On May 16 2010 10:59 lone_hydra wrote:
The only MU current Flash can be called a god in right now is TvP. He still drops games here and there to no namers and many terrans/zergs can put up a good fight.

Flash has claimed that TvP is his weakest MU, and TvZ is his best. I think that says something about current Protoss progamers.

DarkMatter_

Canada1774 Posts

May 16 2010 02:15 GMT

#102

On May 16 2010 11:05 TheYango wrote:

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On May 16 2010 10:52 DarkMatter_ wrote:

On May 16 2010 07:58 space_yes wrote:

On May 16 2010 07:34 DarkMatter_ wrote:
This is seriously getting out of hand. While I was hoping for a close 3-2 victory for Jaedong in the finals (assuming he makes it past Calm), I'm beginning to wish he would just rape Flash 3-0 so everyone will shut up about with this "Flash isn't bonjwa, he's God herp derp" nonsense. On the other hand, if Flash beats Jaedong 3-0, I'm probably going to stop following progaming simply because I wouldn't be able to tolerate the rabid Flash fanboys anymore.

Lol no one is really calling Flash God. It's a hyperbole; a metaphor for absolute pwnage i.e. God is traditionally defined as omnipotent and all-powerful two things you could say describe Flash's dominance in the world of Starcraft currently. The article was a commentary on Flash's psychology and was based on his own interview statements. I thought the God thing was both an appropriate metaphor (given Flash's belief he has achieved some sort of Buddha-like Starcraft enlightenment) and very funny at the same time (the pictures were great!).

Say your prayers to Flash haters!

I am aware that no one believes that Flash is literally God, thanks. -_-
My point is that calling Flash God, even purely in the context of Starcraft, is incredibly annoying and simply not valid. It seems like a poor way of dealing with the whole "Is Flash bonjwa?" controversy by going down an even more extreme, obnoxious route by declaring that "Flash isn't bonjwa, he's God".

Flash is not the God of Starcraft. It's just that he has an amazing ability to consistently beat players who are clearly below his level (just about everyone besides Jaedong), which is what separates him from Jaedong who is still vulnerable to losing against lesser players (except in Bo5s). He just happens to be an amazing player who is extremely consistent. However, Flash is far from invincible when faced against another S-class player at their peak level (NATE MSL finals, EVER OSL game against Stork). Unfortunately, we are in a period where there really aren't any truly great players with the exception of Flash and Jaedong. What does it say about the current state of progaming when the 3rd ranked player puts up such a pathetic performance in the semi-finals of a starleague? (yes, Flash played amazingly as always but even considering that, does anyone actually believe that Free's performance was anywhere close to acceptable for a 3rd rank player?)

I really don't understand what the basis is behind the claim that Flash has completely figured out Starcraft when he's been almost entirely facing against cheeses and cookie-cutter builds. The only player in recent times who showed a great amount of ingenuity against Flash in a Bo5 was Jaedong, and he beat Flash 3-1. So until Flash stomps over an opponent who is actually prepared with well thought-out strategies and the mechanics to execute those strategies properly (i.e. Jaedong), Flash is nowhere close to being the "God of Starcraft".

So is your logic about why we should call Jaedong "the Tyrant" equally well thought out?

I generally don't use terms like Tyrant and Ultimate Weapon myself, but the connotation behind the title "Tyrant" is that he is dominant and punishing. On the other hand, based on this thread, the connotation behind the title "God" seems to be that he has completely figured out Starcraft and has transcended to a whole new level of enlightenment. The former is a fairly reasonable title to give to a dominating player, the latter is just plain stupid even when applied to a player as good as Flash.

LunarDestiny

United States4177 Posts

May 16 2010 02:25 GMT

#103

By your standard, then nicknames such as Sashin, God of War, and Perfect Terran are all stupid?

dtnmang

Vietnam752 Posts

May 16 2010 02:26 GMT

#104

On May 16 2010 11:15 DarkMatter_ wrote:I generally don't use terms like Tyrant and Ultimate Weapon myself, but the connotation behind the title "Tyrant" is that he is dominant and punishing. On the other hand, based on this thread, the connotation behind the title "God" seems to be that he has completely figured out Starcraft and has transcended to a whole new level of enlightenment. The former is a fairly reasonable title to give to a dominating player, the latter is just plain stupid even when applied to a player as good as Flash.

Well he has.
Haven't you read the article carefully?

Kyuukyuu

Canada6263 Posts

May 16 2010 02:30 GMT

#105

On May 16 2010 11:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
By your standard, then nicknames such as Sashin, God of War, and Perfect Terran are all stupid?

The first two use "God" in an entirely different way and I know you know it.

Perfect Terran only referred to his play on one map too (iirc) so lol? It's not the same at all.

DarkMatter_

Canada1774 Posts

May 16 2010 02:37 GMT

#106

On May 16 2010 11:25 LunarDestiny wrote:
By your standard, then nicknames such as Sashin, God of War, and Perfect Terran are all stupid?

They're just silly terms used to give some kind of marketable identity to players. The problem comes when you read into it too much and start making absurd and silly claims based on them (which is what's happening in this thread).

Drk_ItachiX

Japan113 Posts

May 16 2010 02:38 GMT

#107

I wonder if Flash can dominate just as hard if he switched to either Zerg or Protoss.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

May 16 2010 02:53 GMT

#108

On May 16 2010 11:37 DarkMatter_ wrote:

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I don't think anyone is reading too much into it except those who think it's inappropriate lol.

The only time the word "God" showed up in the OP was in the silly comic and captions. As far as the idea of enlightenment, all that's coming from is analysis of what Flash meant when he said it on a TV show.

Lightwip

United States5497 Posts

May 16 2010 03:06 GMT

#109

On May 16 2010 11:38 Drk_ItachiX wrote:
I wonder if Flash can dominate just as hard if he switched to either Zerg or Protoss.

I doubt it. And he would set himself years back if he switched.

jodogohoo

Canada2533 Posts

May 16 2010 03:21 GMT

#110

FUCK YEAH, GREAT ARTICLE.
Man that was an awesome read!

Lazerbeems

151 Posts

May 16 2010 03:30 GMT

#111

On May 16 2010 12:06 Lightwip wrote:

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I doubt it. And he would set himself years back if he switched.

He probably wouldn't be completely dominant but he'd be pretty good. He plays a really mean protoss. In a showmatch with Best where both players switched races, he completely destroyed Best like a D rank scrub.

hyst.eric.al

United States2332 Posts

May 16 2010 03:34 GMT

#112

fascinating read, gj

MrHoon

10183 Posts

May 16 2010 03:40 GMT

#113

lol you know many people rejected the name Tyrant when I first brought it up on TL
IRONY TASTES SO GUD

o[twist]

United States4903 Posts

May 16 2010 05:24 GMT

#114

nice read

wiesel

Germany727 Posts

May 16 2010 05:24 GMT

#115

Good article, thank you.

EPO

Canada341 Posts

May 16 2010 05:30 GMT

#116

We got some ppl with God-issues taking some phrases a little too seriously up in here!

Good article OP. 5/5

JaedongMidasAction

United States70 Posts

May 16 2010 06:10 GMT

#117

He just lost to effort. suck it.

bubblegumbo

Taiwan1296 Posts

May 16 2010 06:15 GMT

#118

Nobody is going to call Flash "God" as a nickname, it's just doesn't sound good, not to mention that it will be offensive to some. Stop making a big deal out of nothing.

MrHoon

10183 Posts

May 16 2010 06:28 GMT

#119

On May 16 2010 15:10 JaedongMidasAction wrote:
hay guys ima spoil everything lollololo btw im srsly a flash fan.

no really you're shaping up to be an excellent poster

Raz0r

United States287 Posts

May 16 2010 06:34 GMT

#120

why can't there be a protoss player who ascends above all like savior and flash!?! >

There's always a zerg or terran that is being unstoppable for a ridiculous long time, 6 dragons was just a brief period compared to the dominance of savior, flash, and jaedong.