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On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D
Bisu is showing glimpses of that in PvZ and PvT. His PvT is showing some promise but still has ways to go. He might be in a similar form to how Flash was but Bisu still needs jump quite a few (in amount of, not size) more hurdles.
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The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately).
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On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately).
most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
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I noticed that STX is AKed 2 times :D hehehehe where are the fanatic STX fans ?
GO GO BISU !
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On January 15 2011 15:44 gorchiza wrote:
I noticed that STX is AKed 2 times :D hehehehe where are the fanatic STX fans ?
GO GO BISU !
its a mistake
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On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
fantasy needs to practice for his silver
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On January 15 2011 15:51 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol fantasy needs to practice for his silver
too cruel
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Stats denied Flash of an all kill again lol
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this almost AK format kinda denies all the credits that Jaedong or Flash have 
maybe u should put up a 3-kill list up or sth ?
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On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
Tho it's not like they been sending Bisu in for the kill... he's been coming out second for SKT. Reminds me of that Flash vs Hyuk game. "I wen't in to do some damage but then i just won".
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On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
And fantasy is on my FPL so i want him getting some wins =(
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On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D
Hahaha thats true :D
But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now  ).
The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork).
Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil.
And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to.
Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet).
Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements.
Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.)
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On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.)
How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD.
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Stats is good but he has some Terran aura around him that makes me not like him, the same applies for Kal who somehow has Zerg aura around him. It's weird since I don't feel Terran aura around the Mantoss at all lol.
The only good Protosses that I feel 100% pure blood are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi and Best, I don't know why but I just feel like that and be fan of them lol.
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On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D
similarly this also means flash will turn his god mode on again next season 
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As we can see in Bisu's all kill trend, coach Park will always send him 2nd after someone loses in the first set, and then Bisu will continue the match to get an all kill. Coach Park must send 1 fodder to get an all kill from Bisu. We will see if this trend continues against MBC
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what is the use of differentiating between the OP's definition "almost-all-kill" and the 3-kills? If at all, I think that players who 3-killed after their teammate won one game have achieved a bigger feat than 3-killing and then losing the last game (since the last player from the opponent's side will likely be tougher than the first).
Honestly, I see no statistical benefits of defining it that way. I'd just do 4-kill and 3-kill lists.
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On January 16 2011 11:11 Jubinell wrote:
what is the use of differentiating between the OP's definition "almost-all-kill" and the 3-kills? If at all, I think that players who 3-killed after their teammate won one game have achieved a bigger feat than 3-killing and then losing the last game (since the last player from the opponent's side will likely be tougher than the first).
Honestly, I see no statistical benefits of defining it that way. I'd just do 4-kill and 3-kill lists.
Well i think almost achieving an ak is better than just a 3 kill as it shows something that they could have done. Again im basing my thread by last year's thread. I will not answer these type of questions/comments again. By the way the title of this thread is Winner's League Allkill list.
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On January 16 2011 11:11 Jubinell wrote:
what is the use of differentiating between the OP's definition "almost-all-kill" and the 3-kills? If at all, I think that players who 3-killed after their teammate won one game have achieved a bigger feat than 3-killing and then losing the last game (since the last player from the opponent's side will likely be tougher than the first).
Honestly, I see no statistical benefits of defining it that way. I'd just do 4-kill and 3-kill lists.
who says "almost all-kills" are better than 3 kills?
it isn't a list of who did well. it is a list of all-kills and people who almost got them.
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