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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 26 2011 05:32 GMT
#1
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Thanks to disciple for the banner!


Hello all again. I'm ]343[ with yet another set of good excuses for why we don't have a real MSL post out before the Jaedong vs Zero match that's happening today! Though we're out of school now, I have work, flamewheel's been off at TL HQ (lucky... congratulate him on becoming blue!), nbaker has written something, but not enough for a whole post, and contagi0n (who we are borrowing from the non-existent OSL) has disappeared to some exotic land for a while. So umm... sorry!

Also, I decided to waste my 5000th post on this because I have nothing better to talk about [except maybe math, but no one wants to hear about that... plus I don't know any math. Maybe if I had actually learned Galois theory instead of half-learning it I can maybe tell you the Main Theorem and some stuff about automorphism groups... ugh. Should've brought my algebra book home T.T] Be sure to check out my 4999th post as well, which did not contribute at all to the thread, but may prove amusing to some of you.

Now for your viewing / arguing / flaming pleasure, without further ado, here's my set of predictions for the Semifinals of the ABCMart MSL!




Semifinal Predictions





Match A:
May 26, 2011, 1800 KST
(Z)Jaedong <Dante's Peak SE> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Jaedong <Circuit Breaker> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Jaedong <La Mancha> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Jaedong <Monte Cristo> (Z)ZerO
(Z)Jaedong <Dante's Peak SE> (Z)ZerO

May 26th 18:00 KST

Jaedong ZvZ
Overall: 153-51 (75.00%)
Last 10: 6-4 (L W W W W L W L W L)

ZerO ZvZ
Overall: 83-82 (50.30%)
Last 10: 6-4 (L W W L L W W L W W)

Head-to-head*: Jaedong 11-4 ZerO


       We kick off the MSL Semifinals with yet another ZvZ Bo5. It's the second this season, sixth this year, and twelfth since Calm won the Avalon MSL two years ago. Bleargh. At least a few have been interesting--Calm vs Jaedong in Avalon and Great vs ZerO in PDPop come to mind--so hopefully this one will exceed our expectations for the "coin-flip" micro-fest that is ZvZ.

       The big favorite, as usual, is our KeSPA #1, Power Rank #1, all-time best ZvZer Lee Jae Dong. Boasting a peak ZvZ ELO of 2341 (the second-best Zerg killer of all time, edged out only by Flash; higher than Bisu's PvZ peak by 25 points and the next best ZvZer, YellOw, by 92), three separate 10+-game ZvZ win streaks in his career, and an amazing 35-7 (83%) record in the year leading up to his ELO peak--all in what is considered the biggest coinflip matchup in Brood War--JvZ has always been a wonder to behold. Alas, the Dong has fallen off recently, winning only 63% of his ZvZs this year!... How terrible for Jaedong! Sarcasm aside, and more pertinently, Jaedong dropped a ZvZ Bo5 just last season to Hydra, while losing 3 of his last 5 mirror matchups. People have called him "shaky" in the matchup. Boo-hoo. Jaedong is still Jaedong, and it would be a huge upset if he dropped the series.

       Is ZerO the man to pull it off, just as Hydra did last year? Unfortunately, Kim Myung Woon has been cursed by an eternal 50% win rate in his mirror matchup.
From the MSL Ro8 Interview by doothegee:
- Do you know that both your career ZvZ rate and MSL rate are at 50%?
▲ Really was known for always staying at a 50% win rate, and I think it's become worse after he moved to our team. Recently he's been complaining that his bed is uncomfortable and sleeping in my bed instead, and I think I got his energy when he did that. Of course, I don't sleep with him, and I run away to some other room (laughs).


       But who doesn't love Zero, especially for quotes like the one above and for being so cute (except + Show Spoiler [here] +
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)? More importantly, when the Prince of Queens is on his game, he can beat anyone. (On second thought, why'd I include Stork there? Zero hasn't lost to Stork in a while...) So I hope Zero brings his A-game Thursday, like he did in the quarterfinals, for his own sake and the sake of all the fans.

       But really, I don't think the Queen of Zerg will take out the Tyrant (so chauvinistic of me ). I predict he'll end up at 50% again. Too bad he passed 50-50 when he beat Calm...

Prediction: Jaedong 3-2 ZerO


*In KeSPA-sanctioned games.



Match B:
June 2, 2011, 1800 KST
(Z)Hydra <La Mancha> (T)Flash
(Z)Hydra <Monte Cristo> (T)Flash
(Z)Hydra <Circuit Breaker> (T)Flash
(Z)Hydra <Dante's Peak SE> (T)Flash
(Z)Hydra <La Mancha> (T)Flash

Hydra ZvT:
Overall: 20-15 (57.14%)
Last 10: 6-4 (L W W L L L W W W W)

Flash TvZ:
Overall: 131-55 (70.43%)
Last 10: 8-2 (W W W W L W L W W W)

Head-to-head: Hydra 0-1 Flash


       The defending MSL champion faces off against the other best vZ player of all time. FvZ is a bit different from JvZ though, since Flash has the advantage of a more stable matchup. He has lost to only 10 Zergs since being eliminated from the Incruit OSL by GGPlay. That was October 2008. Other than his few random losses--featuring a failed 8rax against Hyuk, a tough loss to Battle Royal OversKy, and unexpectely inspired play by hyvaa and HyuN--Flash has, in that timespan, lost only to Jaedong (against whom he is 17-14), EffOrt (6-6), Calm (6-4), Kwanro (8-3), Zero (3-3), and YellOw[ArnC] (2-1). He's played epic games against five of those latter six (all except YarnC who's a match-fixer anyway... sigh.) But like Jaedong, Flash is faltering just a bit compared to his usual invincible play; JD tore him apart in their last two meetings. Despite his W's, his play against Zerg recently has just seemed... not quite as terrifying as it could have been. I'd like to blame his wrist and all, but maybe he's just getting figured out.

Hydra, on the other hand, has been putting rumors of his weak ZvT to rest, scalping Mind, Bogus (did you know Bogus is actually pretty good!?), and even Light in the past month. Even more impressively, he played really well! Hydra ran the gamut from early lings against Light to beating Mind's late mechanic on La Mancha of all maps (and in case you didn't know, mech is why La Mancha is 26-18 TvZ...), showing that perhaps he has a chance after all. And of course, Hydra's goal this MSL is clearly to take out all the TBLS; he's already knocked out the Protoss ones, directly or otherwise, and his eye is on the goal. Effort's around to help, too, so don't count Hydra out quite yet. This is shaping up to be a great series.

I'd still rather not see a ZvZ final though (even if it's a Hydra vs Jaedong rematch.) And I'm sure Flash wouldn't either.

Prediction: Flash 3-2 Hydra


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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
May 26 2011 05:38 GMT
#2
<]343[>spam spam http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226656
<]343[> by spam i mean not spam
Doing as directed!

sick write up tho. i think jaedong vs zero is about the best possible zvz that could happen right now :O
jvf finals plz!
if hydra beats flash i'll cry myself to sleep each night for a month
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Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1321 Posts
May 26 2011 05:38 GMT
#3
Bleh, I need to go to bed soon and I'm sad that I'm missing this :<.
I'm predicting a 3-1 for both JD and Flash though.
nope
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
May 26 2011 05:40 GMT
#4
I'm worried for Flash . I hope that his wrist/pinky problems are not that much serious.
+ Show Spoiler +
It's kinda ok if Flash loses this because ABC mart MSL Champion doesn't sound that awesome but Go Flash Go!!!
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 26 2011 05:41 GMT
#5
Flash better win because ZvZ finals are lame
JD should win too
Flash and JD can produce epic games, just not very frequently, let's roll the dice one more time baby!
brood war for life, brood war forever
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 05:46:47
May 26 2011 05:46 GMT
#6
I'm sure Flash's wrist wont keep him from kicking ass but if somehow he had any issues and it was a zvz MSL final that would be really crappy, at least for me lol. But I don't think Flash will have any issues with Hydra, also I love Monte Cristo I can't wait to see that game especially! (edit:spelling)
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
May 26 2011 05:48 GMT
#7
Well it's looking like JvF finals again, sigh... hopefully ZerO will be able to pull something out tonight! Curses ZvZ, why must you ruin ZerO every single time D: ...
PS: You can do this Kim Myung Woon!
VOD finder guy for sc2ratings.com/ ! aka: ogndrahcir, a9azn2 | Go ZerO, Stork, Sea, and KawaiiRice :D | nesc2league.com/forum/index.php | youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
May 26 2011 05:48 GMT
#8
3 More hours.....im so stoked :D

hoping for a 3-2 series tonight! :D
Jaedong :3
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
May 26 2011 05:49 GMT
#9
Nice write up.
Hydra is looking scary lately but i believe in Flash. JD 3-1-Zero Flash 3-2 Hydra.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 26 2011 05:50 GMT
#10
I don't want to see another upset. I was so sad for JD after last MSL
JD 3-1 ZerO

Flash will just stomp Hydra 3-0. Oh well, Hydra might take the game on Monte Cristo since it seems to be heavily Z imbalanced even though the amount of games isn't significant. But with Dante's Peak and La Mancha (x2), I can't see Flash not advancing to finals.
ॐ
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
May 26 2011 06:01 GMT
#11
Want to see Jaedong in a final so bad. Jesus
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
May 26 2011 06:03 GMT
#12
Jae-dong, Jae-dong!!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 26 2011 06:07 GMT
#13
Jaedong 3-1
Flash 3-1
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
zlosynus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Czech Republic339 Posts
May 26 2011 06:22 GMT
#14
On May 26 2011 14:50 endy wrote:
I don't want to see another upset. I was so sad for JD after last MSL
JD 3-1 ZerO


Agree, JD has win this and get another gold!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 26 2011 06:32 GMT
#15
I'm surprised you're predicting Zero to take 2 games off of Jaedong. I think it's about a 50% chance he gets swept by JvZ. Hydra will have some tricky stuff prepared for Flash but even if Flash doesn't play his best (and I think he will) games 1 and 5 are on La Mancha so Hydra really has no chance.
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
May 26 2011 06:55 GMT
#16
Great writeup! I don't care about the score, just as long as we have another FvJ finals!
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
May 26 2011 07:18 GMT
#17
Hydra vs Flash is going to be really great, if Hydra beats flash and then Jaedong in the finals I think we may have a new zerg king!
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 07:36:22
May 26 2011 07:35 GMT
#18
edit: wrong section delete plz
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kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
May 26 2011 08:00 GMT
#19
On May 26 2011 15:55 4vvhiplash7 wrote:
Great writeup! I don't care about the score, just as long as we have another FvJ finals!

I don't care about the score as long as JD is in the finals. If hydra wins, JD gets a chance at revenge. If Flash wins, JD gets a chance at revenge. Either way, he has a chance at winning the MSL golden badge against the most terrifying competition he has ever faced.

If JD happens to lose against Zero, Flash must win. Hydra vs. Zero would be about as shitty as the last final for me. But if that's what happens, we can't really complain, so meh.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
May 26 2011 08:04 GMT
#20
I wish oh so badly that JD will get the gold this time..
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
May 26 2011 08:04 GMT
#21
Man there's such a good chance for a FvJ. I'm fairly confident Flash will beat Hydra but JD vs Zero is more volatile... Not that I doubt the dong of course but still, it's ZvZ and considering last MSL..

JD you need show those doubters that you are king and own Flash 3-0!
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
May 26 2011 08:10 GMT
#22
ZerO 3-1 Jaedong
Flash 3-0 Hydra
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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 10:48:48
May 26 2011 10:04 GMT
#23
Man where is all the live reporting? No one wants to watch zvz ro4 I guses. It's also 5 am est. Does anyone know what the build orders were there? 12 pool vs 12 pool? Their hatchery timings seemed equal but then spores from jaedong confused me, measurably. Edit: I see that this isn't the proper thread for live reporting. Mmm.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#24
On May 26 2011 17:10 ICanFlyLow wrote:
ZerO 3-1 Jaedong
Flash 3-0 Hydra


hoho let's see if this man is 2 for 2
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Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
May 27 2011 00:05 GMT
#25
This is all your fault, you jinxed JD!

..ok, ignore me, I'm randomly lashing out searching for reasons. Why, JD, why?
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 13:04:35
June 03 2011 13:03 GMT
#26
On May 26 2011 23:04 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 17:10 ICanFlyLow wrote:
ZerO 3-1 Jaedong
Flash 3-0 Hydra


hoho let's see if this man is 2 for 2


Indeed. Do i get a special TL icon now?
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KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
June 03 2011 13:58 GMT
#27
Guess not Next time ill predict the whole OSL.
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Nukid
Profile Joined April 2010
United States240 Posts
June 03 2011 14:46 GMT
#28
On June 03 2011 22:58 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Guess not Next time ill predict the whole OSL.


so what is the MSL Final going to be? Flash 3-1 Zero?
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:14:35
June 03 2011 17:03 GMT
#29
On (T)JuNe 03 2011 23:46 Nukid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (T)JuNe 03 2011 22:58 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Guess not Next time ill predict the whole OSL.


so what is the MSL Final going to be? (T)Flash 3-1 (Z)ZerO?


Skipping the details. Id say (Z)ZerO will 3-1 (T)Flash, slight chance of a 3-2 but (Z)ZerO is gonna take it no matter what.

My prediciton for the finals are: (Z)ZerO 3-1 (T)Flash

I see (Z)ZerOs playstyle as something (T)Flash has alot of difficulties with.
asdasdasdasdasd123123123
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
June 03 2011 17:13 GMT
#30
i hope you're right icanflylow
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 03 2011 17:22 GMT
#31
On June 04 2011 02:03 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (T)JuNe 03 2011 23:46 Nukid wrote:
On (T)JuNe 03 2011 22:58 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Guess not Next time ill predict the whole OSL.


so what is the MSL Final going to be? (T)Flash 3-1 (Z)ZerO?


Skipping the details. Id say (Z)ZerO will 3-1 (T)Flash, slight chance of a 3-2 but (Z)ZerO is gonna take it no matter what.

My prediciton for the finals are: (Z)ZerO 3-1 (T)Flash

I see (Z)ZerOs playstyle as something (T)Flash has alot of difficulties with.


I agree, but given Flash's wrist conditions, Flash knows that he has to bio in order to win. I know that if Flash meches, Zer0 gets a free win unless he screws up big time. So really, its up to Zero to prepare against bio play moreso than mech play. (Queens, remember XD)
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 19:02:21
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#32
On June 04 2011 02:03 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On (T)JuNe 03 2011 23:46 Nukid wrote:
On (T)JuNe 03 2011 22:58 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Guess not Next time ill predict the whole OSL.


so what is the MSL Final going to be? (T)Flash 3-1 (Z)ZerO?


Skipping the details. Id say (Z)ZerO will 3-1 (T)Flash, slight chance of a 3-2 but (Z)ZerO is gonna take it no matter what.

My prediciton for the finals are: (Z)ZerO 3-1 (T)Flash

I see (Z)ZerOs playstyle as something (T)Flash has alot of difficulties with.


After some more indepth research ive decided to change my prediction to ZerO 3-2 Flash.

0-1 Flash
Zero 1-1
1-2 Flash
ZerO 2-2
ZerO 3-2
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