague will likely morph into even more of a 2 team (or even one team) competition. Ugh. But I guess some fans WOULD like that. -.-

It's not T1's fault that other teams are mediocre ... sry :/

You are right about that. It's the other teams fault for not having the money or the strength to defeat T1. Though I'm honestly curious if the natural equilibrium will be reestablished soon - The players doing better are likely to demand a raise, and some of them might migrate. Hopefully MBC will net themselves Sun back.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 09:59:12
July 18 2011 09:58 GMT
#37
On July 18 2011 18:20 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 18:08 nayumi wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:50 mustaju wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:37 Doraemon wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?

Basically almost everything past R2 was godawful, with hints of what was to come in rounds 1&2. Suits me right hoping for an entire year for a resurgence of Calm, with slight ups and then catastrophic downs.

It wasn't as bad as being a JangBi fan must have been, but having your favorite team collapse (again) after a brief period of stability, it becoming clearer and clearer that your favorite 2 players (Calm and Kal) will likely never come fully out of their slump, and your least favorite team and player finishing multiple rounds undefeated was pretty horrendous.

And now Proleague will likely morph into even more of a 2 team (or even one team) competition. Ugh. But I guess some fans WOULD like that. -.-

It's not T1's fault that other teams are mediocre ... sry :/

You are right about that. It's the other teams fault for not having the money or the strength to defeat T1. Though I'm honestly curious if the natural equilibrium will be reestablished soon - The players doing better are likely to demand a raise, and some of them might migrate. Hopefully MBC will net themselves Sun back.

SKT can keep Sun, don't want him back.

Btw, STX Cup Masters begins on 1st August. Final will be held on 27th August. Format has changed somewhat. + Show Spoiler +
xxmos will eventually post a translation I guess. It's not on DES yet.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
July 18 2011 11:49 GMT
#38
great write up.
can't wait for next part :D

Ruby will play with MBC back. I'm so glad hear it. Glad and happy :D
Learn,live and love it.
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
July 18 2011 11:53 GMT
#39
On July 18 2011 18:08 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2011 16:50 mustaju wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:37 Doraemon wrote:
On July 18 2011 16:15 mustaju wrote:
This year sucked, by and large. I'm afraid next year won't be better.


i actually quite enjoyed this year, BO7 format certainly helped. WL killed off ace unfortunately =[

and when you say sucked, is it mainly due to the protoss bonwja?

Basically almost everything past R2 was godawful, with hints of what was to come in rounds 1&2. Suits me right hoping for an entire year for a resurgence of Calm, with slight ups and then catastrophic downs.

It wasn't as bad as being a JangBi fan must have been, but having your favorite team collapse (again) after a brief period of stability, it becoming clearer and clearer that your favorite 2 players (Calm and Kal) will likely never come fully out of their slump, and your least favorite team and player finishing multiple rounds undefeated was pretty horrendous.

And now Proleague will likely morph into even more of a 2 team (or even one team) competition. Ugh. But I guess some fans WOULD like that. -.-

It's not T1's fault that other teams are mediocre ... sry :/

MBC would like to have a word with you.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 12:37:18
July 18 2011 12:24 GMT
#40
On July 18 2011 13:57 Ryo wrote:
Nice writeup A couple errors though, Pusan doesn't lead MBC, Mumyung does. And Koala left the team last year during the off-season. He's currently in the army.


Fixed. I would have sworn Pusan at least started the year as the manager, and he is a coach now.

On July 18 2011 14:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Baby is a legitimate ace? Are you kidding?


No, I'm not. Obviously he's not Flash, Bisu, or Jaedong, and Stork and Hydra are a little ahead of the rest. But he's up there there with Bogus, Sea, and ZerO, even though he doesn't play quite as many games because there's not as great a difference between him and FOX's #2. He may be the worst ace in Proleague (he's tied with ZerO the worst ace +/- this season), but there's no way he's not legitimately an ace player at this point.

On July 18 2011 14:24 hacklebeast wrote:
Considering that all that is left of hite is the teams best terran (who happened to be the teams best player), and the teams best protoss, You could make the argument that stars and estro merged. Granted really was never as good as leta, and flying went from the best toss on the team to possibly 4th (behind grape, dear, and wooki), but they are comparable.


Wait, what? Grape = KHAN, Dear = OZ, Wooki = FOX. Flying went from best Protoss (after SangHo left) on eSTRO to 2nd or 3rd on Stars behind free and (maybe) GuemChi... this year at least Flying and GuemChi were both bad.

On July 18 2011 16:29 Iplaythings wrote:
other than ignoring hoejja and barracks for the KT analysis (and not doing a next-year for SKT1), I think it was very well thought out and thorough write up which pretty much covered what was needed to be said, supported by some neat graphs


What am I supposed to say about T1? I think I summed it up pretty much with "looks like they'll continue to roll". I'm really not worried about fantasy, he's streaky as they come but pretty clutch - and even if he dropped off the map T1 would probably still be heavy playoff favorites.

As far as HoeJJa/BarrackS: there's not that much to say. BarrackS probably should get more play because he seems decent and KT doesn't have other Terrans besides Flash. HoeJJa is a known quantity: a ZvP sniper. But neither even got to 10 wins this season.
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