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Let the fun begin. Activision Blizzard suing MBC - Page 17

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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 23 2010 10:13 GMT
#321
Can't we all just get along, and watch Brood War
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
October 23 2010 10:13 GMT
#322
This is bad TTT!
iNoobSoWhat
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation370 Posts
October 23 2010 10:20 GMT
#323
Now i will ignore all sc2 events, blizzards go to hell
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 10:23:31
October 23 2010 10:22 GMT
#324
I think most people here choose KeSPA's side because they don't want Proleague to come to an end. When you think about it objectively though, Blizzard has every right to own the game they made. You can look at this from the "it's been 12 years, why would they suddenly care now?" -side. Or you can look at it from the perspective that Blizzard was nice enough to not shut down Proleague when it began all those years ago.

If KeSPA was all for the continuation of BW they would acknowledge Blizzards' IP rights. They haven't and forced the start of the new PL season, inevitably forcing Blizzard to respond by sueing.
I think esports is pretty nice.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
October 23 2010 10:24 GMT
#325
its really annoying that most of the people who are GLAD that blizzard is doing this have just recently joined the SC scene. That if it wasn't for MBC's and OGN's pioneering the scene, SC2 would have been worst than WC3(WHERE IS WC3 NOW?). and E-sports wouldn't have been as big and the need to balance games for competitive play wouldn't be a big issue.

sick and tired of arguing these types of threads, where all misinformed assholes post like they know shit. there isn't any healthy discussion here at all. some are just pissing at each other. fuck this.

MBC Hwaiting
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
RainWhisper
Profile Joined May 2009
United Arab Emirates333 Posts
October 23 2010 10:24 GMT
#326
I can't pretend to know the whole history of this but i will say, Blizzard have the right if their game is being used, it IS their game. If you are a programmer you might relate. Not Pro-gamer, Pro-grammer. But like i said i don't know the history so maybe im missing something.
Hi can i get one McGracken please?
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
October 23 2010 10:32 GMT
#327
On October 23 2010 19:24 MarwanBaki wrote:
I can't pretend to know the whole history of this but i will say, Blizzard have the right if their game is being used, it IS their game. If you are a programmer you might relate. Not Pro-gamer, Pro-grammer. But like i said i don't know the history so maybe im missing something.


then just shut the fuck up then? you just implied in your post that the very thing that this website represent is wrong ..

Its not pro-gamer nor pro-grammer .. its fucking PROGAMING

User was temp banned for this post.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
October 23 2010 10:32 GMT
#328
On October 23 2010 19:24 aimaimaim wrote:
its really annoying that most of the people who are GLAD that blizzard is doing this have just recently joined the SC scene. That if it wasn't for MBC's and OGN's pioneering the scene, SC2 would have been worst than WC3(WHERE IS WC3 NOW?). and E-sports wouldn't have been as big and the need to balance games for competitive play wouldn't be a big issue.

sick and tired of arguing these types of threads, where all misinformed assholes post like they know shit. there isn't any healthy discussion here at all. some are just pissing at each other. fuck this.

MBC Hwaiting


Because your post is informed and a prime example of a healthy discussion? You're saying that everyone who isn't surprised or against Blizzard sueing is an asshole ...
I think esports is pretty nice.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 11:03:04
October 23 2010 10:39 GMT
#329
On October 23 2010 19:32 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 19:24 aimaimaim wrote:
its really annoying that most of the people who are GLAD that blizzard is doing this have just recently joined the SC scene. That if it wasn't for MBC's and OGN's pioneering the scene, SC2 would have been worst than WC3(WHERE IS WC3 NOW?). and E-sports wouldn't have been as big and the need to balance games for competitive play wouldn't be a big issue.

sick and tired of arguing these types of threads, where all misinformed assholes post like they know shit. there isn't any healthy discussion here at all. some are just pissing at each other. fuck this.

MBC Hwaiting


Because your post is informed and a prime example of a healthy discussion? You're saying that everyone who isn't surprised or against Blizzard sueing is an asshole ...


not really ..

just those poster who think they knew about something and post it like they were absolute facts.

on topic:

seriously .. IP rights .. its not like MBC nor OGN nor KeSPA are selling things with the label "Starcraft" in them. note, Selling them is not the same as Using them.

its not like kespa is selling Zerg Zergling Hamburgers, or a Motorcycle called "Terran Vulture" ..

what Kespa "sell" are progamers and the time where the broadcasting channels can advertise items from other companies who wants to be advertised to the fans or SPECTATOR who watches the progamers play. because thats what kespa represent. the players.

do correct me if i said wrong. or if i understood it wrong
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9545 Posts
October 23 2010 10:49 GMT
#330
On October 23 2010 10:04 Wonders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.


Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm mistaken, but does KeSPA not consist precisely of the companies that are sponsoring the pros teams?

You can read about Kespa and their structure here:
http://www.scribd.com/full/39947204?access_key=key-zo2glwdjc17ptt8eh6i
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bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
October 23 2010 11:20 GMT
#331
This is so fucking pointless. Like 2 farmers 2000 years bc arguing whether the earth is flat or not. Fact is, we dont know ANYTHING.

People have to remember thought, IP right is the ONLY reason why games like BW etc are made. If those arent respected then theres no income. So analogies comparing to physical products like bicycles are retarted. Second, how can KeSPA claim starcraft to be public property yet charge broadcast fees. I think that mostly companies owning IP rights to games like Blizzard does, doesnt mind if their games are used for whatever, as long as it isnt for commercial purposes.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
Husmusen
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden92 Posts
October 23 2010 11:20 GMT
#332
Lets do this KOREA! ship sc2/gsl and all including shit overseas and Scar them blizzard mfers for life.
I cant belive how greedy they are

Effort is the man Effort understands
lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
October 23 2010 11:25 GMT
#333
Blizzard owe Korea for bringing sc:bw to whatever it is today.....
as Arnold said: you have been erased! but dont worry!
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
October 23 2010 11:28 GMT
#334
Wish everyone would just shut up on the whole matter, noone knows the full story 99% of this thread is absolutely silly in regards to how a court case would work and the idea that these huge organisations (samsung, sk etc) are going to put all their power/resources into a piece of small (on their grand scheme) advertising is ludicrous.

Just let the thing happen, support who you want to support but please don't try and try and talk like you know what these absolutely huge companies are going to do to protect their declining marketting gig.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 11:33:47
October 23 2010 11:32 GMT
#335
MBC's response?
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33735

My Korean is not good enough to translate the whole thing. But one statement is clear: MBC intends to launch MSL next week. They say that if Blizzard sues, then MBC will response according to procedure.[no specifics mentioned]

MBCGame FIGHTING!
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 11:41:54
October 23 2010 11:34 GMT
#336
On October 23 2010 19:22 Saechiis wrote:
I think most people here choose KeSPA's side because they don't want Proleague to come to an end. When you think about it objectively though, Blizzard has every right to own the game they made. You can look at this from the "it's been 12 years, why would they suddenly care now?" -side. Or you can look at it from the perspective that Blizzard was nice enough to not shut down Proleague when it began all those years ago.

If KeSPA was all for the continuation of BW they would acknowledge Blizzards' IP rights. They haven't and forced the start of the new PL season, inevitably forcing Blizzard to respond by sueing.

There is argumentation against IP as an enforcable concept alltogether.

The fact is - IP IS NOT A SCARCE RESOURCE, only the physical carrier of it is scarce. Property rights exist to solve conflicts over scarce resouces where there cannot exist peaceful co-use of the matter. Intellectual property does not fill this criterion.

Furthermore, Intellectual property actually goes against the concept of actual scarce property. In order to enforce artificial scarcity of non-scarce ends(computer game broadcast rights), it infringes the property rights of owners of SCARCE resources(aka the capital of MBC).



People have to remember thought, IP right is the ONLY reason why games like BW etc are made. If those arent respected then theres no income. So analogies comparing to physical products like bicycles are retarted. Second, how can KeSPA claim starcraft to be public property yet charge broadcast fees. I think that mostly companies owning IP rights to games like Blizzard does, doesnt mind if their games are used for whatever, as long as it isnt for commercial purposes.
Nonsense. Remember, it is child's play for pirates to use a game like Wow on private servers. Easier to buy on the stores. However still, the vast majority prefers Blizz's own servers and play legitimately. It is because of the service! What they are paying for is not the use rights code and data but for the service provided by blizz, along with the demand for the physical scarce products(all the cool manuals posters etc). Same thing with SC2, D2.
Aah thats the stuff..
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
October 23 2010 11:46 GMT
#337
xarthaz, that is exactly why IP is so important. Why do gamedevelopers have if they dont have IPs. Who is going to make expensive games if they cant get their development costs back.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany419 Posts
October 23 2010 12:01 GMT
#338
blizzard did not create msl osl or the proleague why should the have any rights to that?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
October 23 2010 12:05 GMT
#339
Hell, it's about time.

Let the E-Drama commence.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
October 23 2010 12:11 GMT
#340
On October 23 2010 21:01 Qeet wrote:
blizzard did not create msl osl or the proleague why should the have any rights to that?

because they are using a thing blizzard created to run those leagues.

but still i think blizzard is doing bullshit
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