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51507 Posts
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wow upmagic and sangho removed????????????
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NOOOOOOOOOOO
tushin 
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Baa?21244 Posts
Holy crap Upmagic, Sangho, Luxury, and...July =( all removed?
o.o
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Wtf Khan? Removed M18M and Miracle. Don't get it. Also don't get UpMagic's removal.
As for July, this might be the beginning of the end. =(
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Does being removed from the roster means they are demoted to B - team or ? Does STX even have a B - team ?
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Didn't miracle just got in for turn? and upmagic, july, lux and sangho nooooooo!!!!!
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Did something happen to Upmagic??? I know he didn't do to hot in WL, but something must have happened to get taken of the roster
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July, UpMagiC, and SangHo out wtf O_O
M18M too, he's actually pretty decent, despite being on a team where he never gets to play
crazy changes
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Katowice25012 Posts
I always get the feeling like July just isn't into playing on the A team anymore, he still does okay when he plays but he never appears in the lineups when hes on the roster and active. He went 13-6 in pl last season and did fine in WL, and just disappeared from the lineup this season.
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WTF, UPMAGIC? WHY IS UPMAGIC GONE?
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wtf no sangho AND upmagic?
let me know wht estro coaches smoke so i can avoid it
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I don't understand. Did Upmagic and Sangho get into a fight with the couch or something? Was July eating too much?
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so estro's so called A team left with
Really
Action =/
Hyvaa??? LOL
Gosi flying LOL
i also dont get it why M18M and miracle remove,M18M > flash and miracle wasnt too bad since he did decent for destroying kwanro in PL finals
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Wow I guess Luxury is really sick.. or he's slumping SO bad
hmm..
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United States4796 Posts
UpmagiC? Luxury? SangHo? What's going on?
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On April 08 2010 13:52 justiceknight wrote:
so estro's so called A team left with
Really
Action =/
Hyvaa??? LOL
Gosi flying LOL
i also dont get it why M18M and miracle remove,M18M > flash and miracle wasnt too bad since he did decent for destroying kwanro in PL finals
+ Show Spoiler +
Action really good.
Flying has flair.
But yeah, it still makes no sense. Sangho sucked, but at least UpMagic was decent.
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If i remember correctly, Luxury is on medical leave, so no reason to keep him in the roster this month.
I haven't heard from Upmagic and Sangho much. Guess they expired.
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dangit i had upmagic on my antiteam
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Luxuryyyyyyy noooo. Please get better man. lol
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Lol, yes, get rid of one of the ONLY tosses to beat this Flash this season. That alone should deserve a spot on the A-team...
in other news,
NOOOOOOOOO FLYING TUSHIN NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! ='(
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estro MUST be thinking april fools was the 7th
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I wonder if IdrA still plays at the CJ hosue...?
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So is Upmagic captain still?
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United States13896 Posts
Anyone else get the feeling July has already applied to go into ACE or is leaning in that direction but the news hasn't gotten out yet? Why else would they drop him off the A-Team roster now after already keeping him on the roster for almost a year without using him?
On April 08 2010 14:06 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
So is Upmagic captain still?
Really is the team captain now.
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Wow.. didn't expect to see UpMagic and SangHo (for eSTRO) or July getting demoted.. Guess we'll see what happens. Especially interested in seeing what happens with eSTRO.
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from MSL champion to B-teamer in one year
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United States13896 Posts
That's what being on KT(F) will do to a player.
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Upmagic looks like he's high all the time.
Maybe he really is?
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Katowice25012 Posts
Lux is just being bad for a while to give his brother a chance to catch up duh
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I got the idea that Upmagic was disgruntled about something. Admittedly, I don't remember exactly why, but he gave some weird interviews (also sometimes he would refuse interviews), and it felt like something might be wrong there.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Up? Uhhh Up T_T
I liked M18M.
Oh, and these guys are going to get taken off of the FPL rosters eventually, da?
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wow even though I havent seen upmagic play in a while I thought he was still doing fine....
upmagic hwaiting!!!!
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This also means we won't get to see Savior at all this month. =/
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FFFUUUUUUUU just added lux for my FPL team.
Please come back Park Chan!
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Wtf? Upmagic removed? I...I...I don't understand...
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wtf? Luxury July upmagic..?!?!?!?!
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I do not understand why eStro removed upmagic and sangho. Yes, they aren't the greatest players, but they could take a win here and there. They're a-team looks more predictable now; I think their proleague regulars will pretty much be really/action/hyvaa/flying only. Maybe some b-teamer will step it up?
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Why did eStro remove so many players and only add one? There's no advantage to having less players on your roster, is there?
Their A team is so bare bones right now.
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Man Lux and one of my favourite Terrans Upmagic????
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Upmagic and July.
I'm not too surprised with Luxury getting removed because he's been playing really bad for a while but it's still sad. I really liked watching his ZvTs.
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EDIT: I'm retarded ... I've been studying all night. NEVERMIND.
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I'm sad at the loss of UpMagic, July, SangHo and Luxury as much as anyone else, but for eStro I think it could actually turn out to be a good move. Proleague Really is a beast as we all know, and Action has been showing that he deserves more game time especially due to the performances he's handed in when called upon (all killing woongjin, anyone?).
Gosl Flying has shown a lot of potential and clearly, estro may be trying to give him more game time to mould him to become their first-line protoss. Well and hyvaa can take games off anyone so this could be a really solid team if it all works out. That is a very big if, but it is a required move IMO as Upmagic has lost a lot of form as of late and SangHo just isn't what eStro is looking for in a first-line protoss.
eStro fans have more reason to be excited for the round ahead than disappointment, in my opinion.
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United States8476 Posts
kore, i think you're talking about hwasin.
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Luxury's health is poor that's why he's been taken off the roster, he'll be back once he recovers.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
removed: luxury
-_____- Wtffffff luxuryyyyyyyy come back!!!
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or maybe eStro just start SC2 team and Up will be they star 
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Germany2762 Posts
what the heck... sangho and upmagic removed from estros roster?
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wow really surprising removes there...
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Sangho's been on a pretty nasty slump, but Upmagic? There's definitely something we're missing here.
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So trap makes it to A team, same guy who beat Idra 2-1 @ GOM~
I don't understand Estro's changes, like many of you, lets hope that there was good reason for them to get rid of such good players.
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lol both upmagic and sangho removed.things must be pretty bad at estro house.
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this makes me suspect there was a dicipline problem at the estro house and that players were removed as punishment
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estro coaches raged...over something
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artosis tell us what's up with estro!
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
Sigh
July, Sangho, Upmagic removed? :<
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Umm... what the fuck is estro doing?
Upmagic belongs on the a-team lineup considering what else they have.
Imo this has to be a rule violation or some shit. Maybe he was caught smoking pot or some shit.
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On April 08 2010 13:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
I don't understand. Did Upmagic and Sangho get into a fight with the couch or something? Was July eating too much?
Probably.
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The PvT god M18M gone? lol.
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Removed = Out of the house or sent to B-team?
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On April 08 2010 20:44 Emon_ wrote:
Removed = Out of the house or sent to B-team?
sent to B-Team.
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STX doesn't have a B team does it?
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lux caos theory is over
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Www-w-w-w--w-w-hat!?!??!?!?!?!? JULY REMOVED!?!?!?!? CMON =((((((((((((((!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit:
On April 08 2010 21:11 Lurgee wrote:
STX doesn't have a B team does it?
it does have a B team, but it doesn't have B team house, so B teamers practice online.
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M18M, Miracle - wtf Khan doesn't want a future??
upmagic, sangho - way to make things easy for other teams, estro coach
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noooo upmagic Q_Q one of my favourite terrans :<
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Dunno why Khan removes M18M just when they could start playing 3 protoss in a match...
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Why remove M18M? I have seen only two matches from this guy, but he played solid both times.
No TurN, no Miracle...Khan is stuck with Stork/Jangbi/FBH/Great for eternity.
Luxury. Ptff, I saw it coming.
Oh man, Upmagic, one of the few players out there who actually make SC entertaining.
Rush got sent into a slump after losing to Nal_ra only once, lolz. Flash, you are next, buddy.
July...Seriously, what? The dude did manage to claw his way into an individual league this season. Is this Trap individual seriously better than July?
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
The least boring demotions since forever. I expected M18M to play a lot now, since race bans are lifted and then they demoted him.
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can I take back my PL team
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Drama bomb has hit.
I thought M18M rocked.
I'll miss you, July.
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wat, I put Upmagic onto my FPL team cuz he looked stoned all the time. I thought that was worth something at least.
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On April 08 2010 13:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
I don't understand. Did Upmagic and Sangho get into a fight with the couch or something? Was July eating too much?
yep, that couch just wasn't fluffy enough...
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Chalk me up with those who can't understand why UpMagic and SangHo are gone -- and can't figure out who eSTRO thinks is going to play for them now.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Yep, eSTRO might be in some serious trouble...
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Upmagic was never very good but his games were always fun to watch. He will be missed.
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I'm so going to miss JulyZerg this proleague season
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ahhh. upmagic
and ryan[shield]
so sad
AND LUXURY?
wtf
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Upmagic getting B team'd is a shame, but I don't really see what people are saying about eSTRO's lineup lacking (any more than usual anyways)
 Really- was dominating a few months back, and is still a really high level terran, although he's been playing atrociously in individual leagues.
 Action- a solid zerg, has been getting a lot of wins (especially ZvZ) lately
hyvaa- He's pretty inconsistent, but he's been putting up some high level wins lately (Flash, Leta)
 Flying- Got some stylish wins in R2 (If I'm not mistaken), although I don't know much about his results as of late
Grape- I like his name
side note: July and Luxury noooooooooo T_T
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Hmmm.... aMeBa got removed.
I've always wondered why he hasn't gotten played more when his only 2 proleague games have been wins. It seems to me that even if he isn't as good in practice, he's earned the opportunity to get played again when he wins his only 2 games he's been sent out to play, especially when his stiffest competition is HyuN.
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Look I love UpMaGiC. He's been one of my favourite players for a long time. I even put him (and kept him) on my FPL team for each of the 2 seasons ive played. But when looking at stats for 5 hours picking my team this time around, he has recently gone from that 49-51% winning player to alot lower. Like it looked like 40%ish... all his mu ratios have dropped.
And SangHo has been equally unspectacular. Neither he nor UpMaGiC even barely played during WL.
Thirdly, who knows how they have been performing (or under performing in practice these last few months as well). Also think about that the other way around - maybe some of these new players have been showing heaps of promise?
Only question I'll agree with, at least to the extent I'm puzzled, is whether this leaves the eSTRO A-team a bit sparse. But time will tell
Sad to see July go I guess he's probably been showing some poor results recently in practice too. Hopefully he comes back like sAviOr has in the past.
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On April 09 2010 05:26 matjlav wrote:Hmmm.... aMeBa got removed. I've always wondered why he hasn't gotten played more when his only 2 proleague games have been wins. It seems to me that even if he isn't as good in practice, he's earned the opportunity to get played again when he wins his only 2 games he's been sent out to play, especially when his stiffest competition is HyuN.
I suspect it's more likely because Coach Ha wants to give the young Revival a chance. Gotta introduce a fresh face to the roster every now and then, so naturally a lower profile veteran will lose his place.
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On April 08 2010 14:07 p4NDemik wrote:Anyone else get the feeling July has already applied to go into ACE or is leaning in that direction but the news hasn't gotten out yet? Why else would they drop him off the A-Team roster now after already keeping him on the roster for almost a year without using him? Really is the team captain now.
My sources tell me he's going to be one of the two new recruits.
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M18M, Miracle...
what the fuck. Beat Flash, off roster?
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I thought July said in an interview he was finally gonna play some proleague games..guess not .
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On April 09 2010 07:08 Megalisk wrote:I thought July said in an interview he was finally gonna play some proleague games..guess not .
maybe he'll be playing them for ACE?
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I thought M18M was pretty decent. They should've B-teamed Juni instead of him...
Furthermore, July is on the B-team, but in an interview about a month ago, from the MST:
Q: You’ve beaten strong players in Proleague [in the past]
A: I definitely want to play more. I talked with my coaches and they told me that I will be playing soon [...]
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112698
Fuck this shit. Fuck STX.
Tushin fighting.
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Canada9720 Posts
i'll really miss upmagic. he may not have been consistant, but he had a great knack for producing memorable games. so many amazing TvZs and TvTs from him, like the hilarious vulture bum rush vs savior in the msl
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They need to add Hyung Joon to MBC's A team.
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On April 09 2010 09:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:I thought M18M was pretty decent. They should've B-teamed Juni instead of him... Furthermore, July is on the B-team, but in an interview about a month ago, from the MST: Q: You’ve beaten strong players in Proleague [in the past] A: I definitely want to play more. I talked with my coaches and they told me that I will be playing soon [...] http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112698Fuck this shit. Fuck STX. Tushin fighting.
Juni's all kill probably saved his ass.
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estro removing upmagic and sangho?
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korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that
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On April 09 2010 11:36 phosphorylation wrote:
korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that
can you elaborate please?
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On April 09 2010 11:36 phosphorylation wrote:
korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that
Match fixing? I hope not...
But these changes, especially in estro are very surprising.
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On April 09 2010 09:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:I thought M18M was pretty decent. They should've B-teamed Juni instead of him... Furthermore, July is on the B-team, but in an interview about a month ago, from the MST: Q: You’ve beaten strong players in Proleague [in the past] A: I definitely want to play more. I talked with my coaches and they told me that I will be playing soon [...] http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112698Fuck this shit. Fuck STX. Tushin fighting.
July said in his interview that he didn't perform that good in the intra-team ranking matches. STX is a team with many talents, and their zerg lineup is pretty good without July. But July is like an iconic figure in STX... maybe he trying to beat noobs in the B-team to regain confidence.
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51507 Posts
I just @ Twittered Artosis, waiting for a response from him.
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On April 09 2010 11:48 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 11:36 phosphorylation wrote:
korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that can you elaborate please?
on starcraft gallery in dcinside (which is THE definitve sc forum in Korea) a lot of people mention that certain players - especially the non-top players who are not paid very much -- are tempted with sizeable sum of cash by the dark hand to purposely lose certain games
this is so taht these fellows can bet on the result of the game with certainty
a recent game that many people point out as a possible fixed match is hwasin vs luxury on proleague this jan
a lot of people seem convinced (and some claim insider progamer knowledge)
so theres certainly a fair chance
some say savior was invoved in this shit back in the day
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A huge part of the BW fan inside me just died. July, oh july
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i'm so sad to see july go, he was really memorable and even still one of my favourite playrers to watch. Heres to wishing he comes back soon with full force, but i'm skeptical... he seems to just be fading away from BW for some unfortunate reason.
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On April 09 2010 16:02 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 11:48 moopie wrote:On April 09 2010 11:36 phosphorylation wrote:
korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that can you elaborate please? on starcraft gallery in dcinside (which is THE definitve sc forum in Korea) a lot of people mention that certain players - especially the non-top players who are not paid very much -- are tempted with sizeable sum of cash by the dark hand to purposely lose certain games this is so taht these fellows can bet on the result of the game with certainty a recent game that many people point out as a possible fixed match is hwasin vs luxury on proleague this jan a lot of people seem convinced (and some claim insider progamer knowledge) so theres certainly a fair chance some say savior was invoved in this shit back in the day
Oh wow, thanks. Didn't know this was being assumed/discussed there.
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I was hoping for a fucking chick when i click this.
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I just watched the aforementioned game, and I wouldn't be surprised if Luxury did throw it. that was some absolutely piss-poor defense.
it's possibly the reason he was removed from the roster. i doubt he's going to be on medical leave for the entire round.
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Upmagic?
Luxury??
Tragic news.
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This is weird... Upmagic, Sangho, Luxury, July? Maybe something's starting to happen in korea, and they get to practice sc2? At least I gotta hope so, that's fucking july wtf is going on
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On April 09 2010 17:27 thopol wrote:
Upmagic?
Luxury??
Tragic news.
Yes please ! Upmagic in KT xD
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What the fuck July? My favorite all-time zerg in the B-team.... =[
Honestly, he would still be a favorite vs almost all protoss imho and he proved his ZvZ is still capable of beating guys like Hyuk
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Idk if the b team demotion of july mattered much, it's not like he showed up at all.
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i just had a dream that hyungjoon was hwata........... dunno why, i guess i was just thinking about those removals from estro too much
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On April 09 2010 00:07 Magic84 wrote:
The least boring demotions since forever.
The understatement of the year, right there.
I sincerely hope the match fixing rumour in this thread is just that.
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On April 09 2010 12:14 GTR wrote:
I just @ Twittered Artosis, waiting for a response from him.
Really looking forward to hearing about this ASAP. Since Wax and Rek's blog posts think many people are stricken with.. interest I guess.
I already feel bad about it.
On April 10 2010 01:49 miseiler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 00:07 Magic84 wrote:
The least boring demotions since forever. The understatement of the year, right there. I sincerely hope the match fixing rumour in this thread is just that.
Don't get your hopes up. The likelihood these are simply rumors and nothing more equals the likelihood that removing your team's captain (and good player) from the roster doesn't suggest foul play.
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M18M is not young but this is the guy once beated Movie and Flash... Doesn't make sense. Stork is getting old, Jangbi is reviving, and Brave is silent... Any other Protoss? I do not what happens on Samsung.
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I heard the photo shoot of sexiest man alive of Elle magazine was too taxing for July so he's taking a break.
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On April 09 2010 16:02 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 11:48 moopie wrote:On April 09 2010 11:36 phosphorylation wrote:
korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that can you elaborate please? on starcraft gallery in dcinside (which is THE definitve sc forum in Korea) a lot of people mention that certain players - especially the non-top players who are not paid very much -- are tempted with sizeable sum of cash by the dark hand to purposely lose certain games this is so taht these fellows can bet on the result of the game with certainty a recent game that many people point out as a possible fixed match is hwasin vs luxury on proleague this jan a lot of people seem convinced (and some claim insider progamer knowledge) so theres certainly a fair chance some say savior was invoved in this shit back in the day
Woa...
But I thought Luxury was paid enough...
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On April 09 2010 16:02 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 11:48 moopie wrote:On April 09 2010 11:36 phosphorylation wrote:
korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that can you elaborate please? on starcraft gallery in dcinside (which is THE definitve sc forum in Korea) a lot of people mention that certain players - especially the non-top players who are not paid very much -- are tempted with sizeable sum of cash by the dark hand to purposely lose certain games this is so taht these fellows can bet on the result of the game with certainty a recent game that many people point out as a possible fixed match is hwasin vs luxury on proleague this jan a lot of people seem convinced (and some claim insider progamer knowledge) so theres certainly a fair chance some say savior was invoved in this shit back in the day
Holy crap. Really? I hope that's not true but I can totally see how it could happen. Some of these kids are paid close to nothing.
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Well, given the illegal starcraft betting incidents.....
I guess we know a lot of who was actually involved here (besides some of the crappier players demoted for sucking).
Upmagic, lux, sangho, etc.
I guess by next month or so with roster changes we will see the rest of the demotions for illegal gambling.
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On April 13 2010 11:58 eshlow wrote:
Well, given the illegal starcraft betting incidents.....
I guess we know a lot of who was actually involved here (besides some of the crappier players demoted for sucking).
Upmagic, lux, sangho, etc.
I guess by next month or so with roster changes we will see the rest of the demotions for illegal gambling.
We dont 'know', we assume. They could have been moved for simply the accusation of throwing games, and after things settle down and get sorted out they may be back. Some could simply have been moved for performing poorly.
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On April 13 2010 12:30 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 11:58 eshlow wrote:
Well, given the illegal starcraft betting incidents.....
I guess we know a lot of who was actually involved here (besides some of the crappier players demoted for sucking).
Upmagic, lux, sangho, etc.
I guess by next month or so with roster changes we will see the rest of the demotions for illegal gambling. We dont 'know', we assume. They could have been moved for simply the accusation of throwing games, and after things settle down and get sorted out they may be back. Some could simply have been moved for performing poorly.
Yes, we don't know but it is very suggestive isn't it. The changes in PL, big changes in proleague rosters. Also, their names were leaked before. Just would seem as a huge coincident. I would love for all this to be just coincident but too be honest it all seems to suspicious.
All I hope that Stork, Jaedong and Bisu weren't really involved in it even though they are also under scrutiny...
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stork needs gold for WOW account, bet he is in on this.
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It has to suck double time for a legitimate player to be removed from the roster right now. You feel useless because you've failed as a player, AND the fans think you betrayed the team and broke the law.
A list of guilty players better be released later on, if only to definitively clear the names of the innocent (same with the affected matches).
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On April 13 2010 14:38 okum wrote:
It has to suck double time for a legitimate player to be removed from the roster right now. You feel useless because you've failed as a player, AND the fans think you betrayed the team and broke the law.
All the more reasons to not to jump to conclusions based on rosters and word of mouth.
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On April 13 2010 14:38 okum wrote:
It has to suck double time for a legitimate player to be removed from the roster right now. You feel useless because you've failed as a player, AND the fans think you betrayed the team and broke the law.
poor Tushin
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On April 09 2010 16:02 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 11:48 moopie wrote:On April 09 2010 11:36 phosphorylation wrote:
korean netizens are raising the suspicion of match fixing in some of SC matches
and the removal of some of these players is due to that can you elaborate please? on starcraft gallery in dcinside (which is THE definitve sc forum in Korea) a lot of people mention that certain players - especially the non-top players who are not paid very much -- are tempted with sizeable sum of cash by the dark hand to purposely lose certain games this is so taht these fellows can bet on the result of the game with certainty a recent game that many people point out as a possible fixed match is hwasin vs luxury on proleague this jan a lot of people seem convinced (and some claim insider progamer knowledge) so theres certainly a fair chance some say savior was invoved in this shit back in the day
the starcraft gallery is practically 4chan, oceans of shit and a few pearls here and there
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