[MSL] Ro4 Schedule

On May 23 2011 14:28 NicksonReyes wrote:
The vod says Day 2 is 6/2/11 unless I'm a noob
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On May 23 2011 14:39 blade55555 wrote:
Its all going to be played on the same day? by this I mean not just 1 game If so awesome :D

On May 23 2011 15:24 Roffles wrote:
Would be nice if the thread could get a title change to just Ro4 Schedule.

On May 23 2011 16:20 Yxes2211 wrote:
Why would Hydra not thumb down La Mancha? Not only do Zergs seem to have trouble, but Flash is the winning-est player on that map >.>

Tho i think most of his wins are TvTs

On May 23 2011 17:24 Eywa- wrote:
JvF finals and Jaedong is going to win.

On May 23 2011 17:24 Eywa- wrote:
JvF finals and Jaedong is going to win.

On May 23 2011 18:54 Thorin wrote:
Boggles my mind that there are people out there who don't want to see Flash vs. Jaedong in the final.

Who is the best player in the world? Flash
Who is the player with the best chance of beating Flash in a Bo5? Jaedong
Who is the player who can tie NaDa's # of finals if he reaches this MSL final? Jaedong
Who are the two players one MSL gold away from the golden badge? Flash and Jaedong
Who are the two players on gold away from tying NaDa's # of individual titles? Flash and Jaedong

Why would anyone want to see lesser players luckily get past the better players? If two guys are #1 and #2 in the world then I want to see them play, nevermind if they've played 10 times before or 10,000. Every time there's an FvJ final there's always at least one map which is an instant classic, with the exception of Hana Daetoo, and usually the others are won by sheer brilliance by one player or the other.

There's a really unhealthy mindset out there where people pull for every underdog to win, call any game their player doesn't win boring, call every game that isn't a 40 minute macro war boring and desire every player to get a title. If one guy is the #1 player in the world by far I'd much rather see him win every single title from now till the end of BW.

There's a good chance Flash and Jaedong could go down as the two greatest players of all time so every final they play means something and you can go back and get something extra out of it over time. If some guy makes one final, loses to F/J 1-3 and then never returns it really mean a whole lot. Who goes back and watches that Flash vs. Movie OSL final and thinks it has replay value?

People are free to enjoy the game however they please but it seems fairly unsophisticated and at least a little ignorant to flat out spurn excellence in favour of flukes, upsets or the novelty factor of new faces.

On May 23 2011 18:54 Thorin wrote:
Boggles my mind that there are people out there who don't want to see Flash vs. Jaedong in the final.

Who is the best player in the world? Flash
Who is the player with the best chance of beating Flash in a Bo5? Jaedong
Who is the best ZvT player of all time? Jaedong
Who is the best TvZ player of all time? Flash
Who is the player who can tie NaDa's # of finals if he reaches this MSL final? Jaedong
Who are the two players one MSL gold away from the golden badge? Flash and Jaedong
Who are the two players one gold away from tying NaDa's # of individual titles? Flash and Jaedong

Why would anyone want to see lesser players luckily get past the better players? If two guys are #1 and #2 in the world then I want to see them play, nevermind if they've played 10 times before or 10,000. Every time there's an FvJ final there's always at least one map which is an instant classic, with the exception of Hana Daetoo, and usually the others are won by sheer brilliance by one player or the other.

There's a really unhealthy mindset out there where people pull for every underdog to win, call any game their player doesn't win boring, call every game that isn't a 40 minute macro war boring and desire every player to get a title. If one guy is the #1 player in the world by far I'd much rather see him win every single title from now till the end of BW.

There's a good chance Flash and Jaedong could go down as the two greatest players of all time so every final they play means something and you can go back and get something extra out of it over time. If some guy makes one final, loses to F/J 1-3 and then never returns it really mean a whole lot. Who goes back and watches that Flash vs. Movie OSL final and thinks it has replay value?

People are free to enjoy the game however they please but it seems fairly unsophisticated and at least a little ignorant to flat out spurn excellence in favour of flukes, upsets or the novelty factor of new faces. Now if Hydra/Zero outplay Flash/Jaedong in their Bo5 then great, they deserve to be in the final without a doubt. But imo the, perhaps subtle, difference is that I'm pulling for great BW to be played rather than one player or another to win at all costs.

Put most simply: If you think FvJ finals are boring I'm really not sure what you're actually getting from pro BW. This isn't a soap opera.

Who goes back and watches that Flash vs. Movie OSL final and thinks it has replay value?

On May 23 2011 23:30 HighTemper wrote:
YAY, both semis at 1800 KST!!

Based on ELO, I do not see how the underdogs can win the series against the best TvZ and ZvZ of all time in a Bo5.

Current ELO
Flash vZ 2310 vs Hydra vT 2133
Jaedong vZ 2240 vs ZerO vZ 2093

Got to be the one of the most unexpected upset in history of BW if Zero or Hydra got to the finals.

On May 24 2011 00:21 Ryo wrote:
I hope Jaedong makes it to the finals. Please, for the sake of MSL.

On May 23 2011 14:03 aimaimaim wrote:
3 days of no BW

On May 23 2011 23:59 Elroi wrote:
Thanks for this. TL calendar sucks so hard recently

On May 24 2011 03:54 jalstar wrote:
Is this the first time that a league has had 3/4 semifinalists come back? Jaedong, ZerO, and Hydra that is.

On May 24 2011 00:34 Chef wrote:

Try keeping up with proleague. You'll wish you had 3 days off. Other than that there's always the great games archive and former finals you've missed.

On May 24 2011 02:57 Yxes2211 wrote:
I dunno if ZerO would do well in a finals against Flash... I know he has the skills to put up amazing matches against Flash, but ZerO gets so damn hesitant in the semis and I would assume that would carry over to the finals. That said, if there was any player I would accept JD losing to (after a few days to cope), it would be ZerO.

BUT! How can people not want the most hyped finals of all time? If JvF meet, it will srsly be the most hyped finals ever when you look at whats at stake for the two players. Sure it COULD end up like HD MSL, but it could also end up like Bigfile. Go back and watch Bigfile and compare JD's ZvT to his current ZvT. It's like taking a very big club (Yeah its effective and gets the job done but it bulky and rough) and making it into a sword (Now its a effective, precise, and beautiful). Ok... bad analogy, but JD's ZvT has refined the Bigfile ZvT that took god-mode Flash to game 5

Let's face it, another JvF finals it worth it, if only for the hype!

On May 23 2011 18:54 Thorin wrote:
Boggles my mind that there are people out there who don't want to see Flash vs. Jaedong in the final.

Who is the best player in the world? Flash
Who is the player with the best chance of beating Flash in a Bo5? Jaedong
Who is the best ZvT player of all time? Jaedong
Who is the best TvZ player of all time? Flash
Who is the player who can tie NaDa's # of finals if he reaches this MSL final? Jaedong
Who are the two players one MSL gold away from the golden badge? Flash and Jaedong
Who are the two players one gold away from tying NaDa's # of individual titles? Flash and Jaedong

Why would anyone want to see lesser players luckily get past the better players? If two guys are #1 and #2 in the world then I want to see them play, nevermind if they've played 10 times before or 10,000. Every time there's an FvJ final there's always at least one map which is an instant classic, with the exception of Hana Daetoo, and usually the others are won by sheer brilliance by one player or the other.

There's a really unhealthy mindset out there where people pull for every underdog to win, call any game their player doesn't win boring, call every game that isn't a 40 minute macro war boring and desire every player to get a title. If one guy is the #1 player in the world by far I'd much rather see him win every single title from now till the end of BW.

There's a good chance Flash and Jaedong could go down as the two greatest players of all time so every final they play means something and you can go back and get something extra out of it over time. If some guy makes one final, loses to F/J 1-3 and then never returns it really mean a whole lot. Who goes back and watches that Flash vs. Movie OSL final and thinks it has replay value?

People are free to enjoy the game however they please but it seems fairly unsophisticated and at least a little ignorant to flat out spurn excellence in favour of flukes, upsets or the novelty factor of new faces. Now if Hydra/Zero outplay Flash/Jaedong in their Bo5 then great, they deserve to be in the final without a doubt. But imo the, perhaps subtle, difference is that I'm pulling for great BW to be played rather than one player or another to win at all costs.

Put most simply: If you think FvJ finals are boring I'm really not sure what you're actually getting from pro BW. This isn't a soap opera.

On May 24 2011 05:35 tedster wrote:


Actually, Boxer vs. Yellow would be the most hyped finals of all time, and really there have been other rivalries with more "exitement factor". I would say even the first time we had JvF finals was more hyped. Now it's a rivalry, with a lot on the line, but it's no longer anything beyond the status quo.

Seriously, Jaedong vs. Flash for like the fourth time in 2 years, or....

(T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw
(Z)sAviOr > (P)Nal_rA (holy wars!)
Fantasy vs Stork silver surfer rematch
(Z)Jaedong > (T)Fantasy (right after Proleague grand finals drama)
sAviOr > (T)NaDa
(T)iloveoov > (Z)July (golden mouse on the line for July vs. his rival who had never lost in the finals)
(T)iloveoov > (T)BoxeR (seriously wtf so hype)
(T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw (again)

I know that, for people who have only followed the game very recently and really only pay attention to the very top modern players, there's probably some good hype for yet another JvF, but it's not even close to the "most hyped" finals especially considering it's something that we've come to take for granted.

On May 23 2011 18:54 Thorin wrote:
Why would anyone want to see lesser players luckily get past the better players? If two guys are #1 and #2 in the world then I want to see them play, nevermind if they've played 10 times before or 10,000. Every time there's an FvJ final there's always at least one map which is an instant classic, with the exception of Hana Daetoo, and usually the others are won by sheer brilliance by one player or the other.