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bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
May 08 2010 18:20 GMT
#61
It's good to see people not use the B word anymore. That term is no longer good enough to describe Flash.
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Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 08 2010 18:42 GMT
#62
On May 09 2010 02:43 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 01:30 Keniji wrote:
On May 08 2010 22:22 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 08 2010 21:26 Keniji wrote:
I hate this horrible and misleading graphs.
I seems like savior has a winratio near to zero just because the stupid graph starts at 40%. They should have used a exponentially function for the ordinate as well, it would have looked even more mind-blowing. That said, the information itself is still very interersting.


You hate it because you neglect seeing the facts presented?
You can clearly see the win% in the left.

I could say I hate this graph coz it looks just like random strokes to me :O


Read my text again. It seems like =! I don't see the facts.
Of course you can see the facts if you look at the graph "in detail", tho on the first view, it looks more dramatically then it actually is. You know there are whole jobs based on "manipulating" statistics with graphs (ie. labeling the ordinate "unusual") so you can trick people in seeing things that are not really there. Not everyone is as smart as you are and not every graph is that easy to see throw like this one, but it's still a problem. There is no problem with starting at 0% (except it wouldn't look so dramatically).

I know it's not a big deal, but I just don't like it showing statistics in a way they not really are.


I didn't say you didn't see the facts, just that you neglected seeing them...

Starting with 0% would be useless for the data since no data covers 0% winratio for any player.
Graphs are ment to show the important parts. Like you wouldn't let the y-line, measured in number of titles, continue up to 1000 on a graph that shows how many SL titles each progamer has won simply because there are no data that reaches that many.

I understand what you mean though, but I felt you were abit harsh on the graph...
You could argue that you hate graphs in general


yea i probably was a way too harsh through some circumstances (I had to do with a really misleading graph for stock price today, the graph was so awful, it was not even funny).

btw i do not hate graphs in general, but the way they are used sometimes
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 08 2010 18:44 GMT
#63
On May 09 2010 03:42 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 02:43 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 09 2010 01:30 Keniji wrote:
On May 08 2010 22:22 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 08 2010 21:26 Keniji wrote:
I hate this horrible and misleading graphs.
I seems like savior has a winratio near to zero just because the stupid graph starts at 40%. They should have used a exponentially function for the ordinate as well, it would have looked even more mind-blowing. That said, the information itself is still very interersting.


You hate it because you neglect seeing the facts presented?
You can clearly see the win% in the left.

I could say I hate this graph coz it looks just like random strokes to me :O


Read my text again. It seems like =! I don't see the facts.
Of course you can see the facts if you look at the graph "in detail", tho on the first view, it looks more dramatically then it actually is. You know there are whole jobs based on "manipulating" statistics with graphs (ie. labeling the ordinate "unusual") so you can trick people in seeing things that are not really there. Not everyone is as smart as you are and not every graph is that easy to see throw like this one, but it's still a problem. There is no problem with starting at 0% (except it wouldn't look so dramatically).

I know it's not a big deal, but I just don't like it showing statistics in a way they not really are.


I didn't say you didn't see the facts, just that you neglected seeing them...

Starting with 0% would be useless for the data since no data covers 0% winratio for any player.
Graphs are ment to show the important parts. Like you wouldn't let the y-line, measured in number of titles, continue up to 1000 on a graph that shows how many SL titles each progamer has won simply because there are no data that reaches that many.

I understand what you mean though, but I felt you were abit harsh on the graph...
You could argue that you hate graphs in general


yea i probably was a way too harsh through some circumstances (I had to do with a really misleading graph for stock price today, the graph was so awful, it was not even funny).

btw i do not hate graphs in general, but the way they are used sometimes


Fair enough
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 20:19:55
May 08 2010 20:17 GMT
#64
similar idea as my graph
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=122383
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CagedMind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States506 Posts
May 09 2010 03:25 GMT
#65
Win rate is so meaningless. You could be messing around or start late in ladder so you go like 20-0 beating noobs.
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 06:48:32
May 09 2010 06:46 GMT
#66
Guessing dark brown = flash, red = JD, light purple = Bisu, green = savior, light blue = stork. Now to check...
edit: 3 right, 3 wrong
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
May 09 2010 06:51 GMT
#67
On May 09 2010 12:25 CagedMind wrote:
Win rate is so meaningless. You could be messing around or start late in ladder so you go like 20-0 beating noobs.

Uhh, this isn't iCCup.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 09 2010 06:58 GMT
#68
Got everything (guessed Boxer) except Stork. I didn't know he'd play so many games. Really surprising.
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zgl
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1055 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 07:00:29
May 09 2010 06:58 GMT
#69
On May 09 2010 03:20 bubblegumbo wrote:
It's good to see people not use the B word anymore. That term is no longer good enough to describe Flash.

Yet he still has less Star League wins than Nada, Oov, Savior... don't diss the Bonjwas with shit like this.
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
May 09 2010 07:25 GMT
#70
T.t savior

to bad all his losses are thrown games!!
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 09 2010 07:30 GMT
#71
On May 09 2010 15:58 zgl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 03:20 bubblegumbo wrote:
It's good to see people not use the B word anymore. That term is no longer good enough to describe Flash.

Yet he still has less Star League wins than Nada, Oov, Savior... don't diss the Bonjwas with shit like this.


He's seventeen goddamn. He has more titles than any person at seventeen. When he's as old as Jaedong is we'll see if he has four titles or not (hint Flash is gonna have four titles this year, probably this month).
Remember Violet.
sungsik-
Profile Joined October 2008
Korea (South)14 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 07:50:46
May 09 2010 07:48 GMT
#72
On May 09 2010 12:25 CagedMind wrote:
Win rate is so meaningless. You could be messing around or start late in ladder so you go like 20-0 beating noobs.


This is not iccup, and this graph represents only officail games, which means they didn't play noob or amateurs at least in this graph.
nothing
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
May 09 2010 15:52 GMT
#73
On May 08 2010 19:57 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2010 19:54 teamsolid wrote:
On May 08 2010 19:53 Black Gun wrote:
dont get overexcited about flashs statistics. ofc his achievements and domination lately are beyond words, but still his statistics are inflated because of the many proleague and winners league matches.

the dominators of old times like nada or oov had less pl matches to play, so that a higher percentage of their games was played in starleagues, which can be expected to yield a tougher competition.

Even his Starleague games, I bet he has 80%+... haven't checked though. He's been 3-0, 3-1'ing people left and right in both leagues.

Indeed, Flash is 82% in the current OSL + MSL games...

its like.. ro8.. and he keeps playing cream puff opponents -_-
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 15:58:31
May 09 2010 15:57 GMT
#74
was able to get NaDa, Flash, Savior...

On May 09 2010 15:51 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 12:25 CagedMind wrote:
Win rate is so meaningless. You could be messing around or start late in ladder so you go like 20-0 beating noobs.

Uhh, this isn't iCCup.

I think he didn't read the post at all...boosting for post count?
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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
May 09 2010 15:58 GMT
#75
only managed to guess super obvious ones..nada,savior,flash(LOL)

flash is just ridiculous.
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
May 09 2010 15:59 GMT
#76
I guess all but Jaedong correctly.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
May 09 2010 16:00 GMT
#77
On May 10 2010 00:58 Katsuge wrote:
only managed to guess super obvious ones..nada,savior,flash(LOL)

flash is just ridiculous.

I thought flash was Jaedong and Jaedong was Flash lol. I just love zerg sooooo much better than the primitive terrans.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
May 09 2010 16:01 GMT
#78
On May 09 2010 15:58 zgl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 03:20 bubblegumbo wrote:
It's good to see people not use the B word anymore. That term is no longer good enough to describe Flash.

Yet he still has less Star League wins than Nada, Oov, Savior... don't diss the Bonjwas with shit like this.

yea lol
In the span of 22 months Flash has won 2 OSLs
In the span of 19 months sAviOr won an OSL and 3 MSLs..

Not to mention.. sAviOr's OSL run was probably the hardest ever..
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