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xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
December 31 2011 00:48 GMT
#181
On December 31 2011 03:50 SlayerOfYou wrote:
I think this is kinda somewhat being blown out of proportion. You know who also takes a long time to leave, even when it's obvious that they have lost? Slayers_Boxer. My Idol. Yet every time he does it the announcers say something along the lines of " oh he is taking a moment to analyze the game in his head" or "he is regaining his composure for the next match".


Honestly the reason this gets blown out of proportion is because whenever the words "fantasy gg timing" are uttered it is 90% of the time NOT a "fantasy gg timing"
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 01:03:38
December 31 2011 01:03 GMT
#182
On December 31 2011 09:10 ArcTimes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 09:00 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any of you guys know of game theory? Progamers CAN'T leave asap when they are behind because they need a balanced "leaving range" for their careers. If someone left the game whenever he LOOKED clearly dead, their opponents would know whenever they don't leave that there is something fishy behind that they are not aware off (carriers, bcs, hidden exp, etc)


I think this would be a really good reason.


in case of fantasy it would have to be hidden, secretly abandoning of freshly build mining bases by his opponent though ;]
EX CATHEDRA!
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
December 31 2011 01:04 GMT
#183
On December 31 2011 09:00 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any of you guys know of game theory? Progamers CAN'T leave asap when they are behind because they need a balanced "leaving range" for their careers. If someone left the game whenever he LOOKED clearly dead, their opponents would know whenever they don't leave that there is something fishy behind that they are not aware off (carriers, bcs, hidden exp, etc)


stop ruining the joke
the courage to be a lazy bum
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
December 31 2011 01:46 GMT
#184
On December 31 2011 09:00 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any of you guys know of game theory? Progamers CAN'T leave asap when they are behind because they need a balanced "leaving range" for their careers. If someone left the game whenever he LOOKED clearly dead, their opponents would know whenever they don't leave that there is something fishy behind that they are not aware off (carriers, bcs, hidden exp, etc)


i agree with you, and i hope all progamers start to do (T)Fantasy gg timings

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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
December 31 2011 02:38 GMT
#185
On December 31 2011 03:50 SlayerOfYou wrote:
I think this is kinda somewhat being blown out of proportion. You know who also takes a long time to leave, even when it's obvious that they have lost? Slayers_Boxer. My Idol. Yet every time he does it the announcers say something along the lines of " oh he is taking a moment to analyze the game in his head" or "he is regaining his composure for the next match".


Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.

Fantasy might just be good enough to get away with it, but if a B-class player started doing it it would get old very fast.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
December 31 2011 02:54 GMT
#186
I remember when IdrA and Incontrol were commentating GSTL one night. IdrA said progamers tend to leave late in proelague / teamleague games since they don't want to "let their teamates down" etc....which is "retarded" according to him.

But doing in individual leagues is just...
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Gara
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada435 Posts
December 31 2011 03:01 GMT
#187
Haha, listening to the Korean commentators go "TATATATATATA!" in the (T)Fantasy vs. (P)free game made my day.

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TATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 31 2011 06:33 GMT
#188
On December 31 2011 09:00 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any of you guys know of game theory? Progamers CAN'T leave asap when they are behind because they need a balanced "leaving range" for their careers. If someone left the game whenever he LOOKED clearly dead, their opponents would know whenever they don't leave that there is something fishy behind that they are not aware off (carriers, bcs, hidden exp, etc)


There we go. Now can people stop bitching about Fantasy's GG timing?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
December 31 2011 06:37 GMT
#189
On December 31 2011 15:33 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 09:00 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any of you guys know of game theory? Progamers CAN'T leave asap when they are behind because they need a balanced "leaving range" for their careers. If someone left the game whenever he LOOKED clearly dead, their opponents would know whenever they don't leave that there is something fishy behind that they are not aware off (carriers, bcs, hidden exp, etc)


There we go. Now can people stop bitching about Fantasy's GG timing?


This is why floating ccs when zerg has entire map with spread overlords is a good idea.
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
bubl100500
Profile Joined March 2011
Ukraine538 Posts
December 31 2011 15:32 GMT
#190
On December 31 2011 11:54 ppshchik wrote:
I remember when IdrA and Incontrol were commentating GSTL one night. IdrA said progamers tend to leave late in proelague / teamleague games since they don't want to "let their teamates down" etc....which is "retarded" according to him.

But doing in individual leagues is just...

And leaving games where you winning or not lost yet is so smart.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#191
On December 31 2011 15:33 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 09:00 GoTuNk! wrote:
Any of you guys know of game theory? Progamers CAN'T leave asap when they are behind because they need a balanced "leaving range" for their careers. If someone left the game whenever he LOOKED clearly dead, their opponents would know whenever they don't leave that there is something fishy behind that they are not aware off (carriers, bcs, hidden exp, etc)


There we go. Now can people stop bitching about Fantasy's GG timing?


The fact that your opponent would recall scouts into your base indicates that they know that you've lost. Let's face it, there are circumstances when you have lost and both players know it. Flying your CC away after a 4pool? That game vs. Flash where he was on 2 bases. Flash knew the rough timing of mining out your main and nat as well.
kiss kiss fall in love
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 07 2012 04:36 GMT
#192
The reason Fantasy's GG timing is non-existent, now, is because he never has to play
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 04:39:37
January 07 2012 04:39 GMT
#193
I might as well take the opportunity to point out two of Fantasy's recent games where he persevered despite being at quite the disadvantage and came back to take the win:

Fantasy vs Reality on Sniper Ridge

(actually, when the ref paused I thought Fantasy was definitely toast)
Fantasy vs Skyhigh on Jade
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 07 2012 04:53 GMT
#194
On January 07 2012 13:39 Zona wrote:
I might as well take the opportunity to point out two of Fantasy's recent games where he persevered despite being at quite the disadvantage and came back to take the win:

Fantasy vs Reality on Sniper Ridge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia0_Izz_uFU
(actually, when the ref paused I thought Fantasy was definitely toast)
Fantasy vs Skyhigh on Jade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sdnGskJCrg


Lol, it's almost like Fantasy is learning from Flash how to come back in a TvT, and + Show Spoiler +
Bisu is learning from Flash how to cheese
.
It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
lespostea
Profile Joined May 2010
United States256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 05:09:35
January 07 2012 05:02 GMT
#195
On January 07 2012 13:53 sviatoslavrichter wrote:

Lol, it's almost like Fantasy is learning from Flash how to come back in a TvT, and + Show Spoiler +
Bisu is learning from Flash how to cheese
.


Gosh, it's almost like they're S-class progamers...
taitanik
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia231 Posts
January 07 2012 05:50 GMT
#196
this is sad, the guy fights till he has no units left and people complain about gg timings and im amazed by his fighting spirit
"the game is over only when you make it over"
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 07 2012 06:36 GMT
#197
lol. the banner still cracks me up.
Brood War loyalist
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 07 2012 06:51 GMT
#198
On January 07 2012 14:50 taitanik wrote:
this is sad, the guy fights till he has no units left and people complain about gg timings and im amazed by his fighting spirit


His fighting spirit is impressive, and I certainly respect that. People hate on it because they feel that he prolongs games unnecessarily when the chance of victory is essentially nothing. For his opponents, it can be frustrating trying to kill him off even though you have already won, he makes you continue to play.

It's what makes Fantasy different from many other players.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-07 07:30:55
January 07 2012 07:29 GMT
#199
i dont think you can comeback from a "fantasy gg timing " scenario vs a good player unless its tvt
only 2 cases that i have seen coming back from an impossible cases were (that are not tvt)
jaedong vs lomo in gom 2
jaedong had 1 base and a half 15 drones and a group of mnm with firebat in his nat lomo on 3 bases
still dont know what happend there
2nd case saviour vs TT but that was a case of TT fucking up so bad and still savior could only win it by destroying all of TT buildings cause TT had too much of an army to be overcome ( i am talking zerlings vs reavers + archons case )
anyone else knows other games where its def gg fantasy timing case and the guy sticks and eventually wins?
no tvt and both players are pro players
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
January 07 2012 08:20 GMT
#200
I fail to see why people trash on Fantasy's latest TvT against Skyhigh. He wasn't in a pinch at all. Fantasy had the high ground advantage and that is not something you take less into consideration since this is TvT. He had the good position and he was far from losing. Skyhigh lost this because he was carelessly throwing tanks against sieged up-hill tanks and losing a ton of Vultures while tip-toeing on the side and being destroyed by the same tanks. This is more or less Skyhigh's failure to GG in time when he had 2 lower main base mining while Fanta had the high-ground expansions.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
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