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tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
January 20 2010 17:03 GMT
#121
I'm going to try and avoid exploding in delirious rage. MBC now joins the ranks of evil, evil companies to me. They know how epic these finals would have been. They know how many people would show up, and how much intensity the massive crowd would have brought to the games. They know neither Flash nor Jaedong are affected by playing in front of a massive crowd - they're fucking used to it.

But they decide to throw it away for cheaper production costs and a massive spike in ratings.

That, my friends, is evil.


Those responsible for the financial crisis? They're just greedy fucking pigs. Hitler? He was crazy. This, denying fans of an epic finals event for a spike in a number, is evil.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
January 20 2010 17:07 GMT
#122
On January 21 2010 01:55 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 01:53 Flicky wrote:
On January 20 2010 22:29 Flicky wrote:
This is so ridiculous... 700 fans can go? I was expecting 10,000 people to be queuing around the block to see this =/


In hindsight, just as many people will be on IRC, just as many on vent... this barely affects me at all.

Sucks for the Koreans but I don't really care that much.


then you don't understand anything

You'd better start talking because that's an asshat of a comment.
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
January 20 2010 17:07 GMT
#123
On January 21 2010 02:03 tirentu wrote:
I'm going to try and avoid exploding in delirious rage. MBC now joins the ranks of evil, evil companies to me. They know how epic these finals would have been. They know how many people would show up, and how much intensity the massive crowd would have brought to the games. They know neither Flash nor Jaedong are affected by playing in front of a massive crowd - they're fucking used to it.

But they decide to throw it away for cheaper production costs and a massive spike in ratings.

That, my friends, is evil.


Those responsible for the financial crisis? They're just greedy fucking pigs. Hitler? He was crazy. This, denying fans of an epic finals event for a spike in a number, is evil.


I fully endorse this post and comment. The best comment of this thread yet!
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HeartOfTofu
Profile Joined December 2009
United States308 Posts
January 20 2010 17:13 GMT
#124
On January 21 2010 02:07 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 01:55 Xxio wrote:
On January 21 2010 01:53 Flicky wrote:
On January 20 2010 22:29 Flicky wrote:
This is so ridiculous... 700 fans can go? I was expecting 10,000 people to be queuing around the block to see this =/


In hindsight, just as many people will be on IRC, just as many on vent... this barely affects me at all.

Sucks for the Koreans but I don't really care that much.


then you don't understand anything

You'd better start talking because that's an asshat of a comment.


I would assume he was probably referring to the implications that this decision along with several other recent MBC decisions have on the reputation of the league and the sport as a whole...
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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
January 20 2010 17:16 GMT
#125
It's only Flash vs Jaedong. It's not like those are popular players or anything. Certainly not two players the fanbase has been begging to see play a finals for years now.

And what are we talking about? It's not as if fan interaction is an important part of sports legitimacy, either. Starcraft games are just as exciting without raving commentators or a screaming crowd. You can easily notice this by watching a game such as Yellow vs Bisu on HBR first normally, and then muted. Your emotions will be exactly the same both times!


/signing off as a starcraft fan who only cares so deeply about the Korean SC scene because it makes an amazing game into an amazing spectator sport... usually.
Oh, my eSports
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
January 20 2010 17:23 GMT
#126
WTF is wrong with MBC? There must be another way. And just how profitable is stacraft for MBC anyway?
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 17:25:43
January 20 2010 17:25 GMT
#127
To think this would happen to probably the final with the most people ever attending.
ils
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
January 20 2010 17:26 GMT
#128
give the rights to gom!!!
FTD
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
January 20 2010 17:41 GMT
#129
if i were a korean planning to attend the finals i'd be pissed, but hardly anything will be different for me

there'll be a lot less people in the crowd than there were for Flash vs Movie, but I don't watch to see the people in the crowd, I watch to see the games.
I drop suckas like Plinko
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
January 20 2010 17:53 GMT
#130
Meh, the whole 100% concentration thing is just the lamest excuse they could come up with for not reacting fast enough not just since they knew it would be JD vs Flash, but since a round before when the chances were high.

This is a complete show of incompetence and lack of capacity to plan ahead, or even worse, a demonstration of having given up on their starleague and fans.

I've always tried to defend the MSL as the alternative trying to break thru against the "mainstream money-hogging" OSL, but this is the kind of shit that makes me to stop caring about those fuckers.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 20 2010 18:00 GMT
#131
Unless MBC is purposely trying to destroy the Korean SC1 scene, this is just fucked up.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
January 20 2010 18:01 GMT
#132
Maybe someone needs to remind MBC that this is why OSL>MSL.
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Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
January 20 2010 18:01 GMT
#133
The backlash is strong.
MBC is eating flak.
I hope they revert.
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 20 2010 18:05 GMT
#134
Won't really affect us, but stupid nonetheless.
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
January 20 2010 18:08 GMT
#135
It does affect us in the way that if we watched the super bowl on tv, and it was played in an empty stadium, the atmosphere would be much less epic and exciting. There will be no "roar" from a crowd of thousands when something crazy happens.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 20 2010 18:09 GMT
#136
What in the fucking FUCK. Where was this during Kwanro vs. Calm? It wouldn't have mattered then...
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 18:10:34
January 20 2010 18:09 GMT
#137
On January 21 2010 03:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Won't really affect us, but stupid nonetheless.



Well it will be surely affecting me because I want to watch a live starleague final and not some random "two current best players" event.

What about they just go back tooniverse studios, and as for MBC, what about old GAME-Q office ?
That way they won't have to rent any big place anymore.


wtf ?
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
January 20 2010 18:15 GMT
#138
T.T the moments where the roar of the crowd can be heard are the greatest in starcraft progaming.
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
January 20 2010 18:16 GMT
#139
They had a lot of trouble getting a sponsor, right? This was probably all NATE could afford and was decided at the start of the tournament. You need more than just a couple weeks to put on a show in a stadium, especially if there are budget restrictions. Way way way more work and prep goes in to event production than most of you guys seem to realize.
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
January 20 2010 18:16 GMT
#140
Someone dig up footage from the Chojja MSL finals.

Anybody remember that sad shit?
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