NC..Yellow: I’ve watched Flash for a long time now, and I know how good he is and how hard he works. I think he will win 3-1. Jaedong and Flash are both awesome players, at #1 and #2 in the rankings, but I think Flash has some great momentum right now. Winning the OSL has taken his momentum to a new level, and I don’t think he can lose with that kind of momentum going.
Much: I predict that Flash will win. The maps are too good for Terran, and Flash has all the momentum going for him right now with the OSL win. I think he will go 3-1 and go on to win the MSL.
Ruby: I predict Flash will win 3-1. That’s what I think anyway. He has so much momentum going following his OSL win. I can’t say I respect Flash based on personal experience (laughs), but watching his games make my jaw drop. Even though his opponent is Jaedong, I think Flash will win and take both leagues.
Kwanro: I predict that Flash will win. I’ve practiced ZvT on the MBCGame maps from the round of 16, and had a lot of matches versus Terran players, and I’m telling you, it’s a damn miracle I didn’t break my keyboard during practice (laughs). It’s just that hard to play ZvT on those maps. Flash has all the momentum going right now, so Jaedong is going to have to put in an incredible effort to overcome Flash. I think Flash will win 3-1, and if Jaedong wins, he’ll barely pull it out at 3-2.
Zero: I agree with Kwanro, Flash is going to win. The maps are too good for terran. Still, it’s Jaedong so I think this series will be very fierce with Flash winning 3-2. Maybe it’s because I’m a Zerg player, but I’m looking forward to seeing what Jaedong play will be like, and I’m just wondering how two of the best players in the world will play a multi-game series, even discounting the result.
UpMagic: I think Flash will win. Jaedong had great momentum when he won two OSLs in a row, but Flash has something even more awesome going on right now. Regardless of the result, it’s going to be a great series, so even as another pro, I’m looking forward to seeing these games. I think there are going to be some really great games.
Really: Flash is probably going to beat Jaedong. If you look at Flash play lately, he’s playing at peak level. He has great management against all three races, and he also has razor sharp timing. It will be hard for him to lose. And he has the momentum of an OSL victory behind him, so I think he has the overall advantage.
Calm: I think Flash will win 3-1. The maps suck, and he has the momentum from OSL.
Leta: Flash will win 3-1 I guess? Jaedong is good at preparing an overall strategy for multi-game series, but Flash has been so good at coming up with a winning game plan as of late. I think it’s gonna be tough for Jaedong.
Go.go: I think Flash will ride the momentum of his OSL win and take this one 3-1. He has such a strong aura around him these days, and he’s just too good. Jaedong is great, but Flash is going to win anyway.
Skyhigh: I predict that Flash will win. He won his second OSL just recently, and his play has been simply insane, as we could see in his TvT and TvZ streaks. I think it will be 3-2.
Effort: Flash will win. If you consider his OSL win not long ago, and the explosive gameplay he’s showing us these days, he has incredible momentum going. Of course, Jaedong is a strong player, but you can’t ignore Flash’s momentum. But then again, you never know for sure with these things. I’m going to cautiously predict a 3-2 win for Flash.
Odin: Well, even though I’m friends with Jaedong, I still think this one favors Flash. In their OSL quarter-final matchup, Jaedong lost because his style had been exposed to Flash. If Jaedong doesn’t prepare really well, Flash is going to win again. I think the score will be 3-2. Jaedong has a good “force” (momentum), but Flash is simply too good, and he won the OSL lately. Also, I think there’s some racial imbalance too, so Flash is probably going to win.
FireBatHero: It’s a really hard question. But I think because of the momentum, Flash is going to win. Game one is going to be the key, and if Jaedong managesto win it there’s going to be some very fierce fighting down the line. But if Flash wins, I think it could end rather easily. Flash has incredible momentum and force these days, so I think he will win.
Sea: I think the games will be really fun. Overall, Flash has the advantage. Terran has an advantage over Zerg, and Flash has incredible momentum from his OSL win. I think if they had played just a little while before, Jaedong would have had the advantage, but it’s different now. Also, the maps are nice for Terran, so I predict a win for Flash.
Mind: I think both players have even momentum going into this, 5:5. While Flash won the OSL, I think Jaedong has equivalent momentum going. The games aren’t going to end easily, and you can expect some really tough battles. But in general, the maps favor Terran. I think that will be the key variable, and I think Flash will take the winner’s trophy home because of that. Overall, I think Flash will win.
Free: Personally, I’d like it if Jaedong won. So many Zergs have collapsed when faced with Flash, and Jaedong was amongst them, but I think if Jaedong gets chance to show his true skill it’s not beyond him to win. Game 1 is the key. If Flash wins game 1, then it will be rough for Jaedong, but if Jaedong wins I think he will be the eventual champion. I just want to believe in Jaedong. Because he’s so damn good!
Shine: Hmm… I think Jaedong has the advantage. Flash has great momentum from winning the OSL, but I think Jaedong is right up there with him. I think he’s recovered his past momentum with his recent ZvP streak, he’s still the #1 ranked player, and I don’t think his skill has dropped off. Also, I think Jaedong has a better schedule, so he will be able to practice more. I think if you combine the factors, I think he should have the advantage against Flash.
Hwasin: No matter how much momentum Flash has, his opponent is still Jaedong which means will always be hard. I think Jaedong will win 3-2.
Canata: I think match point is actually pretty good for Zerg, so I predict a 3-2 victory for Jaedong. Both guys are the best in the world right now, so I hope there will be some fun games. The only person who can stop Flash right now is Jaedong, and it would be no fun if Jaedong let Flash take both leagues.
Best: I think Jaedong will win as well. 3-1 or so? I think Jaedong will lose game 2 on ultimatum, but he will take games 1, 3, and 4 to win. Flash has incredible force after his OSL win, but I think this is going to inspire Jaedong to prepare even better.
Fantasy: I think Jaedong will win 3-2. I also think Match Point is really good for Zerg, which I know from practicing with my teammates. If Flash is aggressive early, I think he can win 3-0 or 3-1, but if it goes to game five, I think Jaedong will win.
Iris: I think Jaedong will win. Both are definitely great players, and I think it will be a close fight that will be difficult to predict. However, I have a strange feeling the Jaedong is going to beat Flash and win. I think it will be a close 3-2 for Jaedong.
Hyun: I think Jaedong will win. If you look at their record excluding their recent OSL meeting, Jaedong is ahead vs Flash. I think if they get the same amount of time to practice, Jaedong will have the advantage. I’ve always had a lot of respect for Jaedong, so I think it will be tough for Flash to win. Jaedong has faired better in multi-game series, so I think he will win 3-1 or 3-0.
Light: I think Jaedong will win. He has so much experience in multi-game series, so he will win even if it is difficult. At best, he could win 3-1, and he could win 3-2 as well. Flash has been doing great lately, but I don’t think Jaedong is lacking in any way against him. Jaedong will win.
Roro: I really don’t know who’s gonna win. They both have a great shot, so I think it’s half and half. I’m really going to enjoy watching this final, as a spectator and not pro. Instead of the results, I’m more interested in a duel between two of the best. I think we will see some unprecedented great games.
Kal: I think they both have a 50% chance to win. Honestly they’re both so good, so I can’t tell who’s going to win. If I had to say one of them had a tiny advantage, I’d say maybe Flash, but I’d like it if Jaedong won.
Yarnc: Flash has got momentum, but he’s still facing Jaedong for god’s sake. If it goes to game five, then I really don’t know. In the case that Flash wins, he will probably go 3-0 or 3-1, and if Jaedong wins the score will probably be 3-2. Match Point is good for Terran, but I think Flash has shown some weakness on that map.
Jangbi: They’re both incredibly skilled, so I think it’s dead even. It will all come down to the maps. I haven’t seen all the MSL maps, but I think it’s better for Zerg overall. I think Flash is in a good position to win. But Jaedong is not your average progamer, so you can never tell how the games will go. Whoever wins, I doubt the score will be 3-0. I think it will end up being 3-1.
▶ Commentator Lee Seung Won (from MBCGame) - Perfect setting for a 3:0 Flash victory.
This finals is very exciting for me because I always wondered when will I ever see these two play in a finals. The sheer thought of the top two players in the KeSPA ranking fighting it out was a mere dream, but now it's reality. And furthermore, I will be personally doing commentary, so I am preparing a lot for it, and I am hugely looking forward to it as well.
I predict Flash to win. Flash is unstoppable right now, and maps are helping him out even further. Match Point is being played twice, and I simply think Flash won't lose at all. I think the key map will be Ultimatum, played in the second set. However, I predict Flash will eventually emerge as the winner, 3:0 or at most, 3:1. Flash has a very high chance of taking this MSL, but should it get to the final set, Jaedong may have a chance. That is because Jaedong's mental strength and concentration grows exponentially as the series progresses, and his management ability is simply amazing. He's not called the "Master of LWWW" for nothing.
▶ Commentator Um Jae Kyung (from OGN) - Even the mighty Jaedong will have a hard time, because it's Flash he's facing.
I said this in a OGN show earlier and I'll say it again, but the most possibly exciting finals at the moment would be Jaedong vs Flash. This is because two of the leaders in the modern age - the "Taek-Bang-Lee-Ssang"'s Flash and Jaedong - are at their peak at the moment.
I predict a 3:1 victory for Flash. If it's Jaedong, he will be able to overcome any sort of map imbalance (TL note: Arena MSL lol), but still, it's Flash he's facing so it will be extremely tough.
Flash is on fire lately. But, if Flash has let down his guard even the slightest bit after his OSL victory, he may lose to Jaedong. That's how strong Jaedong is. Conversely, if Flash still hasn't lost his focus, he will be able to ride on the map imbalance and his current momentum to victory.
With the biggest Final of this Era, many esports fans have been asking the same question
"What is Kim Carry's Prediction?"
This is Jaedong's 3rd Final in the MSL, while this is Flash's attempt to win both leagues simultaneously. The Ultimate Weapon/Crooked Kid/Cheddar Terran against the Tyrant/The God of Destruction/Village Drum will face off in the MSL finals this saturday on the 23rd 5PM KST.
This is the first sanctioned BO5 of the LeeSsang Rohk, so we asked our fellow OGN commentator "Kim Carry (Kim Tae Hyung)" what his prediction for this match up was.
"First of all I just want to say, whoever wins this series will be so back and forth. I've been casting this game for over 10 years, and I believe Flash and Jaedong are the most perfect players of their respective race to ever emerge in the esports scene. Protoss players are not at this level yet so I believe the true protoss era is not here. However Flash represents what a perfect terran player is while Jaedong represents what a perfect zerg player is."
Kim Carry had the follow to say about Flash "Flash is named the Ultimate Weapon not only because he is what a perfect terran player is suppose to be, but he is so powerful that it seems like there is no definite weakness for Flash."
"Statistics and Data-wise, Flash is obviously much more ahead than Jaedong. Nobody should ever argue about this" said Kim Carry. "However I still believe this series will be taken by Jaedong."
When we asked why he believed this, Kim Carry answered "When Flash knocked Jaedong off the OSL, Jaedong probably practiced this MSL final with killing intent. What Jaedong experienced in the OSL was not failure, but a trigger to what unleashes the Tyrant within"
To wrap it up, "Flash has much better data on these maps and it is obvious the maps are terran favored, however I do believe Jaedong won't have any problem with any of these maps. The games will not be one sided. It will be a rough and disgusting push and pull and eventually Jaedong will be the winner."
So in conclusion: Jaedong is predicted to be the winner
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You can see that MrHoon and Kona have translated Fomos's long interview series with e-sports personalities, with their predictions for the Nate MSL finals between Flash and JD.
A poster on PGR21.com with the id "V" compiled the results so we can see the results very clear.Source
Announcers Flash: Lee Seung Won (main MBCGame announcer), Um Jae Gyung (main OGN announcer) Jaedong: None
Protoss: Flash 2 - 3 Jaedong Flash: Stork, Much Jaedong: Bisu, Free, Best
Amusing points that came to mind: Zerg are the most pessimistic about Jaedong's chances, while Protoss actually favor Jaedong. This is probably because they're the two groups that have been respectively killed the hardest by both players. SKT's two older Bonjwas like Flash, but their four main players think Jaedong will win.
Even with the leadership's shortcomings, I don't think I've ever been as hyped up for a finals as I am for this MSL. It seems like the players agree as well, this is such a rare opportunity and it is hard not to be excited. Not only are two of the best players of all time in a starleague final, they both have been on fire recently (in the short-term, admittedly Flash is ahead here) and there is a great history/storylines leading up to it, with Flash's OSL 2:0 over JD.
I think this only could have been better if the starleague results were reversed (Flash 2:0'd JD in the MSL, and JD had a chance for revenge in the OSL that would net him 3 consecutive golds if he won VS 2 simultaneous titles if Flash won). Not to mention, OGN KNOWS how to throw a damn final
Wow sooo many people say that a) TvZ is imbalanced and B) The maps suck for zerg in ZvT.
You can't do anything about inherent imbalance and I realize its easier said than done but why is it that every year the maps favor a race? Why not just make them equally balanced and if thats too hard, throw in 1 for zerg, 1 for terran, 1 for toss?
Btw seriously, look at all the ppl that say tvz imbalance XD
I hope that JD would be able to surprise everyone and rape Flash, cause i don't like Flash. Maybe JD will pull out his sleeve something we have never seen, but that's unlikely - -
On January 21 2010 21:09 MrHoon wrote: damnit kwanro stop bitching about msl maps everyone knows already All you've done is bitch about MSL maps every interview since you got bunker rushed
I laughed....anyways i hope JD wins, but i think Flash is going to, cause he is so damn flawless and his timing is perfect. I don't like Flash + Show Spoiler +
Flash is not manly enough to take out Jaedong, so he doesn't deserve to do so damnit
Fantasy: I think Jaedong will win 3-2. I also think Match Point is really good for Zerg, which I know from practicing with my teammates. If Flash is aggressive early, I think he can win 3-0 or 3-1, but if it goes to game five, I think Jaedong will win.
LOL
Kal: I think they both have a 50% chance to win. Honestly they’re both so good, so I can’t tell who’s going to win. If I had to say one of them had a tiny advantage, I’d say maybe Flash, but I’d like it if Jaedong won.
obviously so he can say that he lost to the winner (and because of the whole screen incident)
On January 21 2010 23:51 Oystein wrote: Interesting to see how both the SKT Terrans think Match Point favors Zerg. While every Zerg seem to think the map pool utterly blows for Zerg.
Kinda sad that Kim Carry has ruined this final with his Nostradamus like predictions.
On January 22 2010 00:05 GGQ wrote: I noticed that Bisu is listed under the people who favour JD to win, but his comment isn't translated. Did he not make one?
edit- also, 'momentum' much?
Check the other threads. Bisu/Stork gave their own opinions in a separate article since they're part of the exclusive TaekBangLeeSsang club.
On January 22 2010 01:00 iSiN wrote: Jaedong will win this. He always goes absolutely nuts in revenge matches. He never loses 2 BoX in a row to the same person.
The irony here is you're wrong -- there's only one person who's defeated Jaedong in back to back BoXs.
Flash.
Lost back to back Bo3s in GSI and Bacchus.
If, for some reason, you don't want to count Gom, then they haven't had a BoX since Bacchus (as that would disclude the 3-0 massacre at GSL 1) and that means Flash has won the last 2 BoXs in Bacchus 08 and Ever 09/10. =)
The only way you could stipulate that Flash hasn't beaten Jaedong back to back in BoXs is to not include GSI but include GSL 1 which is kind of silly. :x
Goooooooooooo Flash. Prove that LeeSangRok isn't divided between Bo5 and Bo3s.
I think T1 guys picking Jaedong isn't hate as much as it is just group-think. They're a bunch of guys stuck in a house and they probably already discussed the finals among themselves. The predictions just reflect the consensus they all came to.
On January 22 2010 02:33 Slow Motion wrote: I think T1 guys picking Jaedong isn't hate as much as it is just group-think. They're a bunch of guys stuck in a house and they probably already discussed the finals among themselves. The predictions just reflect the consensus they all came to.
Kinda funny that they all picked him considering T1 is probably the best team at sniping Jaedong with seemingly lesser players using ingenious builds against him.
Jaedong will have to overcome the T>Z factor, the maps being favorable for T, Flash having the momentum of just winning the OSL, and the fact no Zerg looks close to his level.
Oh, and before people say Flash has a more busy schedule, his last few games have all been against high level zergs. If anything, such intense games against zerg only help him.
However, if anyone can do such a thing, it would be Jaedong. I'd imagine he likes the underdog role.
Haha, I didn't see the headings at first. As I was reading through the first batch I was like "wow, not even one is indecisive or picking Jaedong lol." If I had to pick; I'd probably go Flash. He is playing like a monster right now. Jaedong is playing pretty well, but I don't think he's quite at the top of his game right now.
On January 22 2010 03:07 On_Slaught wrote: Lol at calms comment.
Jaedong will have to overcome the T>Z factor, the maps being favorable for T, Flash having the momentum of just winning the OSL, and the fact no Zerg looks close to his level.
Oh, and before people say Flash has a more busy schedule, his last few games have all been against high level zergs. If anything, such intense games against zerg only help him.
However, if anyone can do such a thing, it would be Jaedong. I'd imagine he likes the underdog role.
Yeah, its crazy how much respect progamers have for Jaedong.
Flash is a monster atm, has T>Z and map help. Add the OSL win and against anyone not named Jaedong people would predict rape. But most are saying it will be close and some even predict Jaedong winning.
On January 22 2010 02:33 Slow Motion wrote: I think T1 guys picking Jaedong isn't hate as much as it is just group-think. They're a bunch of guys stuck in a house and they probably already discussed the finals among themselves. The predictions just reflect the consensus they all came to.
On January 22 2010 03:24 Chen wrote: Just curious, can someone explain the Carrier curse? like how bad is it? is the guy worse than Konadora?
Oh he's terrible. I think he's like 3 for 20 or 30 something. I think nowadays he just does it on purpose though. Which is why I'm pissed he picked JD.
And on side notes, those cop outs, Kal, Jangbi, Yarnc. I rofl at you guys.
I'm sure no one cares, but I'm actually going to predict Jaedong (though I desperately want Flash to win.) Why? He is the undisputed king of revenge and has never been held down by any one single player for long. If anyone can trump the Kim Carry(Carrier?) curse it's the Legend Killer. He has also (I have to admit) shown a very slight edge against Flash (though they have eliminated each other back and forth from leagues for years now.) This is such a dynamic rivalry that I'm actually gonna spend some time today watching a lot of their greatest matches/series. Getting so hyped for this!
Edit: I will be more than happy to have my prediction proven wrong ^^
Apparently Flash has Effort, who is very good at ZvT. Hopefully, Jaedong isn't relying on his teammates (hiya and lomo) for pratice, or this won't end well. However, it's very hard to find someone who can effectively mimic flash's playstyle and skill. Maybe Leta? Hwasin? Really? (if just looking at mechanics and/or TvZ)
So both Odin and Sea mentions a racial imbalance in TvZ. However I think both Jaedong and Flash stand above racial imbalances pretty much; Flash can dominate protoss in OSL finals and Jaedong owns terrans.
If games are longer, I predict Jaedong will win, because late game ZvT can be brutal for terran with swarms, ultras and what not. Both players are looking super strong atm, it's gonna be a great finals.
On January 22 2010 04:28 Foucault wrote: Very cool, thanks!
So both Odin and Sea mentions a racial imbalance in TvZ. However I think both Jaedong and Flash stand above racial imbalances pretty much; Flash can dominate protoss in OSL finals and Jaedong owns terrans.
If games are longer, I predict Jaedong will win, because late game ZvT can be brutal for terran with swarms, ultras and what not. Both players are looking super strong atm, it's gonna be a great finals.
I disagree on your first point.
I think it's actually the opposite. When both players have basically perfected their races, the racial imbalace becomes even more important since you're seeing the best both have to offer and it becomes a question of which units soft-counter the other sides in the best and most efficient way (clearly giving T the edge in the MU). Look at what JD is doing to the S-class protoss .
Flash is obviously the favorite, but seeing how most of the people inside the progaming world are rooting for Flash, this might make JD furious and turn the tables.
On January 22 2010 04:28 Foucault wrote: it's gonna be a great finals.
...Depending on your definition of "great". Don't get your hopes up TOO high, because Flash vs Jaedong are known for their short and painful games even more than their long and epic ones. I'm guessing that at least two games will be <10 minutes, but also at least one will be long and awesome >20 minutes.
"Legend Killer"... if you think about it, there's no better player to stop Flash from winning two leagues in one season. Well, I don't know if he'll be able to do it or not, though...
This is probably the first time in very long time where I feel Jaedong is a heavy underdog going into a match. I'd say his chances of winning are ~20%, even less now that Kim Carrier predicted him to win >.< Flash is just too hot right now, but I'm still gonna cheer for JD all the way.
On January 22 2010 04:38 deconduo wrote: This is probably the first time in very long time where I feel Jaedong is a heavy underdog going into a match. I'd say his chances of winning are ~20%, even less now that Kim Carrier predicted him to win >.< Flash is just too hot right now, but I'm still gonna cheer for JD all the way.
On January 22 2010 04:38 deconduo wrote: This is probably the first time in very long time where I feel Jaedong is a heavy underdog going into a match. I'd say his chances of winning are ~20%, even less now that Kim Carrier predicted him to win >.< Flash is just too hot right now, but I'm still gonna cheer for JD all the way.
OH common have to have more faith in the dong ^^.
I really really want to, but honestly if I had money on the line, there's no way I'd put it on Jaedong. After the last few ZvTs he has played, especially the 0-2 against Flash I just don't see him pulling this one out of the bag. Flash is just at a much higher level than anyone else right now.
On January 22 2010 03:24 Chen wrote: Just curious, can someone explain the Carrier curse? like how bad is it? is the guy worse than Konadora?
Oh he's terrible. I think he's like 3 for 20 or 30 something. I think nowadays he just does it on purpose though. Which is why I'm pissed he picked JD.
And on side notes, those cop outs, Kal, Jangbi, Yarnc. I rofl at you guys.
Actually, Kim Carry is 1 for 34, only Stork managing to beat his curse. edit: + Show Spoiler +
that's right, not Boxer, not Nada, not Reach, not Savior
On January 22 2010 03:24 Chen wrote: Just curious, can someone explain the Carrier curse? like how bad is it? is the guy worse than Konadora?
Oh he's terrible. I think he's like 3 for 20 or 30 something. I think nowadays he just does it on purpose though. Which is why I'm pissed he picked JD.
And on side notes, those cop outs, Kal, Jangbi, Yarnc. I rofl at you guys.
Actually, Kim Carry is 1 for 34, only Stork managing to beat his curse. edit: + Show Spoiler +
that's right, not Boxer, not oov, not Reach, not Jaedong
On January 22 2010 04:28 Foucault wrote: Very cool, thanks!
So both Odin and Sea mentions a racial imbalance in TvZ. However I think both Jaedong and Flash stand above racial imbalances pretty much; Flash can dominate protoss in OSL finals and Jaedong owns terrans.
If games are longer, I predict Jaedong will win, because late game ZvT can be brutal for terran with swarms, ultras and what not. Both players are looking super strong atm, it's gonna be a great finals.
I disagree on your first point.
I think it's actually the opposite. When both players have basically perfected their races, the racial imbalace becomes even more important since you're seeing the best both have to offer and it becomes a question of which units soft-counter the other sides in the best and most efficient way (clearly giving T the edge in the MU). Look at what JD is doing to the S-class protoss .
Good point. I think I actually agree with you after some thinking on the matter. The really good players have learned how to "exploit" the racial imbalances, ie. Jaedong vs any protoss.
I like how everyone says the MSL maps are T > Z, except for Jangbi, who somehow thinks they're better for Zerg overall (how would you know, you play Protoss?) and SKT1 Terrans (really? you have decent Zergs to practice against to base this on?)
I was worried when Kim Carry started talking about how good Flash is, but he predicted Jaedong in the end so I was relieved.
On January 22 2010 07:28 Hinanawi wrote: I like how everyone says the MSL maps are T > Z, except for Jangbi, who somehow thinks they're better for Zerg overall (how would you know, you play Protoss?) and SKT1 Terrans (really? you have decent Zergs to practice against to base this on?)
I was worried when Kim Carry started talking about how good Flash is, but he predicted Jaedong in the end so I was relieved.
They're calling out one map out of the four good for Zerg >.> that means we can infer that they agree that the map pool as a whole favors Terran.
On January 22 2010 07:28 Hinanawi wrote: I like how everyone says the MSL maps are T > Z, except for Jangbi, who somehow thinks they're better for Zerg overall (how would you know, you play Protoss?) and SKT1 Terrans (really? you have decent Zergs to practice against to base this on?)
I was worried when Kim Carry started talking about how good Flash is, but he predicted Jaedong in the end so I was relieved.
They're calling out one map out of the four good for Zerg >.> that means we can infer that they agree that the map pool as a whole favors Terran.
They’re both incredibly skilled, so I think it’s dead even. It will all come down to the maps. I haven’t seen all the MSL maps, but I think it’s better for Zerg overall.
I think Jangbi is mixing up TvZ and ZvP. Actually, remember everyone was saying how the MSL maps were extremely Protoss favored in the pregame interviews about Flash vs BeSt? Seems like the MSL map pool loves expanding the natural T > Z and P > T imbas even further. Anything to stop Swarm Season, I guess?
It's not yet time for Jaedong to lose another bo5.
I think a lot of the time the community as a whole is too partial to the streakier player, and that this is one of those occasions. Jaedong with real practice time for a bo5 is something to be feared. I still think Flash is the second best player right now, but I am open to the possibility that he proves me wrong by finishing the best starleague season possible.
On January 22 2010 11:14 QibingZero wrote: It's not yet time for Jaedong to lose another bo5.
I think a lot of the time the community as a whole is too partial to the streakier player, and that this is one of those occasions. Jaedong with real practice time for a bo5 is something to be feared. I still think Flash is the second best player right now, but I am open to the possibility that he proves me wrong by finishing the best starleague season possible.
He loses a Bo5 every year, and he's not going to face anyone better than Flash this year.
On January 22 2010 11:14 QibingZero wrote: It's not yet time for Jaedong to lose another bo5.
I think a lot of the time the community as a whole is too partial to the streakier player, and that this is one of those occasions. Jaedong with real practice time for a bo5 is something to be feared. I still think Flash is the second best player right now, but I am open to the possibility that he proves me wrong by finishing the best starleague season possible.
Agreed. If Flash 3-0's Jaedong then I will say that he is better then jaedong. But as of right now I still think Jaedongs better that 2-0 in the osl I don't count as it was only 1 standard game.
On January 22 2010 11:08 FireGuyX wrote: Match point is the only map that favors Zerg, but slightly. Fighting Spirit is balanced, Ultimatum favors Terran slightly, and Odd-Eye favors Terran.
i highly disagree with fighting spirit being balanced. Flash wouldnt have thumbed it down if it was.
I predicted Flash to win in the liquibet, but I wasn't very sure. I'm just looking forward to some epic games. Flash had it too easy in OSL, I felt like his winning was a 'fait accumpli' after watching movie try to attack him on a bridge (game 2). He might have well have attacked a wall-in. Rest assured, Jaedong has been showing the same domination in the MSL as Flash has.
It's actually not an easy pick. Just a few months ago, I considered Jaedong to be the unstoppable dominating player. I specifically tried to find games where he lost. Now it's the same thing with Flash (except he's terran so I don't try to find his losses :D).
It's the clash of the titans, none of us mere mortals have anything to say. All we can do is watch.
On January 22 2010 18:47 Elroi wrote: I have the impression that no one of the pros want Flash to win. But alot of them seem to like Jaedong.
they don't want him to win because they are scared that he will be seemingly unstopable which would intimidate them when playing against him, giving him an edge from the start. If JD beats him this will make them feel like they can beat him too because he's human after all.
On January 22 2010 13:45 obesechicken13 wrote: I predicted Flash to win in the liquibet, but I wasn't very sure. I'm just looking forward to some epic games. Flash had it too easy in OSL, I felt like his winning was a 'fait accumpli' after watching movie try to attack him on a bridge (game 2). He might have well have attacked a wall-in. Rest assured, Jaedong has been showing the same domination in the MSL as Flash has.
It's actually not an easy pick. Just a few months ago, I considered Jaedong to be the unstoppable dominating player. I specifically tried to find games where he lost. Now it's the same thing with Flash (except he's terran so I don't try to find his losses :D).
It's the clash of the titans, none of us mere mortals have anything to say. All we can do is watch.
Flash's OSL run included Jaedong and Calm. While Movie was easy -- finalswise -- it was by no means an easy OSL.
I find if funny that usually, if you win first against a player in a Bo5, you have the momentum, but when you win first against jaedong, you shit your pants.
On January 22 2010 18:29 Tekin wrote: Damn man thats crazy mostly everyone said Flash will win the MSL. Poor JD hope he wins against the cheesy flash.
What?
Why does everyone criticize Flash for being cheesy and a turtle. That's just because he actually varies in his gameplay. More for you guys to whine about...
At this point Kim Carrier is trying to keep his "predict incorrectly" streak up on purpose. "Statistics and data-wise Flash is better, but hey, I think Jaedong will win for vague ethereal reasons."
Funny how nearly anyone, regardless of their prediction, says: "Flash has so much momentum and is so unbelievable strong, but hey, it's Jaedong, you know."
Best: I think Jaedong will win as well. 3-1 or so? I think Jaedong will lose game 2 on ultimatum, but he will take games 1, 3, and 4 to win. Flash has incredible force after his OSL win, but I think this is going to inspire Jaedong to prepare even better.
JD should buy best an honorary gold medal for that.It really is a testament to flash's dominance that pretty much the entire community of players, commentators and bonjwas not only predicted flash's win, but a dominating 3-1, 3-0 win.... Despite having the toughest schedule in recent history. Geez.... And it's a real testament to JD that he turned all those predictions upside down. All the zergs were bitching about map imbalance, yet JD looked to be in control throughout the entire series. I don't care that it's tainted but look at his openings, and BOs. He was beating flsh throughout the entire series, and on maps such as these.... against flash at the peak of TvZ skill, riding this tsunami of momentum.....
EPT
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Flash and 
Jaedong are the most perfect players of their respective race to ever emerge in the esports scene. Protoss players are not at this level yet so I believe the true protoss era is not here. However Flash represents what a perfect terran player is while Jaedong represents what a perfect zerg player is."
I can't say I'm terribly surprised by the poll results here. Depressed, perhaps, but not surprised.
