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Milkis
5003 Posts
Win Percentage over 100 games ![[image loading]](http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x76/OrangeMilkis/winrate.png) I purposely took out the players' names in the graph. Here's a challenge -- can you recognize who is who by their win percents? Answers: + Show Spoiler + Black - Boxer Green - iloveoov Pink - Bisu Red - Jaedong Brown/Maroon - Flash Light Brown - Stork Light Blue - Nada Purple - Savior LOL Source: http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=mania&wr_id=62238 | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
 Other than that, bleh... and yeah, purple is lol. Nice graph! | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On May 08 2010 15:33 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: how exactly is this measured? is just their winrate at that specific game? or is it some prediction, because I'm almost positive (although I'll check right now) that FlaSh doesn't have an over 80% overall win rate. Other than that, it seems pretty accurate, and it's cool to see a comparison of where these great players were at their prime relative to the rest of the competition. Now we really know that FlaSh is the greatest of all time. Over the last 100 games. | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
So we could watch for example Saviors winratio over the last 100 games compared to a time, for example 08-06. (unless I'm looking at it wrongly.. i just woke up) | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On May 08 2010 15:46 StylishVODs wrote: Nice graph, although I'd really like dates or timephrames (not too detailed) listen on the x line rather than number of games. Would make it more fun to watch;) So we could watch for example Saviors winratio over the last 100 games compared to a time, for example 08-06. (unless I'm looking at it wrongly.. i just woke up) Yeah. having the win% over the course of the past ~8 years would be very interesting. obviously most players won't have data along the majority of the graph, but it would show who was dominating for their respective era. Still, this graph was entertaining. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
even though JD got the win rate to be bonjwa class, Flash just made him look like a child. | ||
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professorjoak
318 Posts
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Fx_
503 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
And nada to a lesser extent.. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 08 2010 16:09 writer22816 wrote: NaDa still hanging in there, what a fucking hero. As much as I like Nada "still hanging in there" is a bit misleading, given that he's played only 4 games since the start of 2010. The way this is set up, he could stop playing altogether, and his curve would look the exact same. This is true of all old gamers, and as such, really isn't a measure of current performance in any way. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
And Nada. what a fukin baller. don't ever hate on him, he's so f'ing consistent, look at that graph, stayed almost horizontal while everyone else went down. ... everyone else, that is, except Flash, who is going up up up. Ridiculous. He still hasn't hit his peak yet. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
Since the first game after his self-nuking vs sAvior | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
Thanks for putting the graph together, it really shows the change in skill for the players. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 08 2010 17:17 Caos2 wrote: Bisu is back to where he started and Jaedong just completed a full sine wave (and now he's supposed to rise again). I think the scariest part is that even if he starts rising again, it will be incredibly difficult to catch up to Flash. | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
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collegeBored
United States1524 Posts
On May 08 2010 16:15 TheYango wrote: As much as I like Nada "still hanging in there" is a bit misleading, given that he's played only 4 games since the start of 2010. The way this is set up, he could stop playing altogether, and his curve would look the exact same. This is true of all old gamers, and as such, really isn't a measure of current performance in any way. i think he phrased it wrong. the point imo is that nada's THE most consistent player ever (obviously not counting ppl who are consistently bad haha). and good god, flash.. hows that even possible. | ||
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sungsik-
Korea (South)14 Posts
additional info. The best official 100games of each player. Boxer - win rate 66% Nada - win rate 72% iloveoov - win rate 75% Savior - win rate 71% Stork - win rate 70% Bisu - win rate 77% Jaedong - win rate 74% Flash - win rate 83% another add info. The best 10 games : 10 games 10 wins 100% / GoRush, Effort, Yellow, Kingdom, Jaedong, Flash, iloveoov, Nada, Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, Best, ChoJJa, Much, Midas, Mensol, Fantasy, Leta The best 20 games : 20games 19wins 95% / GoRush The best 30 games : 30games 27wins 90% / iloveoov(4times), Flash(2times) The best 50 games : 50games 43 wins 86% / Flash (2times) The best 100games : 100games 83wins 83% / Flash | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
The best 50 games : 50games 43 wins 86% / Flash (2times) Does this mean Flash achieved 86% over 50 games over 2 50-game periods? That's incredibly impressive. | ||
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sungsik-
Korea (South)14 Posts
Also korean started to call Flash as GOD Young-Ho.(Young-Ho is flash's real name) What this means is boxer, nada, oov, savior are four BonJwa, which is used to represent players who dominate for long time, and flash is the first God line. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:30 sungsik- wrote: The best 30 games : 30games 27wins 90% / iloveoov(4times), Flash(2times) The best 50 games : 50games 43 wins 86% / Flash (2times) The best 100games : 100games 83wins 83% / Flash Do the multiple-time counts include overlapping periods? | ||
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sungsik-
Korea (South)14 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:32 uriel- wrote: Does this mean Flash achieved 86% over 50 games over 2 50-game periods? That's incredibly impressive. yes, for 2009-10-10 ~ 2010-01-27,and 2010-01-26 ~ 2010-05-07 | ||
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sungsik-
Korea (South)14 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:37 TheYango wrote: Do the multiple-time counts include overlapping periods? I guess the best 30s are included in best 50s, and the best 50 is surely included in best 100. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:40 sungsik- wrote: I guess the best 30s are included in best 50s, and the best 50 is surely included in best 100. I meant specifically wiether iloveoov's 4 periods of 30 games at 90% win rate overlap with one another, etc., but the periods you provided for Flash's 2 best 50s seems to answer that question. | ||
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sungsik-
Korea (South)14 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:42 TheYango wrote: I meant specifically wiether iloveoov's 4 periods of 30 games at 90% win rate overlap with one another, etc., but the periods you provided for Flash's 2 best 50s seems to answer that question. I dont think each rate in the same count doesnt overlap with any other. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
the dominators of old times like nada or oov had less pl matches to play, so that a higher percentage of their games was played in starleagues, which can be expected to yield a tougher competition. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:53 Black Gun wrote: dont get overexcited about flashs statistics. ofc his achievements and domination lately are beyond words, but still his statistics are inflated because of the many proleague and winners league matches. the dominators of old times like nada or oov had less pl matches to play, so that a higher percentage of their games was played in starleagues, which can be expected to yield a tougher competition. Even his Starleague games, I bet he has 80%+... haven't checked though. He's been 3-0, 3-1'ing people left and right in both leagues. EDIT: Well... it's pretty close. Flash is 73% in his last 100 individual league games and 78% in his last 50 (That's higher than anyone besides Oov's peak). What a fucking beast. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:54 teamsolid wrote: Even his Starleague games, I bet he has 80%+... haven't checked though. He's been 3-0, 3-1'ing people left and right in both leagues. Indeed, Flash is 82% in the current OSL + MSL games... | ||
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TheMunkey
Canada470 Posts
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SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
Either way, i only guessed nada,boxer, and flash correct. the rest is too vague =( | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:36 sungsik- wrote: Also korean started to call Flash as GOD Young-Ho.(Young-Ho is flash's real name) What this means is boxer, nada, oov, savior are four BonJwa, which is used to represent players who dominate for long time, and flash is the first God line.  | ||
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x11tman
Finland50 Posts
Bisu has been my favorite player and I think I started watching pro starcraft right about when he started his rocket-like climb from his first slump to win another MSL and GOM Classic S2... LOL. He needs to do it again. EDIT: And I forgot to mention Bisu's 53 wins in the 2008-2009 Proleague season. Flash's graph is pretty godlike and Jaedong's high level consistency is extremely impressive. | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
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lgd-haze
Sweden547 Posts
This means no more "Flash is bonjwa!" thread? Koreans aknowledge him as one step ahead of that, hooray! | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
I seems like savior has a winratio near to zero just because the stupid graph starts at 40%. They should have used a exponentially function for the ordinate as well, it would have looked even more mind-blowing. That said, the information itself is still very interersting. | ||
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x11tman
Finland50 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 08 2010 21:26 Keniji wrote: I hate this horrible and misleading graphs. I seems like savior has a winratio near to zero just because the stupid graph starts at 40%. They should have used a exponentially function for the ordinate as well, it would have looked even more mind-blowing. That said, the information itself is still very interersting. You hate it because you neglect seeing the facts presented? You can clearly see the win% in the left. I could say I hate this graph coz it looks just like random strokes to me :O | ||
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Lazerbeems
151 Posts
On May 08 2010 22:01 Slunk wrote: Stork needs to quit WoW and kick some ass. Its not WoW anymore, get with the times. He's too busy playing the Korean version of Farmville | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:36 sungsik- wrote: Also korean started to call Flash as GOD Young-Ho.(Young-Ho is flash's real name) What this means is boxer, nada, oov, savior are four BonJwa, which is used to represent players who dominate for long time, and flash is the first God line. Haha, I like that name. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
holy crap @ flash and nada | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On May 08 2010 22:22 StylishVODs wrote: You hate it because you neglect seeing the facts presented? You can clearly see the win% in the left. I could say I hate this graph coz it looks just like random strokes to me :O Read my text again. It seems like =! I don't see the facts. Of course you can see the facts if you look at the graph "in detail", tho on the first view, it looks more dramatically then it actually is. You know there are whole jobs based on "manipulating" statistics with graphs (ie. labeling the ordinate "unusual") so you can trick people in seeing things that are not really there. Not everyone is as smart as you are and not every graph is that easy to see throw like this one, but it's still a problem. There is no problem with starting at 0% (except it wouldn't look so dramatically). I know it's not a big deal, but I just don't like it showing statistics in a way they not really are. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
Throw in triple crown and hungry zerg in there =). Although their pattern would probably be just like the other old gamers. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 09 2010 01:30 Keniji wrote: Read my text again. It seems like =! I don't see the facts. Of course you can see the facts if you look at the graph "in detail", tho on the first view, it looks more dramatically then it actually is. You know there are whole jobs based on "manipulating" statistics with graphs (ie. labeling the ordinate "unusual") so you can trick people in seeing things that are not really there. Not everyone is as smart as you are and not every graph is that easy to see throw like this one, but it's still a problem. There is no problem with starting at 0% (except it wouldn't look so dramatically). I know it's not a big deal, but I just don't like it showing statistics in a way they not really are. I didn't say you didn't see the facts, just that you neglected seeing them... Starting with 0% would be useless for the data since no data covers 0% winratio for any player. Graphs are ment to show the important parts. Like you wouldn't let the y-line, measured in number of titles, continue up to 1000 on a graph that shows how many SL titles each progamer has won simply because there are no data that reaches that many. I understand what you mean though, but I felt you were abit harsh on the graph... You could argue that you hate graphs in general | ||
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pyr0ma5ta
United States458 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On May 09 2010 02:43 StylishVODs wrote: I didn't say you didn't see the facts, just that you neglected seeing them... Starting with 0% would be useless for the data since no data covers 0% winratio for any player. Graphs are ment to show the important parts. Like you wouldn't let the y-line, measured in number of titles, continue up to 1000 on a graph that shows how many SL titles each progamer has won simply because there are no data that reaches that many. I understand what you mean though, but I felt you were abit harsh on the graph... You could argue that you hate graphs in general yea i probably was a way too harsh through some circumstances (I had to do with a really misleading graph for stock price today, the graph was so awful, it was not even funny). btw i do not hate graphs in general, but the way they are used sometimes | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:42 Keniji wrote: yea i probably was a way too harsh through some circumstances (I had to do with a really misleading graph for stock price today, the graph was so awful, it was not even funny). btw i do not hate graphs in general, but the way they are used sometimes Fair enough  | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=122383 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/icH7o.png) | ||
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CagedMind
United States506 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
edit: 3 right, 3 wrong | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On May 09 2010 12:25 CagedMind wrote: Win rate is so meaningless. You could be messing around or start late in ladder so you go like 20-0 beating noobs. Uhh, this isn't iCCup. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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zgl
United States1055 Posts
On May 09 2010 03:20 bubblegumbo wrote: It's good to see people not use the B word anymore. That term is no longer good enough to describe Flash. Yet he still has less Star League wins than Nada, Oov, Savior... don't diss the Bonjwas with shit like this. | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
to bad all his losses are thrown games!! | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On May 09 2010 15:58 zgl wrote: Yet he still has less Star League wins than Nada, Oov, Savior... don't diss the Bonjwas with shit like this. He's seventeen goddamn. He has more titles than any person at seventeen. When he's as old as Jaedong is we'll see if he has four titles or not (hint Flash is gonna have four titles this year, probably this month). | ||
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sungsik-
Korea (South)14 Posts
On May 09 2010 12:25 CagedMind wrote: Win rate is so meaningless. You could be messing around or start late in ladder so you go like 20-0 beating noobs. This is not iccup, and this graph represents only officail games, which means they didn't play noob or amateurs at least in this graph. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On May 08 2010 19:57 okum wrote: Indeed, Flash is 82% in the current OSL + MSL games... its like.. ro8.. and he keeps playing cream puff opponents -_- | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
I think he didn't read the post at all...boosting for post count? | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
flash is just ridiculous. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
On May 10 2010 00:58 Katsuge wrote: only managed to guess super obvious ones..nada,savior,flash(LOL) flash is just ridiculous. I thought flash was Jaedong and Jaedong was Flash lol. I just love zerg sooooo much better than the primitive terrans. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On May 09 2010 15:58 zgl wrote: Yet he still has less Star League wins than Nada, Oov, Savior... don't diss the Bonjwas with shit like this. yea lol In the span of 22 months Flash has won 2 OSLs In the span of 19 months sAviOr won an OSL and 3 MSLs.. Not to mention.. sAviOr's OSL run was probably the hardest ever.. | ||
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