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Hello everyone! Since I hate fantasy's bad gg timing and saw a post from Zona in the most recent PL thread about why people always say fantasy has bad gg timing, I decided to make a compilation of all the games which show the terrible GG timing of fantasy.
so here goes!
from most recent to old
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/52392_Fantasy_vs_Jaehoon/vod
Fantasy has 0 bases and only like 7 goliaths vs a billion carriers and arbiters. doesn't even GG after losing the last goliath. -_-
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/51660_Calm_vs_Fantasy/vod
Fantasy has like 2 vultures, long distance mining. hydra lurk all over his base. not as bad as the first one but still.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/50211_Fantasy_vs_XellOs/vod
ok so xellos is raining tank fire on his natural, and there is also tank gol in his main base too. buildings are dying left and right. his base is pretty much empty. still doesn't GG for like 5 minutes or something. sheesshh.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/50116_Fantasy_vs_Violet/vod
ok so fantasy has no 3rd, no CC at nat, and his main has 1-2 chunks of minerals left. violet has 2 fully saturated bases, carriers, tons of dts, hts, goons etc. doesn't gg for ages.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/49985_Fantasy_vs_Modesty/vod
lurkers dropped all over his main. his marine drops are taken out. then his nat dies and 70% of his main is gone. no units. CC lifted. still takes a while.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47692_Fantasy_vs_Neo.G_Soulkey/vod
main is cleared. soulkey has like 6 base or something. fantasy proceeds to lift all his burning buildings. then soulkey does ULTRA CONSUME. loool.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/47102_Fantasy_vs_Stats/vod
0 units, stats is all over his main. 3rd base has lifted CC -_- takes a while for him to GG.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/44505_Fantasy_vs_free/vod
FREE RECALLS SCOUTS. i guess fantasy did defend for a while but it was depleted 2 base vs 3-4 base toss..
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/44356_Fantasy_vs_Stork/vod
stork has billion carriers and clears fantasy's main and nat? and 3rd too maybe. he just desperately builds turrets and tries to make starports for wraiths... lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/43821_Fantasy_vs_sKyHigh/vod
FANTASY Y U LIKE TO FLOAT CC SO MUCH???
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/43813_Fantasy_vs_sKyHigh/vod
not as bad as the previous one but still .. he had no units and no factories left for a bit.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36836_Fantasy_vs_Jaedong/vod
kinda bad.. loses nat bunker with 1 marine, lifts nat CC + rax, only has scvs + 1 vulture and tank in main vs lots of hydras. takes a minute or two for the GG.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36777_Fantasy_vs_Flash/vod
fantasy has 2 mining bases and not a lot of units, flash has the the rest of the map on roadrunner.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/36676_Fantasy_vs_HyuN/vod
1 vulture and a few scvs left vs 2 hatch zerg with lots of lings. desperately micros vulture for a few minutes -_-
ok there are probably more examples but this is the game that first ticked me off
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/27101_Fantasy_vs_Jaedong/vod
SERIOUSLY FANTASY floating your cc and rax to anotehr place after getting 4 pooled??
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I enjoy players putting in a little effort I guess, rather than seeing them gg pre-emptively or prematurely.
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On February 23 2011 01:19 mizU wrote:
I enjoy players putting in a little effort I guess, rather than seeing them gg pre-emptively or prematurely.
I guess Fantasy's counterpart would be IdrA then ;D
I would try to defend Fantasy vs Jaehoon, but Jaehoon isn't that bad of a player anymore. Hmm...maybe Fantasy just has off days and doesn't gg right away? ^^;
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On February 23 2011 01:30 blahman3344 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 01:19 mizU wrote:
I enjoy players putting in a little effort I guess, rather than seeing them gg pre-emptively or prematurely. I guess Fantasy's counterpart would be IdrA then ;D I would try to defend Fantasy vs Jaehoon, but Jaehoon isn't that bad of a player anymore. Hmm...maybe Fantasy just has off days and doesn't gg right away? ^^;
He has a lot of off days then.
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Fantasy has some of the worst GG timing out everyone. I'm trying to think of someone else who has bad GG timing.
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It always makes me laugh cause i'm not a fan of fantasy, especially things like the float of CC after 4pool. It kinda ruins the 'gg' moment where everyone knows its over and the commentators can go crazy when he stays in the game so long.
Edit: honestly Jaedong takes too long to gg a lot of times, it's sad to see his face when he knows hes lost but tries to hold on anyway especially vs P.
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in proleague/winners league matches they might be trying to buy some time for their team.
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It's so stupid to complain about gg timing. If people gg'd when TL wanted them to Flash would have like 50% winrate in TvT!
The cc float v Jaedong is kinda ridiculous, but it's way better to stay too long than to leave too early, so keep fighting the good fight Fantasy <3
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Well done! Glad to finally have this documented :D
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Keep in mind the context of some of those games, if he can know he's lost, and not put effort into playing, he's tiring out his opponent at no cost to his own stamina. Or as Piste said, he may be buying time for his team if he knows they need some time to plan for the next match.
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FBH also had a bad gg timing and nobody hated him for this...alright, nobody hated him ONLY becouse of this 
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I guess he learnt something from Boxer which is to never give up in hopes of coming back.
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fuuuu....
alffla such a fantasy anti-fan!! haha
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lol in that game vs Soulkey the last thing you see is Fantasy's CC getting infested :D
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On February 23 2011 01:49 huameng wrote:
It's so stupid to complain about gg timing. If people gg'd when TL wanted them to Flash would have like 50% winrate in TvT!
Well how many games has Flash somehow won when he should have lost and how many games has Fantasy won? Also I think the examples (juding by description) were to the point where even Flash would have typed GG at that point.
Other players have moments where they should have GG'd, like I remember Effort lost a ZvZ and was close to being eliminated when the match wasn't that close, but these are rare moments or at least should be.
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On February 23 2011 01:47 Piste wrote:
in proleague/winners league matches they might be trying to buy some time for their team.
in ace games too :D
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Nice compiliation. His GG-timing has bothered me quite a bit too. Basically one of the two reasons why I cannot get myself to really like him (the other one being that he is like 6.3 and weighs around 100lb, I just wanna force feed him whenever I see him)
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I think the reason we ever have slow GG times is because the losing player put a lot of thought, effort, and preparation into that game. Everyone who plays regularly is used to losing sometimes, but when you planned something special and specific it might take a bit to let it sink.
This is why I think Fantasy has bad GG timing moreso than any other player by a lot. Fantasy is probably the best known player for putting excruciating amounts of thought and preparation for a specific game and he probably does it moreso than often -- this is on TOP of being in the shadow of the SKT terran line. Add in his reputation for being a "revolutionary" player, and he has a LOT of expectations, so when his well thought out builds fail he not only fails on a personal level moreso than many other players, but he fails in light of his legacy as well. I think losses hurt him more than any other player in the league because of his situation and his introverted demeanor, and therefore we get these bad GG timings a whole lot.
I hate it when he does it and it's honestly the only reason I'm not a fan of him, but I understand WHY he does it so often. No one tries as hard with as much looming over them as him.
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On a funnier note, the longer he takes to GG, the longer he has to figure out how to tell Oov why he lost! Maybe that's why Canata was so depressed all the time, Oov is a fiery coach.
edit: woops meant to edit this into the last post.
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