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gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
April 19 2011 00:40 GMT
#121
No, I think many of the ace players are over valued.

The expensive players could be worth it because of the ace match bonus.

There are some potential ace players who are relatively cheap. Like light and free and leta. But who knows if they'll actually be played
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 00:46:48
April 19 2011 00:43 GMT
#122
On April 19 2011 09:06 salito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 08:55 bearbuddy wrote:
On April 19 2011 08:38 salito wrote:
On April 19 2011 08:07 aimaimaim wrote:
On April 19 2011 07:50 salito wrote:
On April 19 2011 07:39 aimaimaim wrote:
On April 19 2011 07:30 salito wrote:
Can anyone explain why the $ value of players from last season is completely incorrect?

http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=9&s=0&d=0

i.e. Flash was 13, Bisu 13, Stats 4, Stork 7, Jaedong 11.

Why are the values altered?


Even in Fantasy proleague we need balance.

top players are usually very high during WL because they can get multi kills. And they change because players may have done greatly or poorly last season that their value corresponds with their recent performance..


I'm not talking about this season. I'm saying that the values from LAST SEASON are incorrect RIGHT NOW.

Guys, what do you think about (T)Really vs. (T)Light? Both are pretty good, on the same team, and of similar value.


They change their value now because of their performance last season! Thus their change! and the question you asked regarding bisu and flash, for example, was 13 and now they are 9 is because they wont be hogging kills anymore! but they are still the top of the league.


You're misunderstanding me. I'll try one more time. I understand that the $ value of players changes each season based on their performance during prior seasons.

Click this. http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Stats.php?r=9&s=0&d=0

These are the stats from the end of last season. Look at the $ column. Take Flash. He is listed as $14. This is incorrect as at the start of last season, he was $13. No change should be observed as $ value stays constant for the duration of the season; it has no factor in trades as trade value is used to calculate legal trades. $ value does not fluctuate. Trade value fluctuates as the season goes on.

My question is why do the $ values at the end of last season not match up with the $ values at the beginning of last season. Please completely disregard this season's $ value. The reason I want to know the correct $ values of last season is to determine which players over performed or under performed last season, and by how much. It is impossible to do this with the current incorrect $ values. Take Stats. He is listed as $8 when he was actually $4. You cannot see how much of a bargain he was last season (25-9 record) because last season's $ values are screwed up.

Sorry if this was unclear.


You can look at trade values to see how well they performed through the season. Since the original price is not exactly empirical and it's up to the mod's discretion, there really isn't an exact formula to calculate that number.


Looking at trade value does not help at all. If I wanted to see how well they performed through the season, I can just look at points. I want to know who over performed and who under performed.

I don't know how $ value is calculated. I assumed there was a formula, and not a subjective standard. You say it is up to the discretion of a mod. Can anyone confirm this?


The Luxury Chaos Theory Typifies how the value is assigned. The "expected score" is a projection, so it has to be subjective.

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On January 20 2010 19:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
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On January 20 2010 18:54 Scorch wrote:
Is there a textual list of player/team prices somewhere? I like experimenting in notepad.

The prices aren't based on Round 2 of Proleague, right? I mean, Luxury costs 5...

<font size=3>Luxury Chaos Theory: Origins</font>

FPL1: Luxury Price: $6, expected to score ~30 points
Luxury goes 3-6, scores 17 points, drops to $3 price

Luxury just moved to KTF, and had a lot of hype surrounding this trade. He immediately disappoints all his fantasy owners.

FPL2: Luxury Price: $3, expected to score ~15 points
Luxury goes 10-6, scores 30 points, jumps to $5 price

Luxury is one of the biggest gainers and boosts several owners into the Top 10.

FPL3: Luxury Price: $5, expected to score ~25 points
Luxury goes 1-8, scores 7 points, drops to $1 price

Luxury single handedly trainwrecks several hundred teams. Luxury's next season $1 price seems to low, and we want to adjust him higher, but he sucked SO much in FPL3 that we can't bring ourselves to boost him higher than $2.

FPL4: Luxury Price: $2, expected to score ~10 points
Luxury goes 4-2 with many team wins and streak/breaks, scores 23 points, jumps to $5 price

Luxury Alternator Theory is born. Luxury will alternate values between good and bad every round. Unlucky owners have chosen wrong FOUR straight times on him, but now, finally, they know what to expect. He's just had a good season, so he's due for a bad one. Many owners put him on their anti team.

FPL5: Luxury Price: $5, expected to score ~25 points
Luxury goes 7-2, scores 34 pts, actually exceeding last round's projection (price to $6)

In true Luxury fashion, he does the most inconsistent, unpredictable thing for Luxury: he suddenly becomes consistent, and screws over all the owners who picked him for Anti. Now, with KT rising and Luxury doing well two straight seasons, many owners pick him up.

FPL6: Luxury Price: $6; expected to score ~30 points
Luxury goes 1-4, scores 6 pts, ends at $1 trade value

In a big "F U" to all his owners, Luxury quickly reverts to his old form. Even though KT went 7-4, Luxury still sucked. Luxury Chaos Theory is born. Theorum states that Luxury performance cannot be predicted or compensated for. No matter what you do, he will score the opposite of what you predict. To save headaches and time, Fantasy creators will perpetually price him at $5.

FPL7: Price: Luxury Price: $5, expected to score ~25 points
Luxury goes ??


Don't know what you're exactly looking for in the performance in the previous season, but trade value goes up and down depending on the performance. The trade value is linked with initial worth and gauges how much the players are worth during the run. Hence, if a player is over performing (or simply getting better), the price will go up, etc. etc.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
April 19 2011 00:44 GMT
#123
On April 19 2011 06:05 Phelix wrote:
Picnic Garden

Main Team
1 (P)Tempest
3 (P)BeSt
1 (T)Canata
5 (P)free
9 (P)Stork (captain)
8 (Z)ZerO
3 Samsung

Anti Team
5 (P)Horang2
5 (P)Jaehoon
3 (Z)Saint

Stork was an obvious choice for me as captain, since he is the cheapest of the TBLS. With Winners League being over, BeSt will be relegated to map sniping, which bodes well for him, as his strong PvT and PvP will take over. Canata was just a fanboy pick, after all, I am his #1 fan. ZerO is the crutch of Woongjin, success or failure depends on him even though Woongjin has a deep lineup. Tempest for KT win points.

I think free will do well in this format as well; he seems to be the RoRo/Shine of this season, many will put him on anti, many will put him on main, and he will tend to screw up both sides. I hope for the anti-free fans to regret putting free on their antis.

Anti-team seems simple for me, I feel that Horang2 won't be successful, Jaehoon will be Jaehoon, and Saint won't get much playing time or lose.


Dude canata is not going to be playing, he's going to ace but haven't been put on their roster yet
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 01:44:18
April 19 2011 01:32 GMT
#124
Dongtastic Stars

Main Team
4 (Z)Crazy-Hydra
2 (P)Grape
5 (P)Horang2
11 (Z)Jaedong (captain)
3 (T)Reality
1 (P)sHy
4 Hwaseung

Anti Team
2 (T)BarrackS
5 (P)Jaehoon
6 (Z)Killer



Well, i chose OZ and Jaedong beause i'm a die-hard fanboy, but with just 15 points left, i went for cheap good players. I chose SHy because i think he has the talent to become the best protoss in Oz, and he's certainly better than Pefectman. Also, a 40% wins player for just one unit is a real deal. I took Grape because he's quite good, but not formidable. It seems to me there's quite a bunch of good young protosses, none of them S-code material, but they will be very good A-teamers. but he's the second best protoss at Samsung Khan and he has a great teacher. With Stork going on a little slump, i think he could become even more important for them.
(Z)Crazy-Hydra was a close call. I actually wanted to take Action, but i didn't had enough money... still, Action is as irregular as (Z)Crazy-Hydra seems to be, and i believe he has some talent (the nice all-kill certainly counts). The roster of KT is terribly small, so i'm pretty sure he's going to have a lot of play time.
Horang2 is an all around solid player, with good mechanics. He's not really impressive, but for just 5 points, he's a good deal.
Well, and here i'm with just 3 points and not erran players. That let me with Skyhigh, a good terran on a terrible slump, Sand two terrans that are not even sure to play. I took Reality because he's younger and seems more talented (and he also beat Ssak recently).

For my anti-team, i took (T)BarrackS because h's not going to see playtime, and if he does, he will lose terribly.
I also took two players that are BAD (mark my words for roro) and seems grossly over-rated, (Z)s2 and Roro.

But then, i realize (P)Jaehoon was valued at 5 points (!) and (Z)Killer at 6 points. They are actually worst than s2 and Roro.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 01:47:21
April 19 2011 01:47 GMT
#125
Never diss Roro and Jaehoon ..

and don't forget, s2 made T1 won the winner's league. and these guys are going to be fielded all the time, try to pick players who's gonna be least picked! :D

Like C-H for example
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 19 2011 02:03 GMT
#126
On April 19 2011 10:47 aimaimaim wrote:
Never diss Roro and Jaehoon ..

and don't forget, s2 made T1 won the winner's league. and these guys are going to be fielded all the time, try to pick players who's gonna be least picked! :D

Like C-H for example


For anti-teams, you mean?

Who would put s2 on their anti? O.o
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
April 19 2011 02:11 GMT
#127
On April 19 2011 10:32 legaton wrote:But then, i realize (P)Jaehoon was valued at 5 points (!) and (Z)Killer at 6 points. They are actually worst than s2 and Roro.


Harem should be onto you soon.
Writer
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
April 19 2011 02:18 GMT
#128
On April 19 2011 10:32 legaton wrote:
Dongtastic Stars

Main Team
4 (Z)Crazy-Hydra
2 (P)Grape
5 (P)Horang2
11 (Z)Jaedong (captain)
3 (T)Reality
1 (P)sHy
4 Hwaseung

Anti Team
2 (T)BarrackS
5 (P)Jaehoon
6 (Z)Killer


For my anti-team, i took (T)BarrackS because h's not going to see playtime, and if he does, he will lose terribly.
I also took two players that are BAD (mark my words for roro) and seems grossly over-rated, (Z)s2 and Roro.

But then, i realize (P)Jaehoon was valued at 5 points (!) and (Z)Killer at 6 points. They are actually worst than s2 and Roro.


Yeah good luck with that antiteam LOLOLOLOL

Jaehoon and Killer will get WAY more points than s2/Roro...
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 19 2011 02:45 GMT
#129
TheTeam

Main Team
6 (Z)Calm
4 (T)firebathero
3 (T)Midas
5 (T)Mind
5 (P)Movie (captain)
3 (Z)Shine
4 KT

Anti Team
4 (Z)great
6 (T)Light
3 (T)Ssak

First of all, i've always felt that KT was an imba team, and that an ace match situation is a gaunteed win.
This may not prove worthy but I love the shit out of Movie despite his mediocre stats.
Calm just 2-0'd his MSL group
Firebathero will pretty much be a garunteed play on ACE, and he's been doing well
Midas was cheap, and he plays far better than most of the other 3's
mind 2-0'd his MSL group after a win against Stork
I also love shine the same way i love movie, just not quite as much.

Great just failed to get out of his MSL group, and was Overpriced.
There's always a possibility of Light facing a protoss.
Ssak, well, he's ssak.
☺
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
April 19 2011 03:40 GMT
#130
On April 19 2011 11:03 mizU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 10:47 aimaimaim wrote:
Never diss Roro and Jaehoon ..

and don't forget, s2 made T1 won the winner's league. and these guys are going to be fielded all the time, try to pick players who's gonna be least picked! :D

Like C-H for example


For anti-teams, you mean?

Who would put s2 on their anti? O.o

People who hate his guts, realize he's a SKT Zerg and thus horrible, and pretty much everyone who sees that his prize is 5 points.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
April 19 2011 03:48 GMT
#131
Sparkle Motion

Main Team
1 (P)BackHo
3 (P)BeSt
4 (T)firebathero
12 (T)Flash (captain)
4 (Z)hero
6 (T)Leta
0 Air Force

Anti Team
4 (Z)ggaemo
5 (P)Jaehoon
4 (T)Turn


User was warned for this post
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
April 19 2011 03:57 GMT
#132
Under "more groups" join "no trades no TBLS" if you're willing to follow that challenge. No trading, Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, or Stork (on main or anti). I got 10th with the challenge on last season so it's not impossible.
AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
April 19 2011 05:19 GMT
#133
cant wait to see my team in action
i want to be top 10 again
STX SOuL FightinG~ Inter.Calm FigthinG ~
AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
April 19 2011 05:24 GMT
#134
nR TeaM~

Main Team
6 (T)HiyA
6 (Z)Killer (captain)
5 (T)Mind
5 (P)Movie
1 (T)RuBy
3 (T)Ssak
4 KT

Anti Team
2 (P)Grape
5 (Z)HyuN
6 (Z)RorO

i went for cheap players, first i thought "well flash, bisu or jaedong?"
but those players are good for WL when they can all kill the other team so i didnt pick any of them
Hiya as been always a deadly god in PL and i have a lot of faith in Mind/Movie/Killer
Ruby and Ssak were cheap and i think they can do good
GO nR TEAM!
STX SOuL FightinG~ Inter.Calm FigthinG ~
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
April 19 2011 05:26 GMT
#135
i always thought these were too complicated
but i guess im just lazy
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
April 19 2011 05:45 GMT
#136
On April 19 2011 14:24 AnyOne wrote:
nR TeaM~

Main Team
6 (T)HiyA
6 (Z)Killer (captain)
5 (T)Mind
5 (P)Movie
1 (T)RuBy
3 (T)Ssak
4 KT

Anti Team
2 (P)Grape
5 (Z)HyuN
6 (Z)RorO

i went for cheap players, first i thought "well flash, bisu or jaedong?"
but those players are good for WL when they can all kill the other team so i didnt pick any of them
Hiya as been always a deadly god in PL and i have a lot of faith in Mind/Movie/Killer
Ruby and Ssak were cheap and i think they can do good
GO nR TEAM!

correct me if I'm wrong but i thought Hiya went 2-17 in PL
☺
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 05:51:21
April 19 2011 05:49 GMT
#137
On April 19 2011 14:45 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2011 14:24 AnyOne wrote:
nR TeaM~

Main Team
6 (T)HiyA
6 (Z)Killer (captain)
5 (T)Mind
5 (P)Movie
1 (T)RuBy
3 (T)Ssak
4 KT

Anti Team
2 (P)Grape
5 (Z)HyuN
6 (Z)RorO

i went for cheap players, first i thought "well flash, bisu or jaedong?"
but those players are good for WL when they can all kill the other team so i didnt pick any of them
Hiya as been always a deadly god in PL and i have a lot of faith in Mind/Movie/Killer
Ruby and Ssak were cheap and i think they can do good
GO nR TEAM!

correct me if I'm wrong but i thought Hiya went 2-17 in PL


Hiya's score in R1 and R2 in 10-11 PL not including the WL

Yup .. really really deadly :D

Oh yeah I was wondering if we can join groups now?? I forgot about this feature during the previous FPL season, now I totally forgot when can we join/make funny groups like I-hate-Bisu-but-I-have-him-on-my-team group.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 06:41:01
April 19 2011 06:34 GMT
#138
The Loserz

Main Team
4 (Z)Crazy-Hydra
4 (T)firebathero
4 (Z)ggaemo
6 (T)Light
5 (P)Movie (captain)
5 (T)Mind
2 WeMade

Anti Team
3 (P)By.Sun
4 (P)Jangbi
6 (Z)Killer

Thought Process:
CH: Has proven that he can flex some muscle, even getting an AK in WL. For 4 points he's pretty undervalued, though this may be due to his recent team switch I believe given a couple of weeks to recuperate he'll return to his normal level of contribution.
FBH: Has been doing really well recently. ACE has to field him because they only have one other semi-decent player ggaemo, so we can expect some decent playing--and winning--time for FBH.
ggaemo: Really the only person on ACE who actually wins games with any semblance of consistency. ACE depends on him, so we can see ggaemo picking up consistent wins in PL and a couple of 2 kills in WL as he has done so far. At 4 points this isn't a bargain, but is still definitely worth the investment.
Light: Hasn't been on form recently. Has crazy potential for AKs but is slumping recently. Hopefully the change of air for him moving to Woongjin will help him move on. Don't think WJ would've acquired him just to let him warm the benches.
Movie: Has the potential. Some say he only has two matchups that favor him but he went on a sick killing spree in WL for a while and I believe that he's got great prospects ahead of him. This is the gamble.
Mind: s2 does well at 5 points but is too common of a pick. Mind's been playing well and will receive playing time, and win.

FOX: They've got a potent roster. RorO, Shine, BaBy, and Mind all can take games off of anyone. Hopefully they'll have the consistency to do so regularly.

Anti-Team:
Jangbi: No. Not good. Some playing time, lots of losing.
Killer: Overrated honestly. 6 points? He's not even that good and with a horrible ZvT to boot.
By.Sun: Filler. Doesn't play, will lose.
GuMiho <3
Dubsys
Profile Joined July 2007
Australia122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 06:54:02
April 19 2011 06:45 GMT
#139
GONNA DERP TIL I HERP

Main Team
1 (P)Anytime
6 (Z)Calm
8 (Z)Hydra (captain)
5 (P)Movie
3 (Z)Shine
3 (T)sKyHigh
4 Hwaseung

Anti Team
5 (P)Horang2
5 (P)Jaehoon
6 (P)Tyson

User was warned for this post

Sorry i was writing my analysis in edit, i'll just write it straight up in the future.

I don't expect tyson, jaehoon or horang2 to do well this season, and i've never really heard much out of them either, so they're my antis

My main team are just players i've always supported and liked, and expect to do well.
Patience is bitter, but it bears sweet fruit.
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
April 19 2011 07:15 GMT
#140
On April 19 2011 12:57 jalstar wrote:
Under "more groups" join "no trades no TBLS" if you're willing to follow that challenge. No trading, Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, or Stork (on main or anti). I got 10th with the challenge on last season so it's not impossible.

Just joined..this should be a fun challenge, haha.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
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