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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
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metalsonic
Netherlands95 Posts
The thing I recommend to do is to just first to get familiar with all units and their abbilities , then I recommend to just do 1 build order over and over then u can do new stuff . | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:36 2Pacalypse- wrote: Woah, calm down there. There's no need to call possi/mucho/funmap games 'stupid', just because you don't find them interesting. And getting the wrong idea how BW actually looks like? Please, there's no need for this holier-than-thou attitude. I think it's perfectly fine advising a completely new player to try some 3v3 BGH, instead of immediately starting with grinding the ladder, learning the builds like he's practicing to be the next Flash. And Bnet is a perfectly fine place for casual games like this. I would also love nothing more than to see all remaining BW players come to the ICCup, but since this is not the case, Bnet remains as a viable choice to play on with its own charms as well. My post sounded harder than it should. In my personal experience I learned that the vast majority of the (European) possi/mucho scene is simply retarded, and even more kiddy-like than the fan-base-hyped sc2 scene uses to be at German community pages. In addition you're really not hacksafe (my personal exerpience: 50%+ hackers in possi games, 20% at BGH) at Europe and the games are quite laggy. Overall I remember the standard public B-net as quite impolite and dull. Not to mention that somehow, when using Vista or Win7, you can get disconnected from time to time without a reason. At least that was the case for me. When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. Especially possi/fastest maps are all the same - 1a2a3a, without needing to make strategical decisions. It's quite fun to play BGH from time to time, moreover if you have good allies, but I think learning and watching the real BW on low maps gives you more. If you skip the mucho part of BW it's more likely you get better fast, than when "wasting" your time on maps with strategies you can't possibly transfer onto low maps. You don't even train your mechanics, as you don't have to use them in the manner you had to use them when you play BW only. So, in conclusion, if someone really thinks about investing time in BW with the goal to be only slightly better than the normal usership, skipping the ordinary blizzard b-net would be a wise decision to make. I didn't want to offend anyone with this. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:17 LeoA wrote: Yea, I'm definentaly going on iCCup tomorrow...I'm attemting to play at least 10 hours a day so I should be *decent* in about 2 weeks =D anyway, I think I may have been playing scrubs for my first 2 games, I played another and got bf'd in like 8 minutes...I basically always go for mass dragoons and get upgrades and I dont know what else to do, and yes I do have some basic rts experience, from war3, sc2 and aoe2...if anyone wants to practice that'd be cool =D :O 10hrs a day... Next Kolll lol? Anyways, with the BGH debate, if you can find decent games then BGH is good. The problem though is finding decent games, I imagine you would have to be connected to people in the BGH community. Also, BGH at high levels definitely requires similar skills to standard low money maps or any team game. | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:08 Gecko[Xp] wrote: My post sounded harder than it should. In my personal experience I learned that the vast majority of the (European) possi/mucho scene is simply retarded, and even more kiddy-like than the fan-base-hyped sc2 scene uses to be at German community pages. In addition you're really not hacksafe (my personal exerpience: 50%+ hackers in possi games, 20% at BGH) at Europe and the games are quite laggy. Overall I remember the standard public B-net as quite impolite and dull. Not to mention that somehow, when using Vista or Win7, you can get disconnected from time to time without a reason. At least that was the case for me. When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. Especially possi/fastest maps are all the same - 1a2a3a, without needing to make strategical decisions. It's quite fun to play BGH from time to time, moreover if you have good allies, but I think learning and watching the real BW on low maps gives you more. If you skip the mucho part of BW it's more likely you get better fast, than when "wasting" your time on maps with strategies you can't possibly transfer onto low maps. You don't even train your mechanics, as you don't have to use them in the manner you had to use them when you play BW only. So, in conclusion, if someone really thinks about investing time in BW with the goal to be only slightly better than the normal usership, skipping the ordinary blizzard b-net would be a wise decision to make. I didn't want to offend anyone with this. Something like BGH would be appealing to a new player because at low levels, BGH games have a sort of "sandbox" feel to them. It removes a large part of the responsibilities of economy management, which can be a very daunting and confusing aspect of BW, and allows players to mess around a bit. They can make large armies, experiment with lesser-used units, and generally play at a more relaxed pace. People forget that in the first while, everything about a game like BW can be frustrating if it's all thrown at you at once. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:52 vOdToasT wrote: I don't think you can play with Antihack launcher on Mac. But you can still play on iccup, just without antihack/lan latency support. As it has been said, watch some vods (fp vods or user streams ---> on the right, under the calendar). You can also dl replays. Glad to see you try SC, even after SC2 has come out! :D | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9555 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:08 Gecko[Xp] wrote: My post sounded harder than it should. In my personal experience I learned that the vast majority of the (European) possi/mucho scene is simply retarded, and even more kiddy-like than the fan-base-hyped sc2 scene uses to be at German community pages. In addition you're really not hacksafe (my personal exerpience: 50%+ hackers in possi games, 20% at BGH) at Europe and the games are quite laggy. Overall I remember the standard public B-net as quite impolite and dull. Not to mention that somehow, when using Vista or Win7, you can get disconnected from time to time without a reason. At least that was the case for me. When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. Especially possi/fastest maps are all the same - 1a2a3a, without needing to make strategical decisions. It's quite fun to play BGH from time to time, moreover if you have good allies, but I think learning and watching the real BW on low maps gives you more. If you skip the mucho part of BW it's more likely you get better fast, than when "wasting" your time on maps with strategies you can't possibly transfer onto low maps. You don't even train your mechanics, as you don't have to use them in the manner you had to use them when you play BW only. So, in conclusion, if someone really thinks about investing time in BW with the goal to be only slightly better than the normal usership, skipping the ordinary blizzard b-net would be a wise decision to make. I didn't want to offend anyone with this. Ok, we obviously differ in opinion so I won't go into a lengthy debate. I'd just like to point out the irony in your claim that playing possi / BGH can make you lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. Why is it then that BGH remained as one of the most played map over the entire lifespan of BW? | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On December 23 2010 03:30 2Pacalypse- wrote: [ Ok, we obviously differ in opinion so I won't go into a lengthy debate. I'd just like to point out the irony in your claim that playing possi / BGH can make you lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. Why is it then that BGH remained as one of the most played map over the entire lifespan of BW? I honestly have no clue, same goes for possi maps. Maybe because it's simply due to the fact that it's more casual friendly. I didn't want to drag BGH/Hunters in it for the first place, as said, I think it can be fun from time to time, but I also think low maps offer more fun overall. And I want to point out again, that I don't want to offend anyone. My main argument was aiming for the possi/fastest scene, which is, as said, not the nicest community and really full of hackers, cheaters and flamers. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9555 Posts
On December 23 2010 04:11 Gecko[Xp] wrote: I honestly have no clue, same goes for possi maps. Maybe because it's simply due to the fact that it's more casual friendly. I didn't want to drag BGH/Hunters in it for the first place, as said, I think it can be fun from time to time, but I also think low maps offer more fun overall. And I want to point out again, that I don't want to offend anyone. My main argument was aiming for the possi/fastest scene, which is, as said, not the nicest community and really full of hackers, cheaters and flamers. Hey, as long as you don't want to offend anyone... | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
day[2] of the blog is up, 17 games played so far since 11 ish est...figured out control groups and the f2-f4 commands..they help =D | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:49 quirinus wrote: But you can still play on iccup, just without antihack/lan latency support. As it has been said, watch some vods (fp vods or user streams ---> on the right, under the calendar). You can also dl replays. Glad to see you try SC, even after SC2 has come out! :D That's going to make it much more difficult to find games... and it was already pretty hard pre-SCII... | ||
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BoldMan
United States168 Posts
brood war takes a shit long time to learn how to play, and it takes a shit load of effort to be good at it it's highly acclaimed because its so balanced and well-made, yet its so old (but can run on anything) you should just get starcraft 2, which has a lower level of competition (or play UMS maps in brood war) honestly i think brood war is not something that will addict gamers early on like FPS's will, and if you don't have real life friends you can play with, it will get real dull btw, iccup provides a free download to online starcraft brood war | ||
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BoldMan
United States168 Posts
On December 23 2010 00:36 2Pacalypse- wrote: When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. i disagree with this guy, you should start off on BGH and fastest maps to learn all the units, spells, hotkeys, and everything if you start off laddering, its going to be painful and dull; you will lose every game before getting to tier 2 and your opportunities for playing are limited not to mention BGH and fastest will be much more exciting because its fast-paced don't start off playing 1v1 maps edit: oops, sorry for the double post | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9555 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:04 BoldMan wrote: When I said "stupid" maps I mean that possi / BGH is (in my opinion) not really challenging and you can lose the interest in BW sooner than on low maps. It just resembles the wrong image. I disagree with this guy as well. | ||
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TheUberMango
United States77 Posts
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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Falling
Canada11603 Posts
On December 23 2010 10:20 LeoA wrote: Yea, I dont want to get too serious about brood war, but its fun for me to play lans and stuff, and I always used to get cut out when it was time to play SC, all i could play was aoe, and cs with my friends,also I think it'l help me get better at rts games in general And to me this is exactly why someone would pick up SCBW. Congrats man. My buddies still play SCBW at lan parties- my problem was being too much better than my buddies, but starting iCCup put me in my place. But it need not be hundreds of games before you get your first win on iCCup. People are insanely good, but out of 30 games total, I've gotten 5 wins. There's a handful of us D to D- folk that play the game or are starting to learn. I say why not? Play what's fun- campaign, BGH, low money maps on iCCup, weird UMS maps- (Tandem Starcraft still remains my favourite). | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
The winrate of a beginner on iCCup is about 20%-35% (if you follow a build order), but you will rape the next LAN party you have with friends. | ||
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LeoA
Canada108 Posts
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