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ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 17 2010 17:01 GMT
#1
When this season started up, while everyone was hoping for that the Tyrant would get revenge on Flash for embarrassing him in the msl, or effort could find a way to the finals again so our beloved Child Labour Terran could show him what hard work means, I secretly prayed to wiccan gods and conducted strange experiments involving no less than four (4) manitees in my own way to make a different finals happen.

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x 4


This final was a special one near and dear to my heart. It didn't really involve good looks, tyrannical opposition, or disfigured looking zerg players. It's true, a final wouldn't be a final without flash, so he can stay :
+ Show Spoiler +

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mmmmmmm



But who then, could his opponent be? Well, one badass muthafuck that would sooner stand around with his mouth open in utter defiance of his enemies as opposed to winning very often.
+ Show Spoiler +

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Oh poop, wrong file


........

+ Show Spoiler +

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Shaftasy


So the players are cast and the stage is set, MSL. Fantasy racing at an unstoppable speed towards a seat in the finals , going 16 wins - 7 losses (69.57%) in the last 30 days, reminding people he can win when he feels like it.

Flash, though having a bit of a rough patch being reminded he doesn't play by choice and has to or the evil man will take his family away, kicked it up and is gunning for his spot too. He is on a 12 game streak, which is mostly the top level terrans.

I see no problems here, my dream is coming true. Yes a humble and petty dream, but something to hope for.

*Then*



AHHH DAMNIT. HOW COULD I NOT HAVE NOTICED THEY WERE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE BRACKET . THIS FEELS WORSE THAN THAT TIME I STUBBED MY TOE ON A ROOFING NAIL. HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT AT ALL!? WAS A BORN THIS WAY OR IS IDIOCY A LEARNED BEHAVIOR?!

Alas, broken, defeated.


(spoilers of recent games ahead)







But not without a shimmer of hope. With the WCG brings a whole slew of games that otherwise probably shouldn't happen, it's been either awesome amateurs getting friendly with the pros, or a veritable all star match. In this, our two heroes face off against each other in a Bo3 for a chance to go to LA.

*Then*

5 hours later,

Our two heroes face each other for a chance to win the MSL.

Rarely does a Bo8 happen in starcraft, as it just doesn't really make sense. But this, this is maybe better than a final with these two players. Maybe even better than my tattoo of nada's face on top of my face.

This is a Bo8

Since this is getting long and I really didn't bring enough pictures to hold your attention, I'm just going to decree my predictions.

Fantasy will feign weakness in the WCG and lose , then unleash builds created by him and OOV (and one by Hyuk for BM) and win MSL 3-0.

Or , Fantasy will waste no time in letting people know who is the gangliest of men alive, and will win the WCG 2-0 and MSL 3-0.

There is zero chance for Flash.





Poll: I'm not wrong, right?

Fantasy is my atom bomb of carnal lust (77)
 
68%

Right. (36)
 
32%

113 total votes

Your vote: I'm not wrong, right?

(Vote): Right.
(Vote): Fantasy is my atom bomb of carnal lust



Each day gets better : )
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 17:07:25
August 17 2010 17:05 GMT
#2
Edited: LOL.

Either way, I'm still sick of Terran's dominating.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
johnlee
Profile Joined June 2009
United States242 Posts
August 17 2010 17:05 GMT
#3
Flash wants to go to LA, so he'll win WCG.

Flash wants to win MSL, so he'll win MSL.

Bore
aegisabcde
Profile Joined November 2008
United States145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 17:17:47
August 17 2010 17:08 GMT
#4
LOL (T)Flash vs (T)Fantasy for WCG and MSL are on the same (Z)Day!

If someone lost both, he'd be so sad.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 17:15:48
August 17 2010 17:10 GMT
#5
I'm going to disagree with you rather thoroughly.
(T)Flash's so called "rough patch" has decidedly ended recently (he's at least 10-0), and his TvT is 8-2.
(T)Fantasy however has lost three out of his (T)Last 4 games. (T)Fantasy's TvT has never been overly impressive to me - while it is solid, it doesn't have that dominating stature that (T)Flash's TvT contains (see (T)Fantasy vs (T)sKyHigh on Fortress).
Unless Fantasy has some out of the blue, extremely cheesy play that relies on very odd timings and catching his opponent off guard, or if flash does stupid build orders, I can't see fantasy winning either of these two series.
Edit: Note - Flash is 7-4 against Fantasy.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 17:23:05
August 17 2010 17:12 GMT
#6
Even as a Fantasy fan, I must admit that Fantasy's TvT is not up to the task of outplaying Flash straight up in standard games. Without mentioning Flash's superior mechanics, Flash's game sense is borderline map hacking. The one thing Fantasy has going for him is his variety and unpredictability in build order and abuse of map features. That, and Fantasy's vulture play is #1 in the world.

I also predict at least one 2 port from Fantasy. His wraith micro is sexy.

I believe that Fantasy will play against Flash straight up, to test his basics against Flash in WCG.

And unleash all of his anti-Flash builds in MSL. Let's keep in mind that Fantasy has been preparing for Flash since the playoff final. Is there is such a thing as a Flash sniper in the current scene, Fantasy is it.

Unless, of course, Fantasy mindfucks us all, and actually want WCG more than a MSL gold. Flash comes to WCG with the intention of playing just standard games and get fucked over by a combination of Boxer/Oov/Fantasy anti-Flash builds.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 17 2010 17:13 GMT
#7
Flash is going to crush Fantasy in both tournaments. It's kinda hard to cheese against terran, much less against maphax Flash.

*cheap shot*
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
August 17 2010 17:18 GMT
#8
On August 18 2010 02:13 bearbuddy wrote:
Flash is going to crush Fantasy in both tournaments. It's kinda hard to cheese against terran, much less against maphax Flash.

*cheap shot*


Fantasy has cheesed flash successfully at least twice D:

He's not gonna be able to do it three times though :D
skating
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 17:20:11
August 17 2010 17:19 GMT
#9
On August 18 2010 02:13 bearbuddy wrote:
Flash is going to crush Fantasy in both tournaments. It's kinda hard to cheese against terran, much less against maphax Flash.

*cheap shot*


Let us time travel back and remember the last time Fantasy dished out an anti-Flash build:

PL R4, game 5:

On May 02 2010 16:24 Cadical wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Summary of game 5] +
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ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 17 2010 17:19 GMT
#10
On August 18 2010 02:10 Comeh wrote:
I'm going to disagree with you rather thoroughly.


Your first mistake

On August 18 2010 02:10 Comeh wrote:
Unless Fantasy has some out of the blue, extremely cheesy play that relies on very odd timings and catching his opponent off guard


ahh, it's not something he'd really do, sort of out of the reach of his play .
Each day gets better : )
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
August 17 2010 17:21 GMT
#11
hahah I lol'd at the fantasy pic
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
August 17 2010 17:25 GMT
#12
fantasy thumbed down the only 4-player map for a reason

cheddar incoming
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 17 2010 17:38 GMT
#13
On August 18 2010 02:19 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 02:13 bearbuddy wrote:
Flash is going to crush Fantasy in both tournaments. It's kinda hard to cheese against terran, much less against maphax Flash.

*cheap shot*


Let us time travel back and remember the last time Fantasy dished out an anti-Flash build:

PL R4, game 5:

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 16:24 Cadical wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Summary of game 5] +
[image loading]
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That was indeed pretty funny how Fantasy left Flash hanging there.

Fantasy sniped Flash's scv building a forward rax. With tech delayed so much in TvT, it's essentially a free win. I don't see anything anti-Flash about it.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
August 17 2010 17:39 GMT
#14
Well, Flash is so good in TvT that beating him in straith games is close to imposible in BoX. As a fantasy fan, and the one who likes flash as player (but who just hates his fanboys) i must admit this...I dont see much chances for Jung, and if he make some miracle and beat him, this will be one of the most impresive surprises ever.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 17 2010 17:55 GMT
#15
Fantasy is terrible and I look forward to seeing him exit two leagues in the same day, 4-0 inc.
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 17 2010 18:02 GMT
#16
On August 18 2010 02:55 n.DieJokes wrote:
Fantasy is terrible and I look forward to seeing him exit two leagues in the same day, 4-0 inc.



Bo3

+

Bo5

.........

At least we know fantasy haters lack basic math skills O_________O
Each day gets better : )
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
August 17 2010 18:03 GMT
#17
these games will rock or they will fail hard.. not that many games with flash have lived to the hype..
in The Kong line forever
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 18:25:37
August 17 2010 18:09 GMT
#18
On August 18 2010 02:19 ella_guru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 02:10 Comeh wrote:
I'm going to disagree with you rather thoroughly.


Your first mistake

Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 02:10 Comeh wrote:
Unless Fantasy has some out of the blue, extremely cheesy play that relies on very odd timings and catching his opponent off guard


ahh, it's not something he'd really do, sort of out of the reach of his play .

Well, Fantasy generally plays a pretty straight up TvT - and really the only style of play that I could see beating flash is something akin to ForGG's play in whateverthatmslwas. And the main reason that worked so effectively was the mind games behind it (ForGG's style was somewhat undefined at that point) - i'm sure flash will be on his game to be aware of cheesy play, which should nullify fantasy's style.
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RonNation
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States385 Posts
August 17 2010 18:15 GMT
#19
get ready for flash to shitkick some didiots
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
August 17 2010 18:18 GMT
#20
Flash will take both series, but will drop games to Fantasy.

2-1 WCG
3-1 MSL

He's not going to let Fanta counter him, even with crazy Vults.
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ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 17 2010 18:20 GMT
#21
Fanta will bring meta cheese , and build SCV > GG , and then siege expand the remaining 6 games indiscriminately
Each day gets better : )
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 17 2010 18:21 GMT
#22
On August 18 2010 03:02 ella_guru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 02:55 n.DieJokes wrote:
Fantasy is terrible and I look forward to seeing him exit two leagues in the same day, 4-0 inc.



Bo3

+

Bo5

.........

At least we know fantasy haters lack basic math skills O_________O

pfff who needs math when you're this angry
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 17 2010 18:27 GMT
#23
On May 02 2010 16:24 Cadical wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Summary of game 5] +
[image loading]
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рофл !!!

Anyone can link me the vod?
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
August 17 2010 18:28 GMT
#24
I honestly don't think Fantasy will take more then 1 game of Flash in either series. I love the guy, but Flash is too dominating TvT in standard games and there is only so much room for cheese in TvT.
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Blackhole
Profile Joined October 2009
United States15 Posts
August 17 2010 18:29 GMT
#25
Fantasy got this, his TvT is one of the main reasons he got silver in the 2008 Incruit OSL
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 17 2010 18:36 GMT
#26
What in the world, hilarious pictures. Flash is ridiculous, but his somewhat recent Ace match TvT fails make me eat my nails... :s
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 17 2010 18:39 GMT
#27
screw fantasy i hate that guy . lame terran that just does whatever bxer and oov tell him to. i believe if fantasy had to play an unprepared game against someone he would play like shit while flash would still rape. lilke.. i ont know how to phrase it well but just that flash's overall game sense and stuff even without superb preparation is MUCH better htna fantasy.

SO GTFO TERRORIST TERRAN!
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
August 17 2010 18:42 GMT
#28
On August 18 2010 03:39 alffla wrote:
screw fantasy i hate that guy . lame terran that just does whatever bxer and oov tell him to. i believe if fantasy had to play an unprepared game against someone he would play like shit while flash would still rape. lilke.. i ont know how to phrase it well but just that flash's overall game sense and stuff even without superb preparation is MUCH better htna fantasy.

SO GTFO TERRORIST TERRAN!


Sarcasm?
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 17 2010 18:43 GMT
#29
On August 18 2010 03:42 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 03:39 alffla wrote:
screw fantasy i hate that guy . lame terran that just does whatever bxer and oov tell him to. i believe if fantasy had to play an unprepared game against someone he would play like shit while flash would still rape. lilke.. i ont know how to phrase it well but just that flash's overall game sense and stuff even without superb preparation is MUCH better htna fantasy.

SO GTFO TERRORIST TERRAN!


Sarcasm?


i dunno. im slightly tipsy and didn't read the whole thread proeprly. whatsup ?
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 17 2010 18:49 GMT
#30
"This final was a special one near and dear to my heart. It didn't really involve good looks, tyrannical opposition, or disfigured looking zerg players."

LOL I love it xD
:)
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 19:08:26
August 17 2010 19:07 GMT
#31
WCG:
(T)Flash 2 : 1 (T)Fantasy

MSL:

(T)Flash 2 : 3 (T)Fantasy

I'm pumped.
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Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
August 17 2010 19:12 GMT
#32
gogogo Fantasy!!!

im super-stoked for this. These are the top two terrans as of now, have quite arguably the the top two or three tvt's and both play a major role to their teams. Sadly, i think Fantasy will prob lose but who knows!!!
Fantasy is a beast
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 17 2010 19:15 GMT
#33
Man. Fantasy vs Flash always brings me back to that PL ace match shown in this thread lol
that Flash face is priceless
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
August 17 2010 19:18 GMT
#34
Elo says that Only Skyhigh has a chance of taking down Flash in Bo5.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
August 17 2010 19:33 GMT
#35
I'm not buying the hype. When was the last time Fantasy beat Flash in a normal macro game?

Skyhigh is the only Terran who has what it takes to beat Flash in a Bo5.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 17 2010 19:43 GMT
#36
On August 18 2010 04:33 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I'm not buying the hype. When was the last time Fantasy beat Flash in a normal macro game?

Skyhigh is the only Terran who has what it takes to beat Flash in a Bo5.



Never. Who cares, get excited. It's all the more reason fantasy will try and do some strange strategies involving ghosts and valks or something.
Each day gets better : )
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
August 17 2010 19:48 GMT
#37
On August 18 2010 02:08 aegisabcde wrote:
LOL (T)Flash vs (T)Fantasy for WCG and MSL are on the same (Z)Day!

If someone lost both, he'd be so sad.

Not to mention they are actually good friends! I wouldnt be surprised if they split it and Fantasy took the WCG series :-p
But jokes aside, they are going to give it their best, and I expect Flash to win both. Nonetheless I'm also curious to see what will have Boxer and Oov cooked up for Fantasy.
BW fighting!
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
August 17 2010 19:56 GMT
#38
I don't know who will win what, but I'm calling it now...

"Whoever wins the first BoX will take both. Double or nothing."
Simple reason? Momentum and depression. Momentum for the winner going straight into the next sets. Losers (not including the crazy idiot LWWW-lover that is Jaedong) need time to regroup and replan after a BoX loss, but the SAME DAY? Whoever wins will win both. Flash is still a kid, Fantasy will need run to his parents (the BOover crew) for guidance, both need time.

But honestly, my money's on Flash winning both. I don't understand why people are hyping Fanta so much. Have people already forgotten his previously abysmal performances simply because he's been on a hot streak the past few weeks?
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 17 2010 19:57 GMT
#39
Fantasy will be cheesy, proxy facs, 2 port, BBS, etc. Flash should see most of it coming, and take both series.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
August 17 2010 20:08 GMT
#40
Potentially EIGHT TvT in one night. If it were any other players, I would be crying. Hoping for some epic games.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 17 2010 20:16 GMT
#41
I think his new haircut is going to work out for him.
Each day gets better : )
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
August 17 2010 20:18 GMT
#42
so they're going to play the entire bo5 on one day? no more 1 game first then the other 4 the next week?

that's cool
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 17 2010 20:19 GMT
#43
As someone who is rooting for fantasy and even bet on fantasy... i think he's gonna lose. I don't care how many special builds he has, eventually its going to come down to mechanics and Flash has by far superior mechanics. I mean, just look how he beat ZerO in game 3 of WCG, to show you what Fantasy relies on to win. He an excellent player and I want him to win, but Flash is just too frickin good, and is a player that isn't reliant on the builds he uses, and rather on his mechanics.
Jaedong and Baby
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 17 2010 20:23 GMT
#44
On August 18 2010 05:19 Yxes2211 wrote:
As someone who is rooting for fantasy and even bet on fantasy... i think he's gonna lose. I don't care how many special builds he has, eventually its going to come down to mechanics and Flash has by far superior mechanics. I mean, just look how he beat ZerO in game 3 of WCG, to show you what Fantasy relies on to win. He an excellent player and I want him to win, but Flash is just too frickin good, and is a player that isn't reliant on the builds he uses, and rather on his mechanics.



Dare to dream my friend.

Dare to dream.

my friend.

Dream to dare.

friend, my dare dream to my dare dream.
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 18 2010 00:21 GMT
#45
Fantasy will win for sure

oov will have fun stuff
Writer
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 00:33:59
August 18 2010 00:31 GMT
#46
when i think fantasy i think of him getting verbally beatdown by his coaches during his finals with jaedong, with jaedong chillin in his booth laffin at the huge disparity between their ball sacks.

in other words i don't think fantasy has a chance. At least silver surfer is a cool nickname

edit:

On August 18 2010 03:29 Blackhole wrote:
Fantasy got this, his TvT is one of the main reasons he got silver in the 2008 Incruit OSL

manner
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 18 2010 00:38 GMT
#47
Man, what's up with the Fantasy hate. The dude is a legitimately good terran who will lose to Flash. I like them both.
May the BeSt man win.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
August 18 2010 00:39 GMT
#48
Someone should tally how many tanks splode throughout this whole ordeal.
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 18 2010 00:39 GMT
#49
On August 18 2010 05:18 Ikonn wrote:
so they're going to play the entire bo5 on one day? no more 1 game first then the other 4 the next week?

that's cool

Yeah, semis and finals are each in one day, while the Ro8 is split Bo5.

IMO the split Bo5 is completely stupid, but at least the semis and finals are normal.
May the BeSt man win.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 18 2010 00:53 GMT
#50
On August 18 2010 05:18 Ikonn wrote:
so they're going to play the entire bo5 on one day? no more 1 game first then the other 4 the next week?

that's cool


semi-finals and finals are played in 1 day

ro8 is in 2 days
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Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
August 18 2010 01:17 GMT
#51
(T)BoxeR will win by using maelstrom on everyone
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
August 18 2010 01:18 GMT
#52
On August 18 2010 05:08 B1nary wrote:
Potentially EIGHT TvT in one night. If it were any other players, I would be crying. Hoping for some epic games.

I'd take that than EIGHT ZvZ always.
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 01:28:27
August 18 2010 01:27 GMT
#53
On August 18 2010 02:12 dukethegold wrote:
Even as a Fantasy fan, I must admit that Fantasy's TvT is not up to the task of outplaying Flash straight up in standard games. Without mentioning Flash's superior mechanics, Flash's game sense is borderline map hacking. The one thing Fantasy has going for him is his variety and unpredictability in build order and abuse of map features. That, and Fantasy's vulture play is #1 in the world.

I also predict at least one 2 port from Fantasy. His wraith micro is sexy.

I believe that Fantasy will play against Flash straight up, to test his basics against Flash in WCG.

And unleash all of his anti-Flash builds in MSL. Let's keep in mind that Fantasy has been preparing for Flash since the playoff final. Is there is such a thing as a Flash sniper in the current scene, Fantasy is it.

Unless, of course, Fantasy mindfucks us all, and actually want WCG more than a MSL gold. Flash comes to WCG with the intention of playing just standard games and get fucked over by a combination of Boxer/Oov/Fantasy anti-Flash builds.

Ya Fantasy will be like "FUCK MSL I WANNA GO TO DISNEYLAND"

/unleash the Kraken ...

Flash is like "omg is this kid serious? its just wcg ffs"

Fantasy 2-0 Flash

Couple of hours later,

"Actually Flash, I want that MSL gold too lol"

/unleash the Kraken again ...

"... but but i thought we were friends"

"were"

3-0

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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
August 18 2010 02:47 GMT
#54
I don't understand what's with all the hype... Fantasy has easily the worst TvT of all top terrans.

Zero map awareness, sometimes not using any scan before the 25 min mark. Sure, he can micro wraiths, but TvT is one of the most complex matchups if not THE most complex matchup and Flash has proved that he can play and deal with most styles of TvT.

tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 02:57:09
August 18 2010 02:48 GMT
#55
On August 18 2010 05:19 Yxes2211 wrote:
As someone who is rooting for fantasy and even bet on fantasy... i think he's gonna lose. I don't care how many special builds he has, eventually its going to come down to mechanics and Flash has by far superior mechanics. I mean, just look how he beat ZerO in game 3 of WCG, to show you what Fantasy relies on to win. He an excellent player and I want him to win, but Flash is just too frickin good, and is a player that isn't reliant on the builds he uses, and rather on his mechanics.

Exactly, (T)Fantasy destroyed (Z)ZerO with phenominal wraith micro. His mechanics were vastly superior and.... wait, was that what you meant?
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theZab
Profile Joined September 2009
United States13 Posts
August 18 2010 03:18 GMT
#56
how'd you watch the zero/fantasy series already? it isnt up on nevake yet

hopefully fanta and flash will give us some interesting games instead of boring ass TvT

but lets be honest, flash is going to take osl, msl, and wcg :-D
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
August 18 2010 03:38 GMT
#57
--- Nuked ---
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
August 18 2010 04:50 GMT
#58
Also Jaedong vs Light (bo5 and bo3)... I am really surprised though, I didn't know you were a vulture and we go to the same school mang.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 18 2010 06:53 GMT
#59
On August 18 2010 13:50 dRaW wrote:
Also Jaedong vs Light (bo5 and bo3)... I am really surprised though, I didn't know you were a vulture and we go to the same school mang.



Wait you actually go to U of O?

Wait, are the guy who never came to the lans but always pretended?!
Each day gets better : )
khy
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States475 Posts
August 18 2010 07:03 GMT
#60
fantasy is MY atom bomb of carnal lust.

gotta hand both series to Flash, though. he's just that much better >.<
Thratur
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada917 Posts
August 18 2010 07:11 GMT
#61
On August 18 2010 15:53 ella_guru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 13:50 dRaW wrote:
Also Jaedong vs Light (bo5 and bo3)... I am really surprised though, I didn't know you were a vulture and we go to the same school mang.



Wait you actually go to U of O?

Wait, are the guy who never came to the lans but always pretended?!


Draw is the ACE of our CSL team that you never wanted to join. He destroyed everyone and is undefeated (except against Ret).

I don't think he ever pretended anything about the lans... but we did meet him at some weekly CSL meetings.
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
August 18 2010 07:21 GMT
#62
It doesn't matter if Fantasy is technically worse that Flash because MY LOVE WILL PULL HIM THROUGH!
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drlame
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden574 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 08:53:59
August 18 2010 08:53 GMT
#63
Lol, I'd love to see Flash play against some foreigner in the WCG, actually has Flash ever played against any foreigner?

Edit: sorry for offtopic (is it?lol)
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 18 2010 09:20 GMT
#64
On August 18 2010 09:38 Djabanete wrote:
Man, what's up with the Fantasy hate. The dude is a legitimately good terran who will lose to Flash. I like them both.


I think Fantasy is a gimmick.

At least his TvZ is. He has such awful bio play it's embarrassing.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 09:34:30
August 18 2010 09:30 GMT
#65
On August 18 2010 18:20 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 09:38 Djabanete wrote:
Man, what's up with the Fantasy hate. The dude is a legitimately good terran who will lose to Flash. I like them both.


I think Fantasy is a gimmick.

At least his TvZ is. He has such awful bio play it's embarrassing.


So having the 4th best TvZ in the world (I'd rate Sea's, Flash's and Light's above his these days) while playing unconventional/innovative/cool strategies most of the time doesn't deserve any recognition?

The guy (helped by Oov and Boxer, but giving them all the credit would be retarded) has brought a bowl of fresh air in both TvZ and (a little less so) TvP in the last few months (he brought the whole "run around the map harrassing with a dropship with tanks and tons of vultures on the ground" trend). I really can't comprehend why he's receiving so much hate.

Granted he doesn't have the same sheer mechanical skills as Flash, but so what? He's fucking entertaining as hell like almost every single time when he prepares his matches well.
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_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
August 18 2010 09:31 GMT
#66
On August 18 2010 17:53 drlame wrote:
Lol, I'd love to see Flash play against some foreigner in the WCG, actually has Flash ever played against any foreigner?

Edit: sorry for offtopic (is it?lol)


If two ICCUP C-ranks took him in a 2v1 on Fighting Spirit, do you think they could win?
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
August 18 2010 12:05 GMT
#67
I hate terrans, so this is the most ridiculous situation. I have to say that Flash is god of play and he should take both series although i hate him. Whyyyyy there have to be 2 x TvT, those are supposed to be the most exciting matches and not long slow paced bullshit where Flash rolls over Fantasy. Sigh
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 18 2010 12:12 GMT
#68
On August 18 2010 18:31 l0st_romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 17:53 drlame wrote:
Lol, I'd love to see Flash play against some foreigner in the WCG, actually has Flash ever played against any foreigner?

Edit: sorry for offtopic (is it?lol)


If two ICCUP C-ranks took him in a 2v1 on Fighting Spirit, do you think they could win?


He has, in WCG.

And no, he would lose.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 12:37:11
August 18 2010 12:34 GMT
#69
On August 18 2010 21:12 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 18:31 l0st_romantic wrote:
On August 18 2010 17:53 drlame wrote:
Lol, I'd love to see Flash play against some foreigner in the WCG, actually has Flash ever played against any foreigner?

Edit: sorry for offtopic (is it?lol)


If two ICCUP C-ranks took him in a 2v1 on Fighting Spirit, do you think they could win?


He has, in WCG.

And no, he would lose.

Flash hasn't been in WCG. AFAIK, the only time Flash played foreigners in a tournament (along with fantasy, curiously) was the 2009 Asian Indoor Games.

As someone reported, "Flash won in game 1 with a 2scv+1marine attack tvz. Won 2nd game with a full force 6 SCV attack."
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
August 18 2010 12:41 GMT
#70
You know... I heard this a lot with Fantasy...

Oh, he doesn't have the skill to do this or that...

Fantasy is CLUTCH. He was 5-0 in elimination games for SKT in the playoffs. When everything is on the line, Fantasy steps up.

Don't forget, OOV said Fantasy would overtake Flash right now. And what better place to do it, than WCG and MSL. If OOV told me I was going to be the #1 Terran in the world, I'd have the biggest confidence boost and play like a mad man.

I do see 1 winning WCG and the other winning MSL. I don't see a 2-0 sweep at all. So the question is, who wants what more?
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ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
August 18 2010 22:39 GMT
#71
Shits about to get way too real for all yall
Each day gets better : )
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
August 18 2010 22:47 GMT
#72
i cant rem a game of fantasy winning in a tvt in a late game
usually its special build or a smart push but i cant rem when he won on a late game... in tvt
and flash always no matter the situation can drag the game to late game so .. gg no re
flash will take 2nd place wcg no matter what and effort 3rd
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 19 2010 02:09 GMT
#73
On August 18 2010 21:34 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 21:12 Jakalo wrote:
On August 18 2010 18:31 l0st_romantic wrote:
On August 18 2010 17:53 drlame wrote:
Lol, I'd love to see Flash play against some foreigner in the WCG, actually has Flash ever played against any foreigner?

Edit: sorry for offtopic (is it?lol)


If two ICCUP C-ranks took him in a 2v1 on Fighting Spirit, do you think they could win?


He has, in WCG.

And no, he would lose.

Flash hasn't been in WCG. AFAIK, the only time Flash played foreigners in a tournament (along with fantasy, curiously) was the 2009 Asian Indoor Games.

As someone reported, "Flash won in game 1 with a 2scv+1marine attack tvz. Won 2nd game with a full force 6 SCV attack."

lol come on ... his opponent isn't even a Starcraft player for god's sake. I think the other team just tapped one of their FIFA players shoulder and went "Hey, we need a SC player and you're chosen to play against the most perfect Terran of all time, so do well". I bet Flash could have won with one hand AND blind-folded.

That's my first SC tournament (not technically a SC tournament but u get the point) that I watched live. But I was too much of a coward to come up to Young Ho and asked for a picture. So no brag blog for me *insert sad face*
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
August 19 2010 02:21 GMT
#74
On August 19 2010 07:47 pvzvt wrote:
i cant rem a game of fantasy winning in a tvt in a late game
usually its special build or a smart push but i cant rem when he won on a late game... in tvt
and flash always no matter the situation can drag the game to late game so .. gg no re
flash will take 2nd place wcg no matter what and effort 3rd

His game against Skyhigh was pretty awesome late game TvT. Of course he didnt really win it but it showed what he was capable of.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 19 2010 03:29 GMT
#75
On August 18 2010 18:31 l0st_romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 17:53 drlame wrote:
Lol, I'd love to see Flash play against some foreigner in the WCG, actually has Flash ever played against any foreigner?

Edit: sorry for offtopic (is it?lol)


If two ICCUP C-ranks took him in a 2v1 on Fighting Spirit, do you think they could win?


I don't know about the rankings anymore, but pre-SC2 C- were pretty bad, so I'd say yes. Maybe even C, but I doubt he could beat 2x C+...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 19 2010 15:20 GMT
#76
On August 18 2010 02:55 n.DieJokes wrote:
Fantasy is terrible and I look forward to seeing him exit two leagues in the same day, 4-0 inc.

Everything I said, 100% true!
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zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
August 19 2010 16:34 GMT
#77
On August 20 2010 00:20 n.DieJokes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 02:55 n.DieJokes wrote:
Fantasy is terrible and I look forward to seeing him exit two leagues in the same day, 4-0 inc.

Everything I said, 100% true!


Math is hard
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
August 19 2010 16:35 GMT
#78
On August 20 2010 00:20 n.DieJokes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 02:55 n.DieJokes wrote:
Fantasy is terrible and I look forward to seeing him exit two leagues in the same day, 4-0 inc.

Everything I said, 100% true!



Shame on you for calling Fantasy terrible after that series with Flash.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
August 19 2010 16:41 GMT
#79
you know, i used to hate on Fantasy just because my friend liked him. But, now, Jung Myung Hoon is my third favorite, behind Best and Free. I just hope for the best for the king of silver.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
August 19 2010 16:45 GMT
#80
On August 20 2010 01:41 Rkie wrote:
you know, i used to hate on Fantasy just because my friend liked him. But, now, Jung Myung Hoon is my third favorite, behind Best and Free. I just hope for the best for the king of silver.

Best Free Fantasy Wemade, omgggg imba
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 19 2010 18:25 GMT
#81
On August 20 2010 01:34 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2010 00:20 n.DieJokes wrote:
On August 18 2010 02:55 n.DieJokes wrote:
Fantasy is terrible and I look forward to seeing him exit two leagues in the same day, 4-0 inc.

Everything I said, 100% true!


Math is hard

No, my otherworldly abilities allowed me to perfectly predict the outcome of the series as well as the results of the first four games. If I had said, 5-0 inc. (like those less gifted) I would have been wrong
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