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On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road)
JD never got dual finals, something Flash did twice. JD never broke 2400 ELO, whereas Flash has been over 2400 pretty much all the time for months now. JD never had all his MU's above 70% (his ZvT is down to a measly 61% now), and Flash has the Kespa point record.
JD still has the lead in number of titles. That's a strong argument as to why he's the greatest and as of right now I would agree with that, but Flash has done several things JD never did and considering he's younger, has been a progamer for less time and is the currently clear #1 on the scene, that is a fact that could very well be changed in a couple of seasons (while JD will never get close to a 70% winrate in ZvT for instance).
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Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL?
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Wow. Greatttt stuff.
Lots of interesting data. A lot more proleague finalists than I thought... some players whom I've never even heard of... like TheBoy LOL
Thanks for the post!
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On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL?
lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it.
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On May 31 2010 04:59 [ur]Chin wrote:
Isn't Nal_ra KTF? Did he start on GO?
Quite certain he was bought, just like Reach, YellOw and others.
Remember, KTF, one of the largest phone companies in Korea = massive budget and specific interest in younger market
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On May 31 2010 06:09 [Azn]Nada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL? lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it.
Rofl, what, no, Lux was bought well before he won his MSL title for KT.
Also, Nal_rA got two titles under KT, I thought? I wasn't around back then, so I'm not exactly sure when KT bought him.
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On May 31 2010 05:48 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) JD never got dual finals, something Flash did twice. JD never broke 2400 ELO, whereas Flash has been over 2400 pretty much all the time for months now. JD never had all his MU's above 70% (his ZvT is down to a measly 61% now), and Flash has the Kespa point record. JD still has the lead in number of titles. That's a strong argument as to why he's the greatest and as of right now I would agree with that, but Flash has done several things JD never did and considering he's younger, has been a progamer for less time and is the currently clear #1 on the scene, that is a fact that could very well be changed in a couple of seasons (while JD will never get close to a 70% winrate in ZvT for instance).
maybe coz its ZvT and not TvZ for JD
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zomfg nice work. i like the comments on oov and yellow. ROTFLMAO
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On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:
oh right, back to back OSLs!!!
Not even Flash managed to get that.
JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road)
dude, being a royal roader or golden mouse means crap.
1. when Savior (who the fuck is savior anyways?) won his first MSL, no one cared about him because that MSL had full Z favored maps, especially ZvP, which was his finals match vs Reach. In fact, it was when he won SILVER in the next OSL that ppl proclaimed him as the best, despite loosing the finals. This is because he X-0'ed oov several times, which convincingly placed himself as the best player.
2. As for the Golden Mouse, look at July, who also happened to be a Royal Roader.
I am not dissing JD as worthless, but u gotta be pretty blind to claim JD>Flash. This is especially the problem since JD has been faltering lately, as seen by the Power Rank, KeSPA and ELO ratings.
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On May 31 2010 02:19 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 01:35 SuperArc wrote:On May 31 2010 01:26 DatTheMighty wrote:
jaedongs back to back osl is pretty important, his will broke the curse. oh right, back to back OSLs!!! Not even Flash managed to get that. JD>Flash (back to back OSL wins, Golden Mouse, Royal Road) In terms of greatest record, Nada>Jaedong (most SL wins, Golden Mouse, Golden Badge, Royal Road). Right now, Flash>Jaedong (KeSPA rank, ELO rank, Power Rank, MSL finals, win record, back to back dual finals). + Show Spoiler +From the MSL finals pre-game on stage interview: Commentators: Jaedong - who do you think is the best player right now? Jaedong: I always play and think I am the best. (cheers) Honestly the best player will be determined at the end of today's game and I'll make sure that is me.
reading this just makes me angry because you're so biased towards flash.
they're both great players, and everyone knows they say that shit in the finals to pump the fans up. dont be idiotic, you make all flash fans seem like douches.
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On May 31 2010 06:09 [Azn]Nada wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL? lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it.
Maybe you're thinking of ForGG? KT got him off of Oz (I think) for the reason you said but I dont think he ever beat Flash 3-0. Did beat him 3-1 (again, pretty sure) in Arena MSL and Luxury never beat Flash in a Bo5. I believe he beat him 2-0 in a Bo3 at some point though.
My apologies if this is all wrong 
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On May 31 2010 06:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2010 06:09 [Azn]Nada wrote:On May 31 2010 05:49 b0lt wrote:Wasn't luxury purchased by illegal betting sitesKT after he won his MSL? lol I'm pretty sure he was, especially after he beat Flash 3-0; KT wanted to relieve some pressure from flash and i guess they thought luxury was the one to do it. Rofl, what, no, Lux was bought well before he won his MSL title for KT. Also, Nal_rA got two titles under KT, I thought? I wasn't around back then, so I'm not exactly sure when KT bought him.
KTF bought Nal_rA just days after he won NHN OSL 
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Flash is obviously better right now but Jaedong has been in the finals 7 out of the last 8 OSL/MSL seasons. When Flash stays that good for that long maybe he can be considered a better all-time player.
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I wonder if KTR will try to buy Effort next?
He beat Flash AND won an OSL. :p
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On May 31 2010 06:58 SuperArc wrote:I wonder if KTR will try to buy Effort next? He beat Flash AND won an OSL. :p
KT need a winningful zerg so badly >_<
No way they'll get Effort though. They should've snatched Kwanro while he was on the move.
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Great analysis, appreciate the effort you put into this!
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Wow, seven 3-0 sweeps in TvZ finals?
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lol "So if you ever find yourself qualifying for an individual league final and Yellow is your opponent – kick back, relax, visit Thailand; Yellow will likely roll over for you on the night of the finals." laughed my ass off at this
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Thank you very much for the info. I think it's time to pester blizz to go back and give P a buff in sc1.
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Yellow is a real man!! ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Real nice post btw.
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EPT
